[VS] Kakashi vs Gai

[Bogard]

Okay based Haizaki, i already admitted you were right. I was wrong. So what is your problem now really? Can you now stop polluting the topic with useless insults and concern yourself over the topic at hand?

PS: Please if a mod pass by, can he delete the useless posts? It wasn't the point of this thread for starter and some kid is trying to deviate it for weird reasons

 

[RicardoA]

S1: Didn't Kakashi win low-diff back in the chunin exams?

S2: Can't remember any data that will allow us to judge.

S3: Gai seemed to be a little bit stronger combat wise. Gai, high-diff.

S4: Same as scenario 3. His mastery over the MS at this point was no more than amateurish. That wouldn't be enough to change the outcome of a battle between them.

S5: I can't imagine Kakashi defending himself against Gai, however, during the war they seemed like two sides of the same coin, Gai was more like the powerhouse while Kakashi was more about using a different set of skills.
Also, when Kakashi saw Gai releasing the 8 gates he seemed more impressed than usual like Gai's earlier performances weren't impressive enough. This doesn't mean anything of course, but i still can't decide.
I'll flip a coin on this one.

S6: Kakashi wins this one.

 

[Red Flag X Drake]

Gai solos them all. Get recked!

 

[Bogard]

S1: Didn't Kakashi win low-diff back in the chunin exams?

Yup he did, but i decided to put this scenario just have an idea about the evolution of this rivarly overall since their first battle in the chunin exam, at least from what i imagined it to be

S2: Can't remember any data that will allow us to judge.

In my mind, this Gai couldn't open gates based on Minato or Kakashi's respective assumptions in this manga when Kakashi received the Sharingan, so i'd say Kakashi was still in a dominating phase back then

S3: Gai seemed to be a little bit stronger combat wise. Gai, high-diff.

I agree, especially since this Kakashi was out of shape

S4: Same as scenario 3. His mastery over the MS at this point was no more than amateurish. That wouldn't be enough to change the outcome of a battle between them.

True but remember this Kakashi came back to shape, so he wasn't exactly the same guy as 2 years before

S5: I can't imagine Kakashi defending himself against Gai, however, during the war they seemed like two sides of the same coin, Gai was more like the powerhouse while Kakashi was more about using a different set of skills.
Also, when Kakashi saw Gai releasing the 8 gates he seemed more impressed than usual like his earlier performances weren't impressive enough. This doesn't mean anything of course, but i don't.
I'll flip a coin on this one.

It's how i view it too

S6: Kakashi wins this one.

Agreed

 

[Darkakatsuki]

that's understandable. Given his taijutsu regiment (which was ridiculous even from academy days) he'd show a growth in abilities. But that isn't enough for proof of seventh gate.
Yeah but again. That's not proof of how many gates he can use as seen by lee. Going from 0 to 5 without changing clothing.
it shows that clothing isn't a factor for how many gates he has as explained above.
but not gates.

yeah but that dosen't mean guy can open 7. Guy tought lee and lee's able to recognize techs in gates he himself can't use. Proof of this is him knowing how EE(8th) works and him knowing of Hirudora(7th). But by his own admission the highest hate he can use is 6th. I could care less what Bogard said. My question was very specific. Yeah he can open gates. We saw dai training him for it. is is obviously not true as seen by Lee. Him knowing gates and their techs dosen't mean he himself can do it.


Sure.

Actually, the part 1 flashbacks show that Lee's outfit used to be different before he learned the gates. They showed many flashbacks of him training and one where he challenged Neji and lost, and in all those he wore a different outfit and had a different hairstyle to Gai.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Actually, the part 1 flashbacks show that Lee's outfit used to be different before he learned the gates. They showed many flashbacks of him training and one where he challenged Neji and lost, and in all those he wore a different outfit and had a different hairstyle to Gai.

I already posted the scan proving that wrong.

 

[Touken]

Kakashi wins S1, S2 and S6. Gai wins the other scenarios. Gai should be able to handle S5 with Gates activation causing smoke, stopping Kakashi from Kamui-sniping from the get-go.

 

[Raykyryn]

Kakashi wins S1, S2 and S6. Gai wins the other scenarios. Gai should be able to handle S5 with Gates activation causing smoke, stopping Kakashi from Kamui-sniping from the get-go.

Sharingan can see chakra thus smoke can't hide Gai from Kakashi.

 

[Touken]

Sharingan can see chakra thus smoke can't hide Gai from Kakashi.

I imagine it'll be hard to pinpoint where to snipe when all he's going to see with his Sharingan is a massive construct of chakra as soon as Gai goes into 7G. Not to mention that a mini-shockwave is released when Gai enters the Seventh Gate [

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]; everyone present there had to shield their faces from the debris.

 

[Haizaki]

that's understandable. Given his taijutsu regiment (which was ridiculous even from academy days) he'd show a growth in abilities. But that isn't enough for proof of seventh gate.
Yeah but again. That's not proof of how many gates he can use as seen by lee. Going from 0 to 5 without changing clothing.
it shows that clothing isn't a factor for how many gates he has as explained above.
but not gates.

Yup but clothing isn't my point, I only used clothing showing his style of dressing till his dad died was the same

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but his dad did teach him how to open all 8th so if you agree with me that based on the Nine tails scenario, we can see a change in growth, shouldn't it be clear he could open it at that point although his mastery was not as it was in the future? Unless Gai taught himself.

yeah but that dosen't mean guy can open 7. Guy tought lee and lee's able to recognize techs in gates he himself can't use. Proof of this is him knowing how EE(8th) works and him knowing of Hirudora(7th). But by his own admission the highest hate he can use is 6th. Yeah he can open gates. We saw dai training him for it. is is obviously not true as seen by Lee. Him knowing gates and their techs dosen't mean he himself can do it.

Irrelevant since Gai told Lee and must have seen or experienced the technique before using it. If Dai taught him all the gates before he died, then he should be able to use all after Dai died. Unless we're saying Dai died after Minato did which wasn't portrayed to have happened when you factor in the swordsmen and Gai's growth.

You may be right about him being able to use some but at the same time, he might have been able to use all but was just inexperienced with it.

 

[3rdSwordsmanOfTheMist]

Kakashi will always win against Guy, just to troll him.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Yup but clothing isn't my point, I only used clothing showing his style of dressing till his dad died was the same

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but his dad did teach him how to open all 8th so if you agree with me that based on the Nine tails scenario, we can see a change in growth, shouldn't it be clear he could open it at that point although his mastery was not as it was in the future? Unless Gai taught himself.

you can't teach someone how to open the 8th Gate by opening the 8th gate, and the "1 rule" thing dai speaks of applies to all gates. Not just 8th. Even lee mentions it when going into extreme lotus, and guy tells him about it when teaching him front lotus.

Irrelevant since Gai told Lee and must have seen or experienced the technique before using it.

Guy telling Lee dosen't mean lee can perform it. Guy showing lee dosen't mean lee can perform it. The same applies to giy's relationship with dai. Lee's max gate is 6. But he knows the mechanics behind 8th gate techs and knows of 7 th gate techs.

If Dai taught him all the gates before he died, then he should be able to use all after Dai died. Unless we're saying Dai died after Minato did which wasn't portrayed to have happened when you factor in the swordsmen and Gai's growth.

again. Refer to Lee and Guy. Lee clearly has knowledge of gates he can't use. So guy can know of all 8 without being able to use all 8.

You may be right about him being able to use some but at the same time, he might have been able to use all but was just inexperienced with it.

U have no proof of use of all 8. It's clear that learning the 8 gate dosen't require seeing the 8th gate since the teacher would die afterwards.

 

[Red Slayer]

Location: Konoha

S1: Gaiden Kakashi(no Sharingan) vs Gaiden Gai
S2: Kyubi attack Kakashi vs Kyubi attack Gai
S3: Part1 Kakashi vs part1 Gai(assume he can open 6gates, but the drawbacks are similar to part1 Lee's)
S4: Early Part2 Kakashi vs Early part2 Gai(assume he can open the 7th gate, but the drawbacks are similar to part1 Lee's)
S5: War arc MS Kakashi vs War arc Gai(final gate restricted)
S6: War arc DMS Kakashi vs 8 gated Gai(assume he has no drawbacks)

So how exactly did the rivarly grow with time? Time to find that out. And please don't come with the Gai blitz bs when he is facing someone with arguably better reflexive speed than him. U_U I want to know the general consensus by hearing decent arguments

when u said BOLD u sh1ted on ur thread...

 

[Bogard]

when u said BOLD u sh1ted on ur thread...

Pretty certain Kakashi stomped him already multiple times in close combat

 

[Red Slayer]

Pretty certain Kakashi stomped him already multiple times in close combat

w/o Gates