Kakashi & Jiraiya >>> EMS Sasuke

[sage mode beat down]

You must know the other troll on this thread quite well.

trolls tend to bum eachother often

 

[al3xsmith13]

why is there so meny stupid people on this site :sy:

i seriously dont know its outta control...

 

[Kazekage35]

You must know the other troll on this thread quite well.

You must know Kishi quite well because you seem to talk like you know everything about naruto

 

[Bogard]

Both solos Sasuke

 

[Kazekage35]

Both solos Sasuke

Wise words bogard

 

[Anub]

You must know Kishi quite well because you seem to talk like you know everything about naruto

I have knowledge when it comes to the manga and characters, yes. I am also being polite, despite your attempts to stir up a flame war. So how about you start acting like an adult and tell my why you would think EMS Sasuke would lose? Because I am actually looking for a debate here, not just childish trolling.

 

[Kazekage35]

I have knowledge when it comes to the manga and characters, yes. I am also being polite, despite your attempts to stir up a flame war. So how about you start acting like an adult and tell my why you would think EMS Sasuke would lose? Because I am actually looking for a debate here, not just childish trolling.

Well you see sir, I am in fact, not an adult, considering I am a minor, which means I am under the age of 18. Sasuke would lose because he lacks the experience Jiraiya and Kakashi have. Also, Sasuke fights with emotions too much and Kakashi has displayed recently how his stamina has increased. Also, Kakashi and Jiraiya have a ton of summons and Kakashi has the two styles superior to Sasuke

 

[al3xsmith13]

I have knowledge when it comes to the manga and characters, yes. I am also being polite, despite your attempts to stir up a flame war. So how about you start acting like an adult and tell my why you would think EMS Sasuke would lose? Because I am actually looking for a debate here, not just childish trolling.

wow youre looking for a debate? but you didnt even counter my points in the op

 

[Anub]

Well you see sir, I am in fact, not an adult, considering I am a minor, which means I am under the age of 18. Sasuke would lose because he lacks the experience Jiraiya and Kakashi have. Also, Sasuke fights with emotions too much and Kakashi has displayed recently how his stamina has increased. Also, Kakashi and Jiraiya have a ton of summons and Kakashi has the two styles superior to Sasuke

My bad then, I thought I was communicating with an adult. Nevertheless, let me reply to your post.

experience isn't always a factor in a fight. Sasuke vs Danzo for example, Sasuke vs Deidara as well.
Sasuke fights with emotions in the manga. He has a grudge against anyone associated with Itachi's death. But this is an imaginary versus, meaning that each character presumably starts off neutral, with full stamina and at his full potential.
Kakashi's stamina is still lacking. He stated himself that this is his weakness, but yet we see Sasuke fight more than one kage and still be standing.
Summons may indeed prove to be a challenge (Jirayia's summons, not Kakashi's) but Sasuke has an upgraded version of susanoo now. He should be able to deal with that.

Here's my opinion: no one can say how strong/weak Sasuke is with his EMS yet, because we've barely seen him in action. When we do see him in action, we can actually debate on this. Until then, this is no more than a simple opinion with no real facts to support it.

wow youre looking for a debate? but you didnt even counter my points in the op

Yes, I am looking for a debate, or better said, debaters. There is currently a debate tournament taking place on these forums and I am merely scouting for more debaters. With this being said, there is nothing to counter in your first post. You only mentioned what Kakashi and Jirayia can do. I've been a judge in a previous debate tournament so, yes, I would know what I am talking about: you have no versus because you have no opponent for your two shinobi. If you were to show how and why Sasuke would lose, I would gladly counter you.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Jiraiya would ko sasuke though we haven't seen much of ems sasuke as for kakashi no even wih the kamui I thinks sasuke kill him. Touch my mangos and kazakage your foolish argument is annoying and taking up the thread just pm argue each other sheesh

 

[UchihaDecendant]

Its possible because of the expirence of Jiraiya and the intelligence of Kakashi but I would not count Sasuke out. He has the will to survive and he is also an intelligent character

 

[Kazekage35]

My bad then, I thought I was communicating with an adult. Nevertheless, let me reply to your post.

experience isn't always a factor in a fight. Sasuke vs Danzo for example, Sasuke vs Deidara as well.
Sasuke fights with emotions in the manga. He has a grudge against anyone associated with Itachi's death. But this is an imaginary versus, meaning that each character presumably starts off neutral, with full stamina and at his full potential.
Kakashi's stamina is still lacking. He stated himself that this is his weakness, but yet we see Sasuke fight more than one kage and still be standing.
Summons may indeed prove to be a challenge (Jirayia's summons, not Kakashi's) but Sasuke has an upgraded version of susanoo now. He should be able to deal with that.

Here's my opinion: no one can say how strong/weak Sasuke is with his EMS yet, because we've barely seen him in action. When we do see him in action, we can actually debate on this. Until then, this is no more than a simple opinion with no real facts to support it.

Kakashi's dogs have the ability to pull him out from Susano'o, no matter how strong the outside is, the base is always the weakness. You can't bring his fight against the kages up because he was saved 3 times in those fights...

 

[Anub]

Kakashi's dogs have the ability to pull him out from Susano'o, no matter how strong the outside is, the base is always the weakness. You can't bring his fight against the kages up because he was saved 3 times in those fights...

And also he had MS in those fights. I brought the fight against the kage because they prove he's got stamina.

I don't think Kakashi's dogs are strong enough to temper with Susanoo. You may overrate them too much. But Jirayia's toads are dangerous.

 

[al3xsmith13]

My bad then, I thought I was communicating with an adult. Nevertheless, let me reply to your post.

experience isn't always a factor in a fight. Sasuke vs Danzo for example, Sasuke vs Deidara as well.
Sasuke fights with emotions in the manga. He has a grudge against anyone associated with Itachi's death. But this is an imaginary versus, meaning that each character presumably starts off neutral, with full stamina and at his full potential.
Kakashi's stamina is still lacking. He stated himself that this is his weakness, but yet we see Sasuke fight more than one kage and still be standing.
Summons may indeed prove to be a challenge (Jirayia's summons, not Kakashi's) but Sasuke has an upgraded version of susanoo now. He should be able to deal with that.

Here's my opinion: no one can say how strong/weak Sasuke is with his EMS yet, because we've barely seen him in action. When we do see him in action, we can actually debate on this. Until then, this is no more than a simple opinion with no real facts to support it.



Yes, I am looking for a debate, or better said, debaters. There is currently a debate tournament taking place on these forums and I am merely scouting for more debaters. With this being said, there is nothing to counter in your first post. You only mentioned what Kakashi and Jirayia can do. I've been a judge in a previous debate tournament so, yes, I would know what I am talking about: you have no versus because you have no opponent for your two shinobi. If you were to show how and why Sasuke would lose, I would gladly counter you.

I posted Jiraiya and Kakashi's counters to sasuke's moves... by sasuke's moves i mean the obvious susanno and amaterasu . i felt like i didnt need to go into detail since almost everyone knows about them

 

[Kazekage35]

And also he had MS in those fights. I brought the fight against the kage because they prove he's got stamina.

I don't think Kakashi's dogs are strong enough to temper with Susanoo. You may overrate them too much. But Jirayia's toads are dangerous.

True, but no matter how strong the Susano'o is the ground which the person stands on is still the same and the matter of the fact is that is the weakness. I feel Jiraiya can go SM, summon Bunta, Gamaken, and the yellow one while Kakashi and Jiraiya fight him and kakashi's dogs rip him out of Susano'o

 

[Sasuke1025]

Kakashi's dogs have the ability to pull him out from Susano'o, no matter how strong the outside is, the base is always the weakness. You can't bring his fight against the kages up because he was saved 3 times in those fights...

No because they're living things they have chakra so sasuke would b able to c them move underground

 

[al3xsmith13]

Its possible because of the expirence of Jiraiya and the intelligence of Kakashi but I would not count Sasuke out. He has the will to survive and he is also an intelligent character

sasuke is intelligent but he tends to jump the gun in battle and relies on his sharigan far too much

 

[Anub]

I posted Jiraiya and Kakashi's counters to sasuke's moves... by sasuke's moves i mean the obvious susanno and amaterasu . i felt like i didnt need to go into detail since almost everyone knows about them

That's the issue here. We don't know EMS Sasuke's moves. We know EMS > MS, but we are still unsure of what it does. We know Sasuke now has an upgraded Susanoo and so far that's pretty much it. We were hoping to see something amazing against Kabuto, but that was Itachi's game. Kishi gave Itachi his redemption fight and he deserved it IMO. It's clear that he's saving Sasuke's power up for later when he'll be faced with a stronger opponent.

And here my simplest reason as to why Sasuke would stand a chance to win against those two: Kishi stated in interviews numerous times that Naruto and Sasuke are evolving equally. They've always been close in power in the manga and I don't think this will be any different. I mean they're supposed to die if they face each other...that's how balanced they are. So Sasuke's stronger than people give him credit at the moment.

 

[Kazekage35]

No because they're living things they have chakra so sasuke would b able to c them move underground

Just because he sees them coming doesn't mean he can do much. He can sense them but he will have to dodge multiple living things

 

[Bogard]

Wise words bogard

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