Kakashi hypocrisy

[maniaoqan]

He didn't go to avenge Asuma.

He went to go try and make sure Team 10 didn't get their shit kicked in and end up dead.

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[Dannie]

That does not make Naruto a hypocrite.. That makes the members who comment about Sasuke and not about Naruto one. Don't blame Naruto

No, you see, I will blame Naruto, because Naruto spent the entirety of the series trying to change Sasuke, and make him give up on his revenge and come back to the village.

But what do we have later on? Jiraiya dies.

How does Naruto react?

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"I'm going to get revenge for that Ero-Sennin."

Yeah, okay Naruto. Tell Sasuke that seeking revenge is wrong but when someone you love dies, it's all okay. "I'm going to tell other people not to succumb to revenge but when someone I care about dies, I'm going to forget what I said before and seek revenge for my own benefit."

Naruto is a hypocrite, and that is not even the only reason as to why he is a hypocrite.

What happened to that "hard worker" beats natural talent bullshit?

So did you guys just not read the part of the manga where he chose not to kill Nagato? It's okay if you didn't, no need to be ashamed.

It's clear that you are just too ignorant to understand what is going on here, so I will just say this.

Whether Naruto killed Nagato at the end or not isn't the point. Did he, or did he not want revenge for Jiraiya's death?

 

[Gagster]

No, you see, I will blame Naruto, because Naruto spent the entirety of the series trying to change Sasuke, and make him give up on his revenge and come back to the village.

But what do we have later on? Jiraiya dies.

How does Naruto react?

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"I'm going to get revenge for that Ero-Sennin."

Yeah, okay Naruto. Tell Sasuke that seeking revenge is wrong but when someone you love dies, it's all okay. "I'm going to tell other people not to succumb to revenge but when someone I care about dies, I'm going to forget what I said before and seek revenge for my own benefit."

Naruto is a hypocrite, and that is not even the only reason as to why he is a hypocrite.

What happened to that "hard worker" beats natural talent bullshit?


It's clear that you are just too ignorant to understand what is going on here, so I will just say this.

Whether Naruto killed Nagato at the end or not isn't the point. Did he, or did he not want revenge for Jiraiya's death?

Ok, So you don't read the Manga at all, maybe you should before you try to correct other people. Also, what the hell are you talking about, Naruto never told Sasuke not to kill Itachi.

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[I'm stupid real stupid]

Nah. Kamui shurikens is the same as kamui snipe only 3x nothing special then the regular kamui blitz

Im talking about how Sasuke was getting no diffed in the Kaguya arc where else soon as Kakashi got DMS he started blitzing Kaguya

 

[Char Aznable]

No, you see, I will blame Naruto, because Naruto spent the entirety of the series trying to change Sasuke, and make him give up on his revenge and come back to the village.

But what do we have later on? Jiraiya dies.

How does Naruto react?

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"I'm going to get revenge for that Ero-Sennin."

Yeah, okay Naruto. Tell Sasuke that seeking revenge is wrong but when someone you love dies, it's all okay. "I'm going to tell other people not to succumb to revenge but when someone I care about dies, I'm going to forget what I said before and seek revenge for my own benefit."

Naruto is a hypocrite, and that is not even the only reason as to why he is a hypocrite.

What happened to that "hard worker" beats natural talent bullshit?


It's clear that you are just too ignorant to understand what is going on here, so I will just say this.

Whether Naruto killed Nagato at the end or not isn't the point. Did he, or did he not want revenge for Jiraiya's death?

Difference is that Naruto changed his mind about revenge. He told Nagato how badly he wanted to kill him for everything he had done. Which at that point included killing Jiraiya, destroying the village, killing scores of villagers including Shizune and Kakashi and attempting to kill Hinata in front of him.

Naruto's statements for revenge were born out of anger and hurt. But in the end he decides on peace. To break the cycle of "Pain".
It is after that, during the reconstruction of Konoha that Naruto says that he now understands how Sasuke felt and why his words didn't reach him when they fought at the end of Part 1.


Sasuke on the other hand pursued revenge and followed it a lot further down the rabbit hole than he intended. Sasuke's goal was to kill Itachi since Chapter 3. Between then and there, Sasuke severed all bonds of comraderie, love (Sakura), friendship (Naruto) and loyalty to the village. He killed Oro because he was an obstacle. He fought Deidara and used Manda to protect himself from Deidara's suicide. When he finally killed Itachi and learned the truth, Sasuke deliberately decides against his brothers wishes.

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Sasuke's hatred didn't die with Itachi, it grew. So he went out to find another face (Danzo), and another (the other 4 Kage), and another (the entire Leaf villager), and another (Naruto; who he said he would throw all his hatred at) and finally he planned to execute the 5 Kage sleeping in their pods, kill Naruto and kill the tailed beasts and make himself lord of everything.


Sasuke's journey of revenge was destructive to himself and everyone around him. While Naruto had more clause to had Nagato and the Akatsuki for what he had done and planned to do, Naruto chose to lay the sword down and find another way.

 

[Dannie]

Ok, So you don't read the Manga at all, maybe you should before you try to correct other people. Also, what the hell are you talking about, Naruto never told Sasuke not to kill Itachi.

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1. Still ignoring the fact that Naruto wanted revenge.
2. The very purpose of Naruto wanting Sasuke back is the same as not wanting Sasuke to kill Itachi.

He doesn't have to spell it out directly. Actually putting pieces together can make a difference. Reading is fun. You should try it.

Difference is that Naruto changed his mind about revenge. He told Nagato how badly he wanted to kill him for everything he had done. Which at that point included killing Jiraiya, destroying the village, killing scores of villagers including Shizune and Kakashi and attempting to kill Hinata in front of him.

Naruto's statements for revenge were born out of anger and hurt. But in the end he decides on peace. To break the cycle of "Pain".
It is after that, during the reconstruction of Konoha that Naruto says that he now understands how Sasuke felt and why his words didn't reach him when they fought at the end of Part 1.


Sasuke on the other hand pursued revenge and followed it a lot further down the rabbit hole than he intended. Sasuke's goal was to kill Itachi since Chapter 3. Between then and there, Sasuke severed all bonds of comraderie, love (Sakura), friendship (Naruto) and loyalty to the village. He killed Oro because he was an obstacle. He fought Deidara and used Manda to protect himself from Deidara's suicide. When he finally killed Itachi and learned the truth, Sasuke deliberately decides against his brothers wishes.

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Sasuke's hatred didn't die with Itachi, it grew. So he went out to find another face (Danzo), and another (the other 4 Kage), and another (the entire Leaf villager), and another (Naruto; who he said he would throw all his hatred at) and finally he planned to execute the 5 Kage sleeping in their pods, kill Naruto and kill the tailed beasts and make himself lord of everything.


Sasuke's journey of revenge was destructive to himself and everyone around him. While Naruto had more clause to had Nagato and the Akatsuki for what he had done and planned to do, Naruto chose to lay the sword down and find another way.

Irrelevant. He still wanted revenge, and I'm not denying Sasuke's revenge.

 

[Gagster]

1. Still ignoring the fact that Naruto wanted revenge.
2. The very purpose of Naruto wanting Sasuke back is the same as not wanting Sasuke to kill Itachi.

He doesn't have to spell it out directly. Actually putting pieces together can make a difference. Reading is fun. You should try it.


Irrelevant. He still wanted revenge, and I'm not denying Sasuke's revenge.

Lel, Look at this denial.

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GG No RE, go to bed son.

 

[silmarill]

No, you see, I will blame Naruto, because Naruto spent the entirety of the series trying to change Sasuke, and make him give up on his revenge and come back to the village.

But what do we have later on? Jiraiya dies.

How does Naruto react?

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"I'm going to get revenge for that Ero-Sennin."

Yeah, okay Naruto. Tell Sasuke that seeking revenge is wrong but when someone you love dies, it's all okay. "I'm going to tell other people not to succumb to revenge but when someone I care about dies, I'm going to forget what I said before and seek revenge for my own benefit."

Naruto is a hypocrite, and that is not even the only reason as to why he is a hypocrite.

What happened to that "hard worker" beats natural talent bullshit?


It's clear that you are just too ignorant to understand what is going on here, so I will just say this.

Whether Naruto killed Nagato at the end or not isn't the point. Did he, or did he not want revenge for Jiraiya's death?

Lol. U clearly don't understand that Naruto didn't gave a fuk about Sasuke wanting revenge. He couldn't care less about the revenge part. He tried to bring Sasuke back for over 2 years. But it had nothing to do with him not allowing Sasuke to avenge his family. Sasuke was his friend and that's the only reason he wanted to bring him back. He wanted him back in the village. Revenge was just a convenient reason to try and reason with him. Naruto woul've said anything to try and keep Sasuke in the village. If Sasuke stayed and together they planned to take down Itachi Naruto would have never had a problem with it. Naruto was selfish. But never did he once mention it would have been wrong for Sasuke to kill Itachi. This is just one of the many shit Sasuke fans have been saying for so long that they probably believe their own lies by now.

 

[Char Aznable]

1. Still ignoring the fact that Naruto wanted revenge.
2. The very purpose of Naruto wanting Sasuke back is the same as not wanting Sasuke to kill Itachi.

He doesn't have to spell it out directly. Actually putting pieces together can make a difference. Reading is fun. You should try it.


Irrelevant. He still wanted revenge, and I'm not denying Sasuke's revenge.

Not irrelevant because it helps define Naruto and Sasuke's character.

Wanting vengeance isn't a crime. It's a powerful emotional response when you feel someone has wronged you. Naruto was hurt by Nagato and he wanted to hurt Nagato back. Ultimately Naruto gives up his desire to have blood for blood retribution, when he talks to Nagato and tries to understand him. Keep in mind that Inochi and Shikaku were also out for revenge and tried to dissuade Naruto from simply talking things out with Nagato. They said the Akatsuki had crossed a line and could never be forgiven. But Naruto managed to convince them and Nagato that violence and hatred would only beget violence and hatred. It showed Naruto had matured to understand these complicated emotions and that he would meet them head on and not sidestep that these things exist in the world.


As opposed to Sasuke who knew what he should've done as far back as Part 1. Seek peace and not revenge, but Sasuke consistently refused to heed anyone's (Kakashi, Itachi's, Naruto's, the 4 Hokage's) best wishes for him.

 

[Avani]

I think Kakashi is a total hypocrite for telling Sasuke to not pursue revenge, but then in part II, he goes and helps avenge his friend Asuma.

What do you think?

Kakashi was looking out for his favourite student's psychological welfare.

There is a difference in dealing with an active threat that akatsuki was and taking care of an unfinished mission and dedicating your life to one track goal without any other actual life for yourself. The duo still needed to be taken care of. Asuma was sent to acquire and peruse the killers to get body of that dead monk didn't he? Asuma deliberately used himself to figure out the weakness of Hidan and expected Shikamaru to finish the task. They knew where to find them and finish it.

On the other hand Sasuke's approach to revenge was making him miss out his present and he had no real goal for himself in case he didn't get to take revenge nor if he was done with it. Besides it was his own brother not some stranger so it was going to suck anyway.

Kishi had to add a vague unnamed illness for Itachi to die on his own to free Sasuke of guilt of fratricide. What if Itachi didn't die of illness and Sasuke really killed him? And then he learned the whole truth about Itachi? It would have been more realistic but that much worse for Sasuke.

 

[Dannie]

Lel, Look at this denial.

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GG No RE, go to bed son.

And yet you're denying that Naruto wanted revenge?

lol okay moron.

Lol. U clearly don't understand that Naruto didn't gave a fuk about Sasuke giving up on revenge. He couldn't care less about the revenge part. He tried to bring Sasuke back for over 2 years. But it had nothing to do with him not allowing Sasuke to avenge his family. Sasuke was his friend and that's the only reason he wanted to bring him back. He wanted him back in the village. Revenge was just a convenient reason to try and reason with him. Naruto woul've said anything to try and keep Sasuke in the village. If Sasuke stayed and together they planned to take down Itachi Naruto would have never had a problem with it. Naruto was selfish.

How about you understand the reason behind WHY Sasuke left the village and then interpret that into Naruto's plea.

Sasuke didn't leave the village for no reason. There was obviously a reason behind it. Unless Naruto is some type of stupid, he should know that Sasuke is after something else, and it is more than just their friendship.

Jiraiya died. FACT.
Naruto wanted revenge on Jiraiya. FACT.
Naruto prohibits Sasuke from trying to achieve his revenge. FACT.

Naruto is a hypocrite.

 

[Gagster]

And yet you're denying that Naruto wanted revenge?

lol okay moron.


How about you understand the reason behind WHY Sasuke left the village and then interpret that into Naruto's plea.

Sasuke didn't leave the village for no reason. There was obviously a reason behind it. Unless Naruto is some type of stupid, he should know that Sasuke is after something else, and it is more than just their friendship.

Jiraiya died. FACT.
Naruto wanted revenge on Jiraiya. FACT.
Naruto prohibits Sasuke from trying to achieve his revenge. FACT.

Naruto is a hypocrite.

EITHER
Post a scan of Naruto telling Sasuke not to kill Itachi
Post a scan of Naruto getting revenge for Jiraiya

If not then I'm done with you.

 

[silmarill]

And yet you're denying that Naruto wanted revenge?

lol okay moron.


How about you understand the reason behind WHY Sasuke left the village and then interpret that into Naruto's plea.

Sasuke didn't leave the village for no reason. There was obviously a reason behind it. Unless Naruto is some type of stupid, he should know that Sasuke is after something else, and it is more than just their friendship.

Jiraiya died. FACT.
Naruto wanted revenge on Jiraiya. FACT.
Naruto prohibits Sasuke from trying to achieve his revenge. FACT.

Naruto is a hypocrite.

I now the reason why Sasuke left the village. Why did u bring that up
II also never denied Naruto wanted revenge
Naruto prohibiting Sasuke from taking revenge is not true
naruto prohibited Sasuke from leaving the village. He just wanted Sasuke to stay, how can u not see revenge had nothing to do with it in Naruto's point of view. He did it because he did not want Sakura to be sad and he did it because Sasuke was his friend and he did not wanted to be alone. Revenge? ulterior motives for Naruto

 

[Dannie]

EITHER
Post a scan of Naruto telling Sasuke not to kill Itachi

You're a simple reader. Naruto trying to keep Sasuke from leaving the village is the same thing as telling him not to go and kill Itachi.

Post a scan of Naruto getting revenge for Jiraiya

Moron, I already posted this eariler:

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He clearly learned Sage Jutsu to defeat Pain who killed his master. It doesn't matter if he went with the end game of killing Nagato or not. He still went for revenge, hence why he said it and why he learned Sage Mode to defeat him.

If not then I'm done with you.

You clearly had nothing to start with so you never even started.

 

[Tapey]

I think more of what Kakashi's point was is to not let revenge consume Sasuke's life

 

[Gagster]

You're a simple reader. Naruto trying to keep Sasuke from leaving the village is the same thing as telling him not to go and kill Itachi.


Moron, I already posted this eariler:

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He clearly learned Sage Jutsu to defeat Pain who killed his master. It doesn't matter if he went with the end game of killing Nagato or not. He still went for revenge, hence why he said it and why he learned Sage Mode to defeat him.


You clearly had nothing to start with so you never even started.

Why did you reply to me when you didn't post either of those two things.

You can't even follow simple instructions, let alone comprehend the manga.

Only keep replying if you get the things I told you to.

 

[awesomeseimei]

With Naruto, wasn't it kind of the point? He had to understand what wanting revenge feels like in order to reconnect with Sasuke?

 

[silmarill]

Naruto prohibiting him from leaving the village is not the same as him not acknowledging Sasuke's reason to avenge his family
Naruto was look out for Sasuke's wellbeing and for Sakura's. He was scared of the effects it would have but that doesn't mean he did not agreed with Sasuke's cause

 

[Shruikan]

Naruto prohibiting Sasuke from taking revenge is not true

Then why was he so distraught over the fact that Sasuke was hellbent on revenge?Lol

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And this was after Sasuke yelled to his face that revenge was all he cared about yet Naruto still insisted on pursuing him

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naruto prohibited Sasuke from leaving the village. He just wanted Sasuke to stay, how can u not see revenge had nothing to do with it in Naruto's point of view. He did it because he did not want Sakura to be sad and he did it because Sasuke was his friend and he did not wanted to be alone. Revenge? ulterior motives for Naruto

Naruto didnt want him to leave the village because he didnt want to lose Sasuke to Orochimaru and also because he didnt want the bond between the two to break.
However inspite of knowing that he was going to Orochimaru for power,insisting on bringing him back implied Naruto was effectively prohibiting him from achieving his revenge

 

[silmarill]

Then why was he so distraught over the fact that Sasuke was hellbent on revenge?Lol

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And this was after Sasuke yelled to his face that revenge was all he cared about yet Naruto still insisted on pursuing him

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Naruto didnt want him to leave the village because he didnt want to lose Sasuke to Orochimaru and also because he didnt want the bond between the two to break.
However inspite of knowing that he was going to Orochimaru for power,insisting on bringing him back implied Naruto was effectively prohibiting him from achieving his revenge

I'm not going to explain myself 5 times over

I will try to give an example

If my brother has been in a conflict and he goes to person A to settle matters by means of a fist fight
I try to stop him because I know it can get dangerous and my family will be sad if anything bad happens to him
I am looking out for his wellbeing , it does not mean that I don't agree with his point of view on revenge (settling the score)