Kakashi/Tobi Eternal Sharingan, & Controlling Akatsuki.

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Need I say... VAGUE SPOILERS?

Since the theory of Tobi's Sharingan being Obito's other eye is growing quite popular, let me throw this one at ya guys... it should throw ya for a loop... maybe...

"...Tobi's and Kakashi's Sharingan techniques are exactly the opposite. Tobi has to touch a person or item to warp someone into his dimension, and Kakashi has only been shown practically destroying things or people from a distance. And here's a thought... what if Tobi's MS is eternal and because its Obito's (It's likely crushed, but anything is possible) other eye, Kakashi's eye is also eternal... has Kakashi ever complained about going blind? He's used his technique A LOT."

Even if Tobi has Obito's other eye, it doesn't mean he's capable of the same technique Kakashi is... usually each Mangekyo eye (left and right) have different abilities... However, if they both share the same techniques, Tobi's mastery is SIGNIFICANTLY higher, obviously. ...but if that's true, why hasn't Tobi bothered to use the technique Kakashi uses? The entire reason I'm bringing this up is the controversy regarding the Gedo Mazo statue, regarding Kamui. Although honestly, it's more likely Tobi reverse summoned it... he did it after he got the 9-tails chakra. Then again... didn't Tobi teleport to a different location before he did that?

You can read my entire babbling about Tobi having the EMS here...

Anyhow, I think we now know how Tobi was able to convince and so easily control Akatsuki (This is the first time we've seen Tobi fight seriously. Up till this point he has underestimated every opponent), even if people didn't buy into his possible lie about being Madara Uchiha... There isn't a single Akatsuki member that could have taken 9-Tails Naruto, Guy, and Kakashi (Bee is kind of sitting back). Guy could have debateably taken the Six-Paths of Pain by himself, IMO. Itachi... maybe because of his Susanoo and amazing genjutsu, but could he have made it seem so easy like Tobi has? Itachi was weakening from sickness, so it could have only been possible at his absolute prime... but then again, Tobi despite all his power kept his promises to Itachi till his death.

There's also evidence, via Konan stating that she has been watching his techniques for some time, meaning that Tobi at one time did fight a lot or at least showed his power against Pain/Nagato.

What do you all think?
 
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What makes you think Tobi and/or Kakshi have EMS?

Tobi created Akatsuki from the Shadows. He has been around since its start so their is no question as to why Konan knew of his abilities. They, Konan and Nagato, also respect Tobi, becuase Tobi manipulated Nagato which Konan followed to her death.
 

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What makes you think Tobi and/or Kakshi have EMS?

Tobi created Akatsuki from the Shadows. He has been around since its start so their is no question as to why Konan knew of his abilities. They, Konan and Nagato, also respect Tobi, becuase Tobi manipulated Nagato which Konan followed to her death.


My reasoning in that thread is why...

Konan debated Tobi on the creation of Akatsuki... Konan argued that it was her friends idea. It did seem to hit her like a brick though when Tobi told her that wasn't the case.
 

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i think your wrong kakashi doesnt have EMS..we've seen who ever does get it , the sharingan eye design changes ..have you not noticed this??

and i never undersetimated tobi's power..it is greatly obvious he hid alot of his power from people in akatsuki ...even though he was the leader..think about him stopping suigetsu's sword with just his arm...

im trying to say that tobi's pissing me off!! he says his a nobody but his freaken strong! why would someone that strong not wanna be noticed but instead uses the name of another famous ninja , madara uchiha??
 

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Need I say... VAGUE SPOILERS?

Since the theory of Tobi's Sharingan being Obito's other eye is growing quite popular, let me throw this one at ya guys... it should throw ya for a loop... maybe...

"...Tobi's and Kakashi's Sharingan techniques are exactly the opposite. Tobi has to touch a person or item to warp someone into his dimension, and Kakashi has only been shown practically destroying things or people from a distance. And here's a thought... what if Tobi's MS is eternal and because its Obito's (It's likely crushed, but anything is possible) other eye, Kakashi's eye is also eternal... has Kakashi ever complained about going blind? He's used his technique A LOT."

Even if Tobi has Obito's other eye, it doesn't mean he's capable of the same technique Kakashi is... usually each Mangekyo eye (left and right) have different abilities... However, if they both share the same techniques, Tobi's mastery is SIGNIFICANTLY higher, obviously. ...but if that's true, why hasn't Tobi bothered to use the technique Kakashi uses? The entire reason I'm bringing this up is the controversy regarding the Gedo Mazo statue, regarding Kamui. Although honestly, it's more likely Tobi reverse summoned it... he did it after he got the 9-tails chakra. Then again... didn't Tobi teleport to a different location before he did that?

You can read my entire babbling about Tobi having the EMS here...

Anyhow, I think we now know how Tobi was able to convince and so easily control Akatsuki (This is the first time we've seen Tobi fight seriously. Up till this point he has underestimated every opponent), even if people didn't buy into his possible lie about being Madara Uchiha... There isn't a single Akatsuki member that could have taken 9-Tails Naruto, Guy, and Kakashi (Bee is kind of sitting back). Guy could have debateably taken the Six-Paths of Pain by himself, IMO. Itachi... maybe because of his Susanoo and amazing genjutsu, but could he have made it seem so easy like Tobi has? Itachi was weakening from sickness, so it could have only been possible at his absolute prime... but then again, Tobi despite all his power kept his promises to Itachi till his death.

There's also evidence, via Konan stating that she has been watching his techniques for some time, meaning that Tobi at one time did fight a lot or at least showed his power against Pain/Nagato.

What do you all think?
Kakashi knows about what happens when overusing MS. Check out the chapter in which Kakashi asks Itachi how far he has fallen which is a reference to how blind he has become.This is the chapter where Itachi uses Tsukuyomi to put Kakashi in the hospital. Each eye is different yes but how it is used is also different. Kakashi is a blind as Sasuke was after Danzo's fight by now, imo. If Tobi is in fact Obito then he uses it defensively while Kakashi uses it offensively. Itachi uses "Ama" offensively while Sasuke can use it both offensively and defensively. It just depends on the users style.
 
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i think your wrong kakashi doesnt have EMS..we've seen who ever does get it , the sharingan eye design changes ..have you not noticed this??

and i never undersetimated tobi's power..it is greatly obvious he hid alot of his power from people in akatsuki ...even though he was the leader..think about him stopping suigetsu's sword with just his arm...

im trying to say that tobi's pissing me off!! he says his a nobody but his freaken strong! why would someone that strong not wanna be noticed but instead uses the name of another famous ninja , madara uchiha??
Well... I know that the design changes, so here's my counterpoint... we've never seen any design previous to Kakashi's MS... what do I mean? Kakashi could have had MS before, and may have never realized it till Tobi achieved EMS, and if Kakashi's eye is twin to Tobi's, Kakashi's eye would also achieve EMS...?

Speaking of Tobi's power... with so much power it is somewhat of a mystery that he didn't just capture all the Kage himself.
 
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