Kakashi or Sasuke: Better Strategist?

[AllHailKurama]

I say Kakashi, pretty easily.

 

[bencoby]

Alot of wanking for kakashi

Kakashi himself admitted that he is useless without the uchiha eye the sharingan

And even with that he still weaker in everything comparing to even hebi sasuke

Dude we are not talking about power levels here. Kakashi trashes Sasuke in terms of strategy and smarts. Just get over it.

 

[Dark Artist]

Stupidest thing I've heard all day. You're even stupider than Shelke, and Shelke isn't even stupid, just a biased troll fanboy.
Power =/= Intelligence. Your power in no way affects how well you can strategize.

Without sharingan kakashi is a fodder with. No
strategy

He admitted himself that he is useless without it

Deal with it kid .. He is just a uchiha wannabe and he was famous because of obito ...

 

[bencoby]

Given that fact that pro-Kakashi lobby hasn't brought out any legit point, this thing is on you people.



Yet I supposed I made all those posts for nothing? I agreed with what I posted earlier.

And what points has Sasuke lobbyists come up with, none what so ever.
Even then Kakashi doesn't need too much case from us to show his strategies trashes Sasukes, right from kid Kakashi to adult Kakashi have shown that Sasuke is still a child compared to himself (Kakashi)

 

[bencoby]

Stupidest thing I've heard all day. You're even stupider than Shelke, and Shelke isn't even stupid, just a biased troll fanboy.
Power =/= Intelligence. Your power in no way affects how well you can strategize.

WTF, couldn't you just make a point without insults?.... Ahhhh light thread. Stop being childish.

 

[shelke]

And what points has Sasuke lobbyists come up with, none what so ever.
Even then Kakashi doesn't need too much case from us to show his strategies trashes Sasukes, right from kid Kakashi to adult Kakashi have shown that Sasuke is still a child compared to himself (Kakashi)

Read my damn posts. What others have come up with means jack to me.

What strategies? Does his strategies trash these:

- Fooling Orochimaru.
- Figuring out Haku all on his own.
- Beating Deidara by staying five steps ahead.
- Beating Izanagi - something which outright shocked Itachi. Read this point? It shocked Itachi that he pulled through.
- Figuring out on the spot strategies to fend off Kabuto. Itachi again was impressed with Sasuke incorporating his knowledge into the battle.
- Figured out a quick strategy against Madara - an infinitely smarter opponent than the dumb as rocks ***** that is Kaguya. Again, Madara was impressed.

Should I go on? Or would this do? So what did Kakashi do that carries the 'ZMOG NO WAY' factor to it? Oh wait, absolutely nothing. So don't ask for proof if you have read the manga - the burden of proof is still on you. Take your blinders off. It might do you people good. But why am I not surprised? People pull shit out of their ass, warping scans to suit themselves and outright deny manga scans when it comes to Sasuke. This is nothing new for me, but amusing none the less.

Oh yeah, bring out any strategy from Kid Kakashi that even comes close to his Orochimaru feat. Even comes close. I give you a month.

 

[bencoby]

Read my damn posts. What others have come up with means jack to me.

What strategies? Does his strategies trash these:

- Fooling Orochimaru.
- Figuring out Haku all on his own.
- Beating Deidara by staying five steps ahead.
- Beating Izanagi - something which outright shocked Itachi. Read this point? It shocked Itachi that he pulled through.
- Figuring out on the spot strategies to fend off Kabuto. Itachi again was impressed with Sasuke incorporating his knowledge into the battle.
- Figured out a quick strategy against Madara - an infinitely smarter opponent than the dumb as rocks ***** that is Kaguya. Again, Madara was impressed.

Should I go on? Or would this do? So what did Kakashi do that carries the 'ZMOG NO WAY' factor to it? Oh wait, absolutely nothing. So don't ask for proof if you have read the manga - the burden of proof is still on you. Take your blinders off. It might do you people good. But why am I not surprised? People pull shit out of their ass, warping scans to suit themselves and outright deny manga scans when it comes to Sasuke. This is nothing new for me, but amusing none the less.

Oh yeah, bring out any strategy from Kid Kakashi that even comes close to his Orochimaru feat. Even comes close. I give you a month.

(1) Why, what others have posted are also prof you asked for so what good is it ignoring them?

(2) Most of the fights you put out there was all thanks to his abilities / powers. Take away that and he couldn't come up with any strategy to win.

(3) Kakashi has been in battles as a kid and beating Jonin levels. Or is it because Kishi didn't show his fights so he couldn't come up with strategies that trashes Sasukes.

(4)What burden of proof?, Kakashis showings in the manga, is more than enough that I did not even need to pull them out. Also I speak objectivity so I am not blinded at all.

(5) Again irrelevant, he used his sharingan against Oro. Take away that and he would be helpless. Give Kakashi sharingan in that same situation and he would stomp Oro.

Kakashi just acquired DSM from Obito and he immediately started using PS, so give Kakashi too a sharingan in all of Sasukes fights and he would even do better than Sasuke.

 

[shelke]

(1) Why, what others have posted are also prof you asked for so what good is it ignoring them?

(2) Most of the fights you put out there was all thanks to his abilities / powers. Take away that and he couldn't come up with any strategy to win.

(3) Kakashi has been in battles as a kid and beating Jonin levels. Or is it because Kishi didn't show his fights so he couldn't come up with strategies that trashes Sasukes.

(4)What burden of proof?, Kakashis showings in the manga, is more than enough that I did not even need to pull them out. Also I speak objectivity so I am not blinded at all.

(5) Again irrelevant, he used his sharingan against Oro. Take away that and he would be helpless. Give Kakashi sharingan in that same situation and he would stomp Oro.

Kakashi just acquired DSM from Obito and he immediately started using PS, so give Kakashi too a sharingan in all of Sasukes fights and he would even do better than Sasuke.

- What relevant things have others posted which I have overlooked?

- And you pretend that Kakashi never used Sharingan. In fact, he has abused it far more than Sasuke. If copying 1000 Jutsus tells you nothing, then I suppose this whole thing is pointless. Also, it's the oldest excuse in the book. Everyone makes strategies according to their ability. Sasuke was at 2 T when he fought Orochimaru. Let's not forget that.

- And I gave you two examples from his childhood alone. Some nameless fodder Jounins mean nothing to me in front of a Hokage candidate and the smartest individual in the manga or Haku, who was Jounin class and a rare Shinobi according to Zabuza. This is again, another excuse, simply to discredit Sasuke and blatantly denying his accomplishments against Haku and Orochimaru.

- Nothing but your word. But guess what? Sasuke has plentiful as well, and better exhibitions. Let I see you still making excuses.

- He used his Sharingan for what? Orochimaru didn't know he was using Sharingan? He was still impressed. Now you are just being ridiculous. Orochimaru was fooled. Sasuke was only 12. That's manga evidence. Get over it.

Kakashi was possessed by Obito. I suggest you reread those chapters again. He hasn't done better in any fights. But you are welcome to bring out the evidence.

 

[Migster257]

Read my damn posts. What others have come up with means jack to me.

What strategies? Does his strategies trash these:

- Fooling Orochimaru.
- Figuring out Haku all on his own.
- Beating Deidara by staying five steps ahead.
- Beating Izanagi - something which outright shocked Itachi. Read this point? It shocked Itachi that he pulled through.
- Figuring out on the spot strategies to fend off Kabuto. Itachi again was impressed with Sasuke incorporating his knowledge into the battle.
- Figured out a quick strategy against Madara - an infinitely smarter opponent than the dumb as rocks ***** that is Kaguya. Again, Madara was impressed.

Should I go on? Or would this do? So what did Kakashi do that carries the 'ZMOG NO WAY' factor to it? Oh wait, absolutely nothing. So don't ask for proof if you have read the manga - the burden of proof is still on you. Take your blinders off. It might do you people good. But why am I not surprised? People pull shit out of their ass, warping scans to suit themselves and outright deny manga scans when it comes to Sasuke. This is nothing new for me, but amusing none the less.

Oh yeah, bring out any strategy from Kid Kakashi that even comes close to his Orochimaru feat. Even comes close. I give you a month.

-He did not figure out Haku all on his own. It wasn't even a 1v1
-Beating Deidara, one of the stupidest, and cockiest Akatsuki members. Wow, what a shocker.
- It shocked Itachi that Sasuke pulled through =/= Itachi wouldn't be able to do the same. That's like saying I'm shocked a mentally disabled person can do this math equation.
- Itachi was beside him also making strategies. Not sure what your point is. Kakashi also has on-the-spot strategies, so Sasuke isn't exactly special. Hell, even Naruto has on-the-spot strategies.
- That dumb Kaguya you speak of negged Sasuke's instant teleportation.

Kid Kakashi has almost no canon backstory on him. How is that fair? Why are you even comparing the past with the present?

WTF, couldn't you just make a point without insults?.... Ahhhh light thread. Stop being childish.

What's wrong with being childish? NB seems to made up of children. Just join the party.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Who's plan worked on deva path?
Who's plan worked on obito?
Who's plan worked on kaguya tho?

Who's godly plan got respect from a god?

Sasuke can take a seat. It's kakashi 101.

Hmm. Interesting.

 

[bencoby]

- What relevant things have others posted which I have overlooked?

- And you pretend that Kakashi never used Sharingan. In fact, he has abused it far more than Sasuke. If copying 1000 Jutsus tells you nothing, then I suppose this whole thing is pointless. Also, it's the oldest excuse in the book. Everyone makes strategies according to their ability. Sasuke was at 2 T when he fought Orochimaru. Let's not forget that.

- And I gave you two examples from his childhood alone. Some nameless fodder Jounins mean nothing to me in front of a Hokage candidate and the smartest individual in the manga or Haku, who was Jounin class and a rare Shinobi according to Zabuza. This is again, another excuse, simply to discredit Sasuke and blatantly denying his accomplishments against Haku and Orochimaru.

- Nothing but your word. But guess what? Sasuke has plentiful as well, and better exhibitions. Let I see you still making excuses.

- He used his Sharingan for what? Orochimaru didn't know he was using Sharingan? He was still impressed. Now you are just being ridiculous. Orochimaru was fooled. Sasuke was only 12. That's manga evidence. Get over it.

Kakashi was possessed by Obito. I suggest you reread those chapters again. He hasn't done better in any fights. But you are welcome to bring out the evidence.

(1) I was just pointing that out since you said something along the lines of not caring about the evidence others have brought up for Kakashi.

(2) Okay I misunderstood you I didn't know you were using kid Sasuke there. And the thing is Kid Kakashi have had showings, however we didn't get a chance to see his fights but we had only a little preview back story.

(3) With that said, we can't make assumptions to say that oh kid Kakashi wouldn't have cut it against Oro too since we don't have showings of him fighting high class Jonins.
Even then too we have evidence of Kakashis talents since he has also been praised by Minato(a kage level who may be above Oro) and also Obito and Gai.

Hell even Minato recruited him to gurd a pregnant Kushina. This goes a long way to show his talents.

As a kid he was also recruited into the anbu where he quickly became a captain.

All I am saying is Kakashi have had all those things you posted about Sasuke but better, So all in all place him in that Oro battle and he would have even done better than Sasuke.

(4) No Obito gave him chackra, but the control was all him, now you are the one low balling Kakashi. He used his smarts and talents to adjust to it and used techniques that were new to him.
This right there surpases anything Sasuke has shown.

 

[bencoby]

-He did not figure out Haku all on his own. It wasn't even a 1v1
-Beating Deidara, one of the stupidest, and cockiest Akatsuki members. Wow, what a shocker.
- It shocked Itachi that Sasuke pulled through =/= Itachi wouldn't be able to do the same. That's like saying I'm shocked a mentally disabled person can do this math equation.
- Itachi was beside him also making strategies. Not sure what your point is. Kakashi also has on-the-spot strategies, so Sasuke isn't exactly special. Hell, even Naruto has on-the-spot strategies.
- That dumb Kaguya you speak of negged Sasuke's instant teleportation.

Kid Kakashi has almost no canon backstory on him. How is that fair? Why are you even comparing the past with the present?




What's wrong with being childish? NB seems to made up of children. Just join the party.

Okay but you needn't have to join them, not cool.

 

[shelke]

-He did not figure out Haku all on his own. It wasn't even a 1v1
-Beating Deidara, one of the stupidest, and cockiest Akatsuki members. Wow, what a shocker.
- It shocked Itachi that Sasuke pulled through =/= Itachi wouldn't be able to do the same. That's like saying I'm shocked a mentally disabled person can do this math equation.
- Itachi was beside him also making strategies. Not sure what your point is. Kakashi also has on-the-spot strategies, so Sasuke isn't exactly special. Hell, even Naruto has on-the-spot strategies.
- That dumb Kaguya you speak of negged Sasuke's instant teleportation.

Kid Kakashi has almost no canon backstory on him. How is that fair? Why are you even comparing the past with the present?

What's wrong with being childish? NB seems to made up of children. Just join the party.

- Read the manga properly. One on One or two on one means nothing here, given your question.

- Making a poor strategy against Kaguya who makes Kiba look like Einstein? What a shocker. What a petty excuse, by the way.

- No idea what the **** you are even implying, when I am stating that Itachi exhibited shock, as it was an impossible feat. Next.

- Not sure what your point is, as I am talking about only Sasuke and what strategies he made.

- Which was affected by gravity? So changing dimension to evade an attack? Wow, the smartest thing I have ever seen in any manga, period. How can anyone think of getting out of the way of a punch or a kick or any attack for that matter. Wow man, I can finally see where you are coming from.

- So, got no counter for that Orochimaru feat, other than desperate attempts?

Thought so. But no, Kakashi is the smartest in anime verse. Forget Naruto. He's smarter than Aizen.

(1) I was just pointing that out since you said something along the lines of not caring about the evidence others have brought up for Kakashi.

(2) Okay I misunderstood you I didn't know you were using kid Sasuke there. And the thing is Kid Kakashi have had showings, however we didn't get a chance to see his fights but we had only a little preview back story.

(3) With that said, we can't make assumptions to say that oh kid Kakashi wouldn't have cut it against Oro too since we don't have showings of him fighting high class Jonins.
Even then too we have evidence of Kakashis talents since he has also been praised by Minato(a kage level who may be above Oro) and also Obito and Gai.

Hell even Minato recruited him to gurd a pregnant Kushina. This goes a long way to show his talents.

As a kid he was also recruited into the anbu where he quickly became a captain.

All I am saying is Kakashi have had all those things you posted about Sasuke but better, So all in all place him in that Oro battle and he would have even done better than Sasuke.

(4) No Obito gave him chackra, but the control was all him, now you are the one low balling Kakashi. He used his smarts and talents to adjust to it and used techniques that were new to him.
This right there surpases anything Sasuke has shown.

I am going to start with the Orochimaru point:

- Look, I'll be straight-forward. Just admit it, man, you are making excuses for Kakashi. No showings means, he did nothing spectacular.

- Yes, I can say for a fact that he couldn't have, given that Orochimaru's praise for Sasuke's intellect backs it up. I don't even remember that guy entertaining Kakashi like that.

- Kakashi was recruited quickly because of war times. If you don't admit that, then you can pretty much say that Itachi is less intelligent than Kakashi, when every guy in the manga wanks to him. Anyhow, how is that relevant? We all know ranks means little in NV.

- Again, Obito had possessed him. Had he not used Kamui before? It's like saying, Sasuke uses Amaterasu, so he's the most intelligent guy in the world. Sorry, but I disagree, as not only is it seriously up for debate, but his ability usage has nothing to do with making strategies.

 

[EZQ]

The ones who said sasuke need to read another manga.

Kakashi has so many amazing anallysis feats that we can say he is the best strategist of the manga, and even Gai confirmed it. Comparing him with sasuke? Oh look! we have a whole manga chapter that solves your question! Against Kaguya, who was the one that made the strategy to beat her while Sasuke could only do what he said? Kakashi.

Is it necessary to mention all of other Kakashi's amazing feats? (Against edo Zabuza, against pain, against the masked man...) I don't think so.

Kakashi is better than Sasuke here, no question.

 

[bencoby]

- Read the manga properly. One on One or two on one means nothing here, given your question.

- Making a poor strategy against Kaguya who makes Kiba look like Einstein? What a shocker. What a petty excuse, by the way.

- No idea what the **** you are even implying, when I am stating that Itachi exhibited shock, as it was an impossible feat. Next.

- Not sure what your point is, as I am talking about only Sasuke and what strategies he made.

- Which was affected by gravity? So changing dimension to evade an attack? Wow, the smartest thing I have ever seen in any manga, period. How can anyone think of getting out of the way of a punch or a kick or any attack for that matter. Wow man, I can finally see where you are coming from.

- So, got no counter for that Orochimaru feat, other than desperate attempts?

Thought so. But no, Kakashi is the smartest in anime verse. Forget Naruto. He's smarter than Aizen.



I am going to start with the Orochimaru point:

- Look, I'll be straight-forward. Just admit it, man, you are making excuses for Kakashi. No showings means, he did nothing spectacular.

- Yes, I can say for a fact that he couldn't have, given that Orochimaru's praise for Sasuke's intellect backs it up. I don't even remember that guy entertaining Kakashi like that.

- Kakashi was recruited quickly because of war times. If you don't admit that, then you can pretty much say that Itachi is less intelligent than Kakashi, when every guy in the manga wanks to him. Anyhow, how is that relevant? We all know ranks means little in NV.

- Again, Obito had possessed him. Had he not used Kamui before? It's like saying, Sasuke uses Amaterasu, so he's the most intelligent guy in the world. Sorry, but I disagree, as not only is it seriously up for debate, but his ability usage has nothing to do with making strategies.

(1) I did not say he he had no showings at all, all I said was they were little to none. But even with that we have Minato, Gai, and Obito praising him for his smarts. As a matter of fact, it was this same reason Gai made him his rival.

(2) Nope the guy was working for anbu before 3rd great ninja war. It was all based on merit, and he was going on dangerous missions with Jonins.
This just shows that the guy is a talented strategist to be recruited and given such a role in it.
Comparing Itachi and Kakashi isn't going to cut it here because Itachi was under Kakashi as his subordinate.

(3) I am just showing how clever and intelligent Kakashi is, which all the time counts into battle strategy formation. That's unless you want to deny that which would be poor on your part.

True his chakra entered into Kakashi, but from then on in PS, KS, KR, KSW were all techniques made and used by Kakashi at that very instance.

You can't compare both scenarios, since Sasuke had to spend years learning such a technique where as it took Kakashi only a couple of seconds. That alone trashes everything Sasuke can come up with.

 

[shelke]

(1) I did not say he he had no showings at all, all I said was they were little to none. But even with that we have Minato, Gai, and Obito praising him for his smarts. As a matter of fact, it was this same reason Gai made him his rival.

(2) Nope the guy was working for anbu before 3rd great ninja war. It was all based on merit, and he was going on dangerous missions with Jonins.
This just shows that the guy is a talented strategist to be recruited and given such a role in it.
Comparing Itachi and Kakashi isn't going to cut it here because Itachi was under Kakashi as his subordinate.

(3) I am just showing how clever and intelligent Kakashi is, which all the time counts into battle strategy formation. That's unless you want to deny that which would be poor on your part.

True his chakra entered into Kakashi, but from then on in PS, KS, KR, KSW were all techniques made and used by Kakashi at that very instance.

You can't compare both scenarios, since Sasuke had to spend years learning such a technique where as it took Kakashi only a couple of seconds. That alone trashes everything Sasuke can come up with.

I am going to keep this mighty short, as I am trying to enjoy my Eid Holidays:

- Without any showing in the manga, his nonexistent feats are fanfiction.

- Yet he still wasn't a jounin like Kakashi was?

- Not denying that Kakashi is intelligent. Despite the fact that I don't like him, I have always accepted this fact. I am simply stating that Sasuke is better, as he has better feats.

- Just like Madara, Itachi, and Sasuke? This point has nothing to do with strategy, given that his PS was shat on with two tiny spikes and he used Intangibility via two MS - something which Obito had been doing since he had 2 T.

Keep this restricted to strategies.

 

[EZQ]

I am going to keep this mighty short, as I am trying to enjoy my Eid Holidays:

- Without any showing in the manga, his nonexistent feats are fanfiction.

- Yet he still wasn't a jounin like Kakashi was?

- Not denying that Kakashi is intelligent. Despite the fact that I don't like him, I have always accepted this fact. I am simply stating that Sasuke is better, as he has better feats.

- Just like Madara, Itachi, and Sasuke? This point has nothing to do with strategy, given that his PS was shat on with two tiny spikes and he used Intangibility via two MS - something which Obito had been doing since he had 2 T.

Keep this restricted to strategies.

So you really think Sasuke is better than Kakashi as a tactician... by FEATS?

 

[bencoby]

I am going to keep this mighty short, as I am trying to enjoy my Eid Holidays:

- Without any showing in the manga, his nonexistent feats are fanfiction.

- Yet he still wasn't a jounin like Kakashi was?

- Not denying that Kakashi is intelligent. Despite the fact that I don't like him, I have always accepted this fact. I am simply stating that Sasuke is better, as he has better feats.

- Just like Madara, Itachi, and Sasuke? This point has nothing to do with strategy, given that his PS was shat on with two tiny spikes and he used Intangibility via two MS - something which Obito had been doing since he had 2 T.

Keep this restricted to strategies.

(1) There are evidence, just not enough..And I have even proof without doubt that Minato, Gai and Obito have all praised his smarts. Are you ignoring that?

(2) Kakashi was a Jonin when at an age where Sasuke was trying to become a chunin, so what's the point.
As you said yoursel rank means everything, and you and I know how the ranks are awarded. So Kakashi again trashes Sasuke in that aspect as well.

(3) Okay, and there are evidence to prove otherwise, you are ignoring them.

(4) No its not the same all those you mentioned needed years to even master techniques, whereas it took Kakashi only seconds, see the difference.
I meant Kakashi had to use smarts and intelligence to use such techs perfectly instantaneously.
And smarts and intelligence is incorporated into strategy making. Therefore Kakashi thrashes all of Sasukes showings with this feat.

Wrong again, Obito had to materialise just to attack, whereas Kakashi had no restrictions what so ever.

 

[NukaCola]

This thread is useless
OT: Hagoromo sucked Kakashi's dick for his strategy

 

[Migster257]

This thread is useless
OT: Hagoromo sucked Kakashi's dick for his strategy

Tell that to the Sasuke fans arguing.