[Discussion] Kakashi Hokage?

[Mr Hiru]

I guess we can say that Kakashi is acknowledged by his friends as a worthy comrade and as a good leader. His strength is good but without the Sharingan its nothing special; on his own he is just on the level of a very experienced Jonin. Nothing in the Manga has suggested otherwise to us.

While Hokage are primarily leaders they also function as deterrents to other nations. People Like Minato and Hashirama were prime examples of this at work.

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Can we say that he is anywhere near on the level of acknowledgement that people like Naruto, Hashirama, Hiruzen, Minato and heck even Tobirama have gained?

All of these people are extraordinary leaders, by simple fact of their vision and the way they lived inspired respect and acknowledgment.

Is Kakashi an INSPIRING leader?

The difference between a Jonin commander and Hokage is this: VISION & INSPIRATION.

I would judge that while Kakashi is a good leader he does not inspire feats of will in others. He does not inspire others to greater feats to go that extra mile. People like Naruto and the other Hokage however do.

For example, do people believe and place faith in Kakashi? I'm not convinced that they do.

Kakashi is a follower, he followed Obito, he followed Minato, he follows Naruto....

This is a fact, it doesn't take anything away from his character thats just who he is. I think Kishimoto is trying to make Kakashi into something he isn't.

During the Kages Summit, the first person aknowledged by the Kages when Danzou escaped from Sasuke's intromission was Hatake Kakashi.

I don't need to recall that even Gaara still has troubles when we talk about vision, and even Oonoki has troubles with inspiration.

So, we don't need someone perfect for the seat. Kakashi already has the respect of every hokage, and Tsunade is not dead yet.

 

[valandil988]

During the Kages Summit, the first person aknowledged by the Kages when Danzou escaped from Sasuke's intromission was Hatake Kakashi.

I don't need to recall that even Gaara still has troubles when we talk about vision, and even Oonoki has troubles with inspiration.

So, we don't need someone perfect for the seat. Kakashi already has the respect of every hokage, and Tsunade is not dead yet.

Your point is? I didn't say Kakashi wasn't acknowledged. My point is its not in the same leagues as other Kage. He was acknowledged as a famous ninja not as a fellow leader of similar caliber.

Gaara has vision in spades, partly due to Naruto's own influence.

Ohnoki has trouble with his will to continue on...in his old age. Well nah I never would have imagined an old man older than even Hiruzen having trouble forging on....but even in his advanced age he has managed to find that indomitable will. THATS a Kage's metal. Imagine what he was like when he was younger.

Tsunade isn't dead yet....I couldn't agree more. Will a Hokage be needed until she has to step down? By which point another candidate will be ready. I don't think so.

 

[prb123]

So if someone starts another war and everything happens again and oh ye like kakash is a hokage and is going to protect the shinobi world gl with that lol U NEVER KNOw if some random maniac will do it all over again ...


What happends if that guy is stronger then kakashi by a very big margin? then what lol.


The manga is called naruto for a reason

 

[KRZYNASTY]

The manga is called naruto for a reason

That's probably the least creative argument to why Kakashi can't become Hokage...

Just because the manga is named after the main character doesn't mean EVERYTHING will go the way we imagine it. For all we know the end of the manga could have Naruto becoming a Hermit and traveling around the ninja world and helping those in need/spreading peace. However, we have no real idea how it will end because only Kishi knows how it'll end (even though I am skeptical at this point he does).

None of the Kages that are and came before probably were 100%, but they tried their best and, seeing as their nations continued to prosper, probably did a good job regardless.

When Jiraiya proposed that Tsunade become the next Hokage the Feudal Lord did much the same as he did with Kakashi. That is, name the people that she was related to and who she was trained under. Even she didn't have the real qualities at first to lead a whole village, but she turned out just fine.

 

[FourthSmokage]

Okay...have you seen what they've been up against? They've been fighting Gods.

Also, the only reason Naruto has been picking up Kakashi's "sorry ass" is because he is/was nowhere near Madara's and Kaguya's power. Frankly, both Naruto and Sasuke would not have been able to go toe-to-toe with those two had he not gotten those power-ups. That's the only way he is able to save his "sorry ass."

Come up with a better excuse next time lawl.

:vincent:

Ooh u bolded my text how fancy. SIKE

I know that each time Kakashi has tried to fight Obito, he got too depressed to fight and Naruto had to give him words of encouragement so he could keep going. The fact that Naruto was able to do this automatically makes him a better candidate. He can motivate and change people with words, and be a leader that is superior to Kakashi. That's not even taking power into account yet.

So what if they're up against a lot? That sounds like an excuse to me. A real hokage would walk forward against all odds and kick some butt and show everyone else how it's done. Naruto has literally protected everyone with his chakra and kept fighting simultaneously. Naruto has been like Operah just giving chakra and rasengans to everybody in attendance.

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Kakashi completely failed at talking to his old friend Obito. His words made no difference to Obito. The only thing Kakashi could say was "listen to naruto, his words were like yours ".

 

[Maik Forte]

So if someone starts another war and everything happens again and oh ye like kakash is a hokage and is going to protect the shinobi world gl with that lol U NEVER KNOw if some random maniac will do it all over again ...


What happends if that guy is stronger then kakashi by a very big margin? then what lol.


The manga is called naruto for a reason

Tsunade wasn't able to defend the Konoha from Pain.

Cut in half by Madara and she's not even close to Kaguya/BZ.

She became the fifth Hokage by the way.

 

[johnny335704]

As of now, Naruto is better candidate than Kakashi for Hokage title. But Naruto needs some more experience. Kakashi can be a mentor for Naruto.

However Kakashi is pretty famous in Konoha. When Tsunade was not conscious after Pain's invasion, if it was not for Danzo's forced approach to Konoha Council members, Kakashi would have been Hokage Candidate.

 

[Villz559]

hmmm..., I seem to believe he does inspire people, like naruto, itachi, sakura, guy sensei, and even thos kids he failed in the exams. Furthermore, I would also say that he does deserve hokage on the premises that his battle strategy, besides itatchi., jiraiya and possibly hashirama seem to be unmatched. Not many, if any are on his level of figuring out enemy battle tactics. With that type of compassion for his comrades and influence on peers, he would be a superb Hokage as long as he has a sharringan too. (IMO) Other wise., Kakashi would seem to be quite weak in battle.......unless his chakra and control of it is GodLike!

 

[KRZYNASTY]

Ooh u bolded my text how fancy. SIKE

I know that each time Kakashi has tried to fight Obito, he got too depressed to fight and Naruto had to give him words of encouragement so he could keep going. The fact that Naruto was able to do this automatically makes him a better candidate. He can motivate and change people with words, and be a leader that is superior to Kakashi. That's not even taking power into account yet.

So what if they're up against a lot? That sounds like an excuse to me. A real hokage would walk forward against all odds and kick some butt and show everyone else how it's done. Naruto has literally protected everyone with his chakra and kept fighting simultaneously. Naruto has been like Operah just giving chakra and rasengans to everybody in attendance.

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Kakashi completely failed at talking to his old friend Obito. His words made no difference to Obito. The only thing Kakashi could say was "listen to naruto, his words were like yours ".

That doesn't mean anything. How many times did Naruto do the same thing with Sasuke? His fight with him at the Valley of the End was basically what you were describing with Kakashi. And each time he was countered with Sasuke he let his emotions overwhelm him, but that's not something that should be seen as a negative. If anything, Kakshi had a right to feel this way and even feel more emotion because his friend, who he'd seen die, was still alive and causing all this problem. I would be a little confused and not in my right mind had that happened to me. The depression that Kakashi felt wasn't uncalled for, it was just right, especially when he learned that his carefree teammate become a complete lunatic some 10 years later.

Also, we need to stop comparing Naruto with anyone in the series anymore because it isn't even a fair or equal statement. Since becoming a Sage Naruto has been a step above everyone, and what more, is that he's had a large chakra reserve because of the Nine-Tails. Comparing Kakshi with Naruto (or anyone with Naruto) doesn't make sense seeing as he's gotten some ridiculous power-ups over the last 50+ chapters. However, with this last chapter and Kakashi awakening Susano'O, I am sure we'll be seeing a way to compare the two in terms of strength.

You fail to see where we are and what things have become in this chapter. No one, not even the current and past Kage, can match what is happening. Yet, you seem to state that Kakashi is nothing but a joke in this when EVERYONE is practically in the same position as Kakashi is now. Not one of the past Hokage could keep up to what Naruto and Sasuke are doing. But please, let's all gang-up on Kakashi for not being able to do anything in the current state the chapter is in because Naruto is doing it all...

P.S. I like to bold my quotes, so don't get ahead of yourself and try and act like a smart-ass. Thanks.

 

[valandil988]

Ooh u bolded my text how fancy. SIKE

I know that each time Kakashi has tried to fight Obito, he got too depressed to fight and Naruto had to give him words of encouragement so he could keep going. The fact that Naruto was able to do this automatically makes him a better candidate. He can motivate and change people with words, and be a leader that is superior to Kakashi. That's not even taking power into account yet.

So what if they're up against a lot? That sounds like an excuse to me. A real hokage would walk forward against all odds and kick some butt and show everyone else how it's done. Naruto has literally protected everyone with his chakra and kept fighting simultaneously. Naruto has been like Operah just giving chakra and rasengans to everybody in attendance.

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Kakashi completely failed at talking to his old friend Obito. His words made no difference to Obito. The only thing Kakashi could say was "listen to naruto, his words were like yours ".

Exactly, its about being an inspiring leader not just a leader. An infantry platoon leader can be a GOOD leader but does he compare to people like George S. Patton? No inspiring leaders are in a realm of their own they provide vision AND leadership. Kakashi is a good leader but he is not an inspiring figure.

That doesn't mean anything. How many times did Naruto do the same thing with Sasuke? His fight with him at the Valley of the End was basically what you were describing with Kakashi. And each time he was countered with Sasuke he let his emotions overwhelm him, but that's not something that should be seen as a negative. If anything, Kakshi had a right to feel this way and even feel more emotion because his friend, who he'd seen die, was still alive and causing all this problem. I would be a little confused and not in my right mind had that happened to me. The depression that Kakashi felt wasn't uncalled for, it was just right, especially when he learned that his carefree teammate become a complete lunatic some 10 years later.

Also, we need to stop comparing Naruto with anyone in the series anymore because it isn't even a fair or equal statement. Since becoming a Sage Naruto has been a step above everyone, and what more, is that he's had a large chakra reserve because of the Nine-Tails. Comparing Kakshi with Naruto (or anyone with Naruto) doesn't make sense seeing as he's gotten some ridiculous power-ups over the last 50+ chapters. However, with this last chapter and Kakashi awakening Susano'O, I am sure we'll be seeing a way to compare the two in terms of strength.

You fail to see where we are and what things have become in this chapter. No one, not even the current and past Kage, can match what is happening. Yet, you seem to state that Kakashi is nothing but a joke in this when EVERYONE is practically in the same position as Kakashi is now. Not one of the past Hokage could keep up to what Naruto and Sasuke are doing. But please, let's all gang-up on Kakashi for not being able to do anything in the current state the chapter is in because Naruto is doing it all...

P.S. I like to bold my quotes, so don't get ahead of yourself and try and act like a smart-ass. Thanks.

About Naruto vs Sasuke, that was when they were children he wasn't a whole person yet he still had much to learn. Kakashi IS a whole person he is what he is. No amount of "self healing" will change that. Even if he gets closure from Obito's "death" he won't have an inspiring presence. Naruto has always been inspiring even if he was stupid at times. He always had that presence to some extent even when he was young.

About bolded statement:

The point everyone is trying to make is that Kakashi without his sharingan can't even match the current Kage. If he became Kage with his base powers he would be the weakest of the Kage. That is the point we are trying to make.

Not mentioning that as a leader he doesn't match up at all. You keep deflecting these points as if they are not pertinent but they are by a wide margin.

Give an example of when Kakashi inspired someone with his OWN experience and his OWN words. Not Obito's. If anything you can say that the majority of Naruto's words and statements come from his own beliefs and heart.

Adopting other peoples beliefs without taking them as your own in your own fashion is the sign of a follower. Kakashi did this basically whole sale with Obito's ninja way. In all the ways that count Obito WAS Kakashi's leader.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Your point is? I didn't say Kakashi wasn't acknowledged. My point is its not in the same leagues as other Kage. He was acknowledged as a famous ninja not as a fellow leader of similar caliber.

Gaara has vision in spades, partly due to Naruto's own influence.

Ohnoki has trouble with his will to continue on...in his old age. Well nah I never would have imagined an old man older than even Hiruzen having trouble forging on....but even in his advanced age he has managed to find that indomitable will. THATS a Kage's metal. Imagine what he was like when he was younger.

Tsunade isn't dead yet....I couldn't agree more. Will a Hokage be needed until she has to step down? By which point another candidate will be ready. I don't think so.

My point was clear, actually. Oonoki understimated Gaara in the Kages summit, meaning that Gaara wasn't in the Kages leagues until he proven himself being useful to the shinobi alliance. Do you remember the battle of wits?

Also, Kakashi wasn't aknowledged only due being famous. He was aknowledged as an option due him being trustworthy. The Raikage always had a 'but' when trusting in the kages in the summit, but when Kakashi was mentioned the Raikage changed his attitude... curious? Coincidence? Fame?

...definitely not. Kakashi has always been ready for that seat.

 

[KRZYNASTY]

The point everyone is trying to make is that Kakashi without his sharingan can't even match the current Kage. If he became Kage with his base powers he would be the weakest of the Kage. That is the point we are trying to make.

Not mentioning that as a leader he doesn't match up at all. You keep deflecting these points as if they are not pertinent but they are by a wide margin.

Give an example of when Kakashi inspired someone with his OWN experience and his OWN words. Not Obito's. If anything you can say that the majority of Naruto's words and statements come from his own beliefs and heart.

Adopting other peoples beliefs without taking them as your own in your own fashion is the sign of a follower. Kakashi did this basically whole sale with Obito's ninja way. In all the ways that count Obito WAS Kakashi's leader.

1. I will agree, Kakashi without his Sharingan(s) is practically nothing more than a regular ninja. What makes him a foe to be feared was because he was so proficient in the Sharingan that he even got a reputation for being a "cold-blooded killer" by his ANBU members. But still, the experience he's gained overall shouldn't handicap him too far not to still be a great ninja. After all, he did make Jounin still at a young age without the eye(s).

2. I still don't see where he isn't a leader? Just because he adopted ideals from someone else? A lot of the great leaders of the world nowadays adopt methods of others, and or, mold those ideas to fit their own needs, which is what Kakashi did. He used what Obito taught him to teach new ninja that being a team is the most important aspect in the ninja world. It was because of that lesson that Naruto adopted his own (while still the same ideals as Kakashi/Obito) ninja way. So even Naruto is at fault to being a follower in some aspect, not a leader.

3. Then what about all the Hokages that came after Hashirama? Hashirama basically started the Will of Fire and every Hokage after him (possibly Tobirama) enveloped those same ideals. Does that make them all followers? Not necessarily. If it worked for one leader and helped the village prosper, then why not adopt that motto and continue it through the generations. That's what Kakashi did with Obito's worlds and look what happened. We now have three of the strongest Ninja's (yes, I count Sakura as one) since Orochimaru, Tsunade and Jiraiya.

I am not trying to cut corners. But this whole thread is pretty much another Sakura thread because Kakashi was acknowledged as a candidate for the seat of the sixth Hokage. Yes, it came out of the blue, but that doesn't mean we go and start bashing the character now because he's been "nominated" for the seat and Naruto, who we all love and the manga is about, has to potentially (not saying it will happen) take a backseat to Kakashi being the next Hokage and not him.

 

[lion fang master]

To me that's just a pump u up speech. Something that kakashi needed to snap out because he was starting to feel sorry for himself and wanted to die ? + obito just wanted his 1 on 1 with his lady.

 

[valandil988]

1. I will agree, Kakashi without his Sharingan(s) is practically nothing more than a regular ninja. What makes him a foe to be feared was because he was so proficient in the Sharingan that he even got a reputation for being a "cold-blooded killer" by his ANBU members. But still, the experience he's gained overall shouldn't handicap him too far not to still be a great ninja. After all, he did make Jounin still at a young age without the eye(s).

2. I still don't see where he isn't a leader? Just because he adopted ideals from someone else? A lot of the great leaders of the world nowadays adopt methods of others, and or, mold those ideas to fit their own needs, which is what Kakashi did. He used what Obito taught him to teach new ninja that being a team is the most important aspect in the ninja world. It was because of that lesson that Naruto adopted his own (while still the same ideals as Kakashi/Obito) ninja way. So even Naruto is at fault to being a follower in some aspect, not a leader.

3. Then what about all the Hokages that came after Hashirama? Hashirama basically started the Will of Fire and every Hokage after him (possibly Tobirama) enveloped those same ideals. Does that make them all followers? Not necessarily. If it worked for one leader and helped the village prosper, then why not adopt that motto and continue it through the generations. That's what Kakashi did with Obito's worlds and look what happened. We now have three of the strongest Ninja's (yes, I count Sakura as one) since Orochimaru, Tsunade and Jiraiya.

I am not trying to cut corners. But this whole thread is pretty much another Sakura thread because Kakashi was acknowledged as a candidate for the seat of the sixth Hokage. Yes, it came out of the blue, but that doesn't mean we go and start bashing the character now because he's been "nominated" for the seat and Naruto, who we all love and the manga is about, has to potentially (not saying it will happen) take a backseat to Kakashi being the next Hokage and not him.

I'm not bashing Kakashi I like the character. But I like the limits that were imposed on his character, he was similar to Sakura in my opinion, not a monster ninja, but a truly skilled one. PS I don't hate Sakura even if I sigh at her antics sometimes.

1. It is a handy cap, I have said this multiple times already, Hokage are not just leaders or administrators they are living deterrents much like the tailed beasts were. Kakashi without his sharingan would serve as no form of deterrent.

2. & 3. True, however one that has that inspiring spirit when they see something that impresses them, that changes their outlook they don't just assimilate it whole sale. IE they do not take it in totality and add it to themselves. True leaders interpret that inspiration and make it their own. Kakashi assimilated Obito's entire style to a certain extent even going so far as to appear late at every given opportunity. His ideas were also taken on by Kakashi but they were always recognizable as OBITO'S teaching. It wasn't Kakashi's own interpretation of that lesson.

4. For example Naruto was inspired by Haku and by Sasuke and his drive. But he didn't just take their ideas and use them he interpreted and then created his own ninja way. And his own teachings. True he has learned much by following in their foot steps, but he has stepped beyond them. Kakashi has not ever left the shadow of his sensei or even his fellow student Obito.

5. True Hashirama created a trend but each leader after him interpreted the will of fire in their own way. For example Itachi as a child could understand and discern more the will of fire and its meaning than even Hashirama originally did. Sarutobi had to endure through three wars testing his own commitment to the will of fire far more than even Hashirama was tested.

My point is that all of these leaders took what they saw worthy from teachings and then created their own.

For example the second Hokage believed in the will of fire but his own version of it. He didn't follow his brothers methods but he followed the idea. Ergo he interpreted! He went beyond his brothers foot steps. Just like his brother before him and every Hokage after.

 

[FourthSmokage]

That doesn't mean anything. How many times did Naruto do the same thing with Sasuke? His fight with him at the Valley of the End was basically what you were describing with Kakashi. And each time he was countered with Sasuke he let his emotions overwhelm him, but that's not something that should be seen as a negative. If anything, Kakshi had a right to feel this way and even feel more emotion because his friend, who he'd seen die, was still alive and causing all this problem. I would be a little confused and not in my right mind had that happened to me. The depression that Kakashi felt wasn't uncalled for, it was just right, especially when he learned that his carefree teammate become a complete lunatic some 10 years later.

Also, we need to stop comparing Naruto with anyone in the series anymore because it isn't even a fair or equal statement. Since becoming a Sage Naruto has been a step above everyone, and what more, is that he's had a large chakra reserve because of the Nine-Tails. Comparing Kakshi with Naruto (or anyone with Naruto) doesn't make sense seeing as he's gotten some ridiculous power-ups over the last 50+ chapters. However, with this last chapter and Kakashi awakening Susano'O, I am sure we'll be seeing a way to compare the two in terms of strength.

You fail to see where we are and what things have become in this chapter. No one, not even the current and past Kage, can match what is happening. Yet, you seem to state that Kakashi is nothing but a joke in this when EVERYONE is practically in the same position as Kakashi is now. Not one of the past Hokage could keep up to what Naruto and Sasuke are doing. But please, let's all gang-up on Kakashi for not being able to do anything in the current state the chapter is in because Naruto is doing it all...

P.S. I like to bold my quotes, so don't get ahead of yourself and try and act like a smart-ass. Thanks.

LOL you're all over the place.

How does 1 fight that happened when Naruto was a kid affect his current potential candidacy as Hokage now? It doesn't. We're in a war right now, not hundreds of pages back. You sure are reaching.

Kakashi did have the right to be depressed, he was depresed most of his life. But when he let that depression immobilize him during a war that basically decides the fate of everything, that's where he loses any shot at becoming hokage in my eyes.

Even Gaara is a better leader than Kakashi. His speech to the shinobi alliance before the war quelled most of the fighting and bickering that was going on. Gaara proves that a village can have a young leader, even if there is some lack of experience.

Kakashi's susano and powers are temporary, Obito said that himself. And even if u wanna ****ride on Kakashi's power, Sasuke poops on that idea. At this point the only thing Kakashi can serve as after the war is Naruto's advisor. Naruto's leadership abilities AND strength are miles ahead of what Kakashi could ever dream of.

The last leadership that Kakashi has shown was the fight against Edo 7 swordsmen of the mist. Thats very insignificant compared to what's going on now.

Also, since when does Obito, a war criminal and Madara impersonator get to hand pick the next Hokage?

It seems like you want us to ignore Naruto because you can't say anything as to why he wouldn't be a better leader than Kakashi. Well tough tits bro it doesn't work like that. Naruto is here to stay.

P.S. when I'm right, I can act like a smart-ass however I want.