Kakashi vs darui

[BenjerminGaye]

I am pretty sure they are the same but just wielded with different balance with yin and yang chakra while wielding and designing jutsu. Like I believe the manga and the like sticky lime or whatever are from the same kkg. It's a fusion of earth and fire. Maybe it just depends on how you heat the rock, or which rock you use. Or even weirder maybe it goes based off of the minerals that are in our bodies. So different people may wield the lava style differently.

So you're saying that Mei from kiri, has the same kkg as Kurotsuchi from iwa, who has the same kkg as dodai from kumo? Yeah highly unlikely.

 

[Kiba21890]

So you're saying that Mei from kiri, has the same kkg as Kurotsuchi from iwa, who has the same kkg as dodai from kumo? Yeah highly unlikely.

I'm not saying they're exActly the same yo. I am saying they are all still a mix of earth and fire, regardless of the ratio. That's all I'm getting at.

 

[Apêx1]

You're not getting the point. Despite having inferior range against Zabuza and Hidan he still matched them and beat them. Running lightning on wepons doesn't change anything since they can both do it, which just brings it back to skill in which kakashi is superior based on previous fights.

I got the point, doesn't mean that you can attribute other people's defeats to random people of your choice. Darui is his own person, he isn't Zabuza nor is he Hidan. And no, Darui's sword's range is still a significant factor despite Kakashi having beaten people who have superior range. He is in no way range immune, as range is always a large factor of a fight. Darui's striking speed is faster Ay's v1 striking speed given his hand where behind his head yet reached the same position as Ay's arm who never extended his hand that far backwards [

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]. This isn't even mentioning the fact that Darui can wield his sword with a

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(testimony of strength) and use his other hand to cast black lightning, as it only requires two fingers, I believe.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I got the point, doesn't mean that you can attribute other people's defeats to random people of your choice. Darui is his own person, he isn't Zabuza nor is he Hidan. And no, Darui's sword's range is still a significant factor despite Kakashi having beaten people who have superior range. He is in no way range immune, as range is always a large factor of a fight. Darui's striking speed is faster Ay's v1 striking speed given his hand where behind his head yet reached the same position as Ay's arm who never extended his hand that far backwards [

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]. This isn't even mentioning the fact that Darui can wield his sword with a

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(testimony of strength) and use his other hand to cast black lightning, as it only requires two fingers, I believe.

He's not hidan or zabuza but his range is lower than that of theirs. So range isn't a factor since kakashi's already fought those with superior and came out on top.
No Darui's striking speed isn't superior to ay's.
Kakashi wielded zabuzas executioners blade with one hand which is arguably heavier than Darui's sword so again it goes back to kakashi. Lightning dog and raikiri require 0 seals and only 1 hand.

I'm not saying they're exActly the same yo. I am saying they are all still a mix of earth and fire, regardless of the ratio. That's all I'm getting at.

They're all kkg but their not the same kkg. I can safely say everyone I mentioned is from different clans. And we all know kkg is clan based.

 

[Apêx1]

He's not hidan or zabuza but his range is lower than that of theirs. So range isn't a factor since kakashi's already fought those with superior and came out on top.
No Darui's striking speed isn't superior to ay's.
Kakashi wielded zabuzas executioners blade with one hand which is arguably heavier than Darui's sword so again it goes back to kakashi. Lightning dog and raikiri require 0 seals and only 1 hand.

So? Raikiri can only strike the blade whereas Darui's sword is always in Kakashi's body's proximity. He's at a heavy disadvantage whether you agree or disagree.
I showed you the scan, up to you to deny it or accept it.
And okay.

 

[LuckyMan]

He's not hidan or zabuza but his range is lower than that of theirs. So range isn't a factor since kakashi's already fought those with superior and came out on top.
No Darui's striking speed isn't superior to ay's.
Kakashi wielded zabuzas executioners blade with one hand which is arguably heavier than Darui's sword so again it goes back to kakashi. Lightning dog and raikiri require 0 seals and only 1 hand.

The manga showed they are both on par in movement speed and attack speed (V1 Ay that is). Unless you can prove he isn't as fast as V1 Ay then you must concede that Darui is faster than Kakashi.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

So? Raikiri can only strike the blade whereas Darui's sword is always in Kakashi's body's proximity. He's at a heavy disadvantage whether you agree or disagree.
I showed you the scan, up to you to deny it or accept it.
And okay.

No. He's already shown the ability to use Raikiri in both hands at the same time so he'll have 0 problems parring with one arm and using the other arm to attack. He's not at a disadvantage since he already has ample experience against zabuza (thrice) hidan (once) and the rest of the 7 mist swordsmen.

I deny it since both attacks were blocked. It would make Suigetsu and juugo have a faster movement speed and attack speed than the kumo nin.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The manga showed they are both on par in movement speed and attack speed (V1 Ay that is). Unless you can prove he isn't as fast as V1 Ay then you must concede that Darui is faster than Kakashi.

The manga also showed kakashi to have equal movement speed and attack speed to gate guy. Still putting kakashi above darui. Not to mention the attack got blocked by Suigetsu and juugo making them also faster than ay and darui (striking speed wise) therefore its only logical that kakashi is superior in speed than darui(by your logic that is).

 

[Apêx1]

No. He's already shown the ability to use Raikiri in both hands at the same time so he'll have 0 problems parring with one arm and using the other arm to attack. He's not at a disadvantage since he already has ample experience against zabuza (thrice) hidan (once) and the rest of the 7 mist swordsmen.

I deny it since both attacks were blocked. It would make Suigetsu and juugo have a faster movement speed and attack speed than the kumo nin.

I concede if Kakashi can actually use 2 Raikiri's in a battle, but I'm not too sure.

Being able to parry doesn't mean your striking speed is equivalent. What was shown was shown.

 

[LuckyMan]

The manga also showed kakashi to have equal movement speed and attack speed to gate guy. Still putting kakashi above darui. Not to mention the attack got blocked by Suigetsu and juugo making them also faster than ay and darui (striking speed wise) therefore its only logical that kakashi is superior in speed than darui.

6th Gate Gai has no feats to rank him over V1 Ay, therefore V1 Ay is still faster. Kakashi's attack speed is not equal to 6th gate Gais either because in the scan you are talking about they both left from the same spot but ended up in different areas. Kakashi had thrusted Raikiri at a jinchuriki while Gai had kicked one, punched one, and was already in the air attacking another, so no Kakashis fight speed is not on 6th Gate Gais level.

Them putting their swords up to block their attacks does not mean their attack speeds are equal. Kisame put his sword up to block V2 Bee's Lariat, that does not make them have equal fight speed. All Madara could do was put his guard up to block V1 Ay's punch, that also doesn't mean their fight speeds are equal. If your fight speeds are equal, two combatants should be able to evade the others attacks yet in both of these cases (and several others) they were unable to dodge, only defend.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I concede if Kakashi can actually use 2 Raikiri's in a battle, but I'm not too sure.

Being able to parry doesn't mean your striking speed is equivalent. What was shown was shown.

Kakashi used two raikiri's at the same time to block kakazu's false darkness.

Suigetsu and juugo were able to move into position(movement speed) to block for sasuke and put up a guard(striking/defending speed) all before ay or darui could attack(attacking speed).

6th Gate Gai has no feats to rank him over V1 Ay, therefore V1 Ay is still faster.

Guy was able to blitz(from a farther distance mind you) kisame and asakujaku him before he was even able to formulate a complete thought, where as kisame had enough time to weave handseals against v1 ay and Killer b. Heck even Suigetsu and juugo blocked v1 ay's attacks. Sasuke flat out dodged them.

Kakashi's attack speed is not equal to 6th gate Gais either because in the scan you are talking about they both left from the same spot but ended up in different areas.Kakashi had thrusted Raikiri at a jinchuriki while Gai had kicked one, punched one,

nope they reached at the same time and both got two attacks in (kakashi's being a stab and backhand vs guys punch and kick.

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and was already in the air attacking another, so no Kakashis fight speed is not on 6th Gate Gais level.

A) they both reached and got two attacks in at the same time
B) guy was only in the air cuz one of them can fly kakashi remained on the ground to attack the rest.

Them putting their swords up to block their attacks does not mean their attack speeds are equal.

You're right but the fact of the matter is ay and darui were attacking SASUKE. Suigetsu and juugo aren't in the same location/position as sasuke (juugo being behind ay and Suigetsu being on the balcony with karin) yet both made it there and put there guards up before either ay or darui could strike. So its not just putting up a guard. They moved their entire bodies into a different location to put up a guard for an attack ment for someone else.

Kisame put his sword up to block V2 Bee's Lariat, that does not make them have equal fight speed. All Madara could do was put his guard up to block V1 Ay's punch, that also doesn't mean their fight speeds are equal. If your fight speeds are equal, two combatants should be able to evade the others attacks yet in both of these cases (and several others) they were unable to dodge, only defend.

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