[Discussion] Kakashi Hokage?

[valandil988]

I guess we can say that Kakashi is acknowledged by his friends as a worthy comrade and as a good leader. His strength is good but without the Sharingan its nothing special; on his own he is just on the level of a very experienced Jonin. Nothing in the Manga has suggested otherwise to us.

While Hokage are primarily leaders they also function as deterrents to other nations. People Like Minato and Hashirama were prime examples of this at work.

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Can we say that he is anywhere near on the level of acknowledgement that people like Naruto, Hashirama, Hiruzen, Minato and heck even Tobirama have gained?

All of these people are extraordinary leaders, by simple fact of their vision and the way they lived inspired respect and acknowledgment.

Is Kakashi an INSPIRING leader?

The difference between a Jonin commander and Hokage is this: VISION & INSPIRATION.

I would judge that while Kakashi is a good leader he does not inspire feats of will in others. He does not inspire others to greater feats to go that extra mile. People like Naruto and the other Hokage however do.

For example, do people believe and place faith in Kakashi? I'm not convinced that they do.

Kakashi is a follower, he followed Obito, he followed Minato, he follows Naruto....

This is a fact, it doesn't take anything away from his character thats just who he is. I think Kishimoto is trying to make Kakashi into something he isn't.

 

[Geeserock]

I guess we can say that Kakashi is acknowledged by his friends as a worthy comrade and as a good leader. His strength is good but without the Sharingan its nothing special; on his own he is just on the level of a very experienced Jonin. Nothing in the Manga has suggested otherwise to us.

While Hokage are primarily leaders they also function as deterrents to other nations. People Like Minato and Hashirama were prime examples of this at work.

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Can we say that he is anywhere near on the level of acknowledgement that people like Naruto, Hashirama, Hiruzen, Minato and heck even Tobirama have gained?

All of these people are extraordinary leaders, by simple fact of their vision and the way they lived inspired respect and acknowledgment.

Is Kakashi an INSPIRING leader?

The difference between a Jonin commander and Hokage is this: VISION & INSPIRATION.

I would judge that while Kakashi is a good leader he does not inspire feats of will in others. He does not inspire others to greater feats to go that extra mile. People like Naruto and the other Hokage however do.

For example, do people believe and place faith in Kakashi? I'm not convinced that they do.

Kakashi is a follower, he followed Obito, he followed Minato, he follows Naruto....

This is a fact, it doesn't take anything away from his character thats just who he is. I think Kishimoto is trying to make Kakashi into something he isn't.

He inspired Naruto himself. Naruto's way is the way Kakashi believed in and he passed it to Naruto. "Those who blah blah..... worst than trash." I think this is what Naruto's ninja way now.

 

[loj]

I think Iruka has some hands in this too

He inspired Naruto himself. Naruto's way is the way Kakashi believed in and he passed it to Naruto. "Those who blah blah..... worst than trash." I think this is what Naruto's ninja way now.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Kakashi's leadership leaves a hell of a lot to be desired. He couldn't even manage a team of 3 kids, how is he supposed to be a good enough leader to manage an entire village?

 

[Draxus]

Yeah nothing special about Kakashi w/o sharingan... except making Jonin as a preteen.

 

[Legendary Sannin]

Kakashi is a better candidate than Naruto... I mean a 16 year old little boy, cmon. Just like Obito said Naruto would be more fit as the seventh. Kakashi is very intelligent, it's not all about being the strongest, I mean look at Tsunade.

 

[B00m]

Can't argue with him not having the power of Hokage but is that necessary? It's been shown that the first 3 Hokage were the strongest in the village but Minato wasn't necessarily stronger than Jiraiya, and Tsunade wasn't really the strongest either.

Where he didn't have the mindset of being Hokage in the past, with him having closure with Obito he could become a good candidate. As others have said he molded Naruto to what he is today. I can't think of him wanting anything else but to become Hokage and pass on (young) Obito's will of fire.

 

[Gagster]

I agree, no one know's Kakashi. He's just some relic from the 3rd war and is famous for being his fathers son. Gaara, Ay,Ohnoki,and Mei don't respect him or admire him half as much as they do Naruto.

 

[KRZYNASTY]

I guess we can say that Kakashi is acknowledged by his friends as a worthy comrade and as a good leader. His strength is good but without the Sharingan its nothing special; on his own he is just on the level of a very experienced Jonin. Nothing in the Manga has suggested otherwise to us.

While Hokage are primarily leaders they also function as deterrents to other nations. People Like Minato and Hashirama were prime examples of this at work.

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Can we say that he is anywhere near on the level of acknowledgement that people like Naruto, Hashirama, Hiruzen, Minato and heck even Tobirama have gained?

All of these people are extraordinary leaders, by simple fact of their vision and the way they lived inspired respect and acknowledgment.

Is Kakashi an INSPIRING leader?

The difference between a Jonin commander and Hokage is this: VISION & INSPIRATION.

I would judge that while Kakashi is a good leader he does not inspire feats of will in others. He does not inspire others to greater feats to go that extra mile. People like Naruto and the other Hokage however do.

For example, do people believe and place faith in Kakashi? I'm not convinced that they do.

Kakashi is a follower, he followed Obito, he followed Minato, he follows Naruto....

This is a fact, it doesn't take anything away from his character thats just who he is. I think Kishimoto is trying to make Kakashi into something he isn't.

I think you're underestimating Kakashi just a tad bit.

Kakashi has always been one of those characters that we haven't really seen much in terms of what he really wants in his life. He's always been that cool and down to earth guy that frankly seemed like he could care less about what the future held for him. But that does not make him one that couldn't have vision and inspiration. In fact, inspiration is something that he's has shown to have and even passed down to Naruto, who, at this moment has taken that lesson and made it his own. The only thing that we have not seen with Kakashi is vision, but that was partly due to him keeping himself distant and really closed off to the world in all of Part I and most of Part II.

Also, how is he not someone people can place their faith in? When they were choosing the replacement Hokage for Tsunade Kakashi's name was mentioned. Sure, it was a detour to not have Danzo become the sixth, but even the Feudal Lord for the Land of Fire highly praised Kakashi for his work and placed his faith in him. If the Feudal Lord placed his faith in Kakashi as a perfect replacement for Tsunade, then I am sure that the rest of the village would have done the same (especially that most of them knew what kind of ninja he was and who trained him).

Finally, Kishi isn't making Kakashi into anything we haven't already seen him to be capable of. He is a strong, calm and level headed Jounin who, no matter how difficult the task, does what is right for his comrades and for the village. That is what and who Kakashi is and that is what he is showing as of right now. It may be over the top (especially busting out a Susano'O so quickly), but we will finally see what Kakshi is and has always been capable of.

I am excited honestly to see where Kishi is going with Kakashi now.

 

[KRZYNASTY]

Gaara, Ay,Ohnoki,and Mei don't respect him or admire him half as much as they do Naruto.

Where is stated that those characters have no respect or admire him?

If the Raikage took the time to acknowledge Kakashi when he saw him, then I am sure that the others on this list do as well. Just because we haven't seen any of them make googly-eyes and drool over Naruto, doesn't make him less respected and admired by these people, especially since it was never stated they didn't.

 

[Queequeg]

Kakashi has zero chance of becoming hokage. He is not nearly strong enough. Naruto and Lord Sasuke already surpassed him eons ago and Sakura is his only student that he's vastly ahead of.

 

[trollkingx]

Kakashi has zero chance of becoming hokage. He is not nearly strong enough. Naruto and Lord Sasuke already surpassed him eons ago and Sakura is his only student that he's vastly ahead of.

because lord sauce would be hokage???

 

[valandil988]

I think you're underestimating Kakashi just a tad bit.

Kakashi has always been one of those characters that we haven't really seen much in terms of what he really wants in his life. He's always been that cool and down to earth guy that frankly seemed like he could care less about what the future held for him. But that does not make him one that couldn't have vision and inspiration. In fact, inspiration is something that he's has shown to have and even passed down to Naruto, who, at this moment has taken that lesson and made it his own. The only thing that we have not seen with Kakashi is vision, but that was partly due to him keeping himself distant and really closed off to the world in all of Part I and most of Part II.

Also, how is he not someone people can place their faith in? When they were choosing the replacement Hokage for Tsunade Kakashi's name was mentioned. Sure, it was a detour to not have Danzo become the sixth, but even the Feudal Lord for the Land of Fire highly praised Kakashi for his work and placed his faith in him. If the Feudal Lord placed his faith in Kakashi as a perfect replacement for Tsunade, then I am sure that the rest of the village would have done the same (especially that most of them knew what kind of ninja he was and who trained him).

Finally, Kishi isn't making Kakashi into anything we haven't already seen him to be capable of. He is a strong, calm and level headed Jounin who, no matter how difficult the task, does what is right for his comrades and for the village. That is what and who Kakashi is and that is what he is showing as of right now. It may be over the top (especially busting out a Susano'O so quickly), but we will finally see what Kakshi is and has always been capable of.

I am excited honestly to see where Kishi is going with Kakashi now.

I can understand your points. Let me just pick out a couple of things that interested me.

In order of bolded:

1. Kakashi took Obito's lesson and passed it to Naruto, in my opinion that isn't Kakashi's own wisdom or inspiration that is Obito teaching Naruto through Kakashi. Kakashi has not been shown to have any ground chaking ideas or ambitions or dreams to truly put his will behind. He is not a mover he is a follower. He has followed all the great leaders of his time. The third, fouth and fifth.

2. That makes him sound like Madara keeping himself aloof and distant. You can't create a charismatic appeal over night. It takes years to build love and respect for a leader. If he sat around doing missions and reading porn in his free time it doesn't exactly engender any kind of good will from the people. Ie If he isn't acknowledged ie LOVED by the people he can't become Hokage. Same problem with Madara originally, while he was more than qualified in everything that mattered the people didn't love him. If anything the people would be indifference and apathetic to Kakashi.

3. & 4. The fuedal lord didn't even care who Kakashi was until he was stated to be the son of the white fang and the student of Minato. So that doesn't hold any weight with me.

5.Yes everything a good Jonin needs, but its not a Jonin position he is filling, its Hokage, and by defualt being Hokage needs something more than what Kakashi is presenting. He needs to make people believe that with him there leading them that they can and will overcome anything. Sorry but he doesn't do that Naruto, Hashirama, Tobirama, Minato they all have that same presence that makes them Hokage. Kakashi? Not so much.

Can't argue with him not having the power of Hokage but is that necessary? It's been shown that the first 3 Hokage were the strongest in the village but Minato wasn't necessarily stronger than Jiraiya, and Tsunade wasn't really the strongest either.

Where he didn't have the mindset of being Hokage in the past, with him having closure with Obito he could become a good candidate. As others have said he molded Naruto to what he is today. I can't think of him wanting anything else but to become Hokage and pass on (young) Obito's will of fire.

Possibly but Power will always be necessary to defend your home its the whole Yin Yang idea. Gain power but for the RIGHT reasons. If he got attacked for example by Orochimaru without his Sharingan it would likely end in Kakashi's defeat. Losing your Hokage in such a way much like the third was lost.

The hokage should be able to see off all enemies that his comrades cannot. That's what Naruto meant by walking down the unknown path and bearing all the pain for all those that follow.

Kakashi has zero chance of becoming hokage. He is not nearly strong enough. Naruto and Lord Sasuke already surpassed him eons ago and Sakura is his only student that he's vastly ahead of.

Sorry but even Sakura is better than Kakashi without his sharingan....Her techniques trump anything he can bring to bare. Just as base Kakashi can't beat Tsunade.

 

[trollkingx]

I can understand your points. Let me just pick out a couple of things that interested me.

In order of bolded:

1. Kakashi took Obito's lesson and passed it to Naruto, in my opinion that isn't Kakashi's own wisdom or inspiration that is Obito teaching Naruto through Kakashi. Kakashi has not been shown to have any ground chaking ideas or ambitions or dreams to truly put his will behind. He is not a mover he is a follower. He has followed all the great leaders of his time. The third, fouth and fifth.

2. That makes him sound like Madara keeping himself aloof and distant. You can't create a charismatic appeal over night. It takes years to build love and respect for a leader. If he sat around doing missions and reading porn in his free time it doesn't exactly engender any kind of good will from the people. Ie If he isn't acknowledged ie LOVED by the people he can't become Hokage. Same problem with Madara originally, while he was more than qualified in everything that mattered the people didn't love him. If anything the people would be indifference and apathetic to Kakashi.

3. & 4. The fuedal lord didn't even care who Kakashi was until he was stated to be the son of the white fang and the student of Minato. So that doesn't hold any weight with me.

5.Yes everything a good Jonin needs, but its not a Jonin position he is filling, its Hokage, and by defualt being Hokage needs something more than what Kakashi is presenting. He needs to make people believe that with him there leading them that they can and will overcome anything. Sorry but he doesn't do that Naruto, Hashirama, Tobirama, Minato they all have that same presence that makes them Hokage. Kakashi? Not so much.



Possibly but Power will always be necessary to defend your home its the whole Yin Yang idea. Gain power but for the RIGHT reasons. If he got attacked for example by Orochimaru without his Sharingan it would likely end in Kakashi's defeat. Losing your Hokage in such a way much like the third was lost.

The hokage should be able to see off all enemies that his comrades cannot. That's what Naruto meant by walking down the unknown path and bearing all the pain for all those that follow.



Sorry but even Sakura is better than Kakashi without his sharingan....Her techniques trump anything he can bring to bare. Just as base Kakashi can't beat Tsunade.

but Kakashi could be a mentor to Naruto. its not about power

 

[valandil988]

but Kakashi could be a mentor to Naruto. its not about power

Naruto could be Hokage, and Kakashi could help advise him.

One isn't a leader in a vacuum no leader is. Naruto would be groomed and guided over time. Its not necessary to have a interim sixth hokage.

 

[trollkingx]

Naruto could be Hokage, and Kakashi could help advise him.

One isn't a leader in a vacuum no leader is. Naruto would be groomed and guided over time. Its not necessary to have a interim sixth hokage.

perhaps but kakashi and naruto could both be hokages in that case

 

[KRZYNASTY]

Naruto could be Hokage, and Kakashi could help advise him.

One isn't a leader in a vacuum no leader is. Naruto would be groomed and guided over time. Its not necessary to have a interim sixth hokage.

But if you're going to have Kakshi groom Naruto (which would be for a long time), then wouldn't that be the same as Kakashi being the 6th Hokage and Naruto being an Advisor?

 

[Angelic.]

kakashi may seem laid back or unmotivated, but i think his closure with obito will help him thru it. kakashi never gave up and took no shortcuts. hes already been approached to be hokage before. he is well respected by others. no one will defy kakashi of the susanoo!!

 

[FourthSmokage]

Kakashi has had to have Naruto pick his sorry ass up like 3 times during this war.

Not a great candidate for Hokage, especially compared to Naruto.

 

[KRZYNASTY]

Kakashi has had to have Naruto pick his sorry ass up like 3 times during this war.

Not a great candidate for Hokage, especially compared to Naruto.

Okay...have you seen what they've been up against? They've been fighting Gods.

Also, the only reason Naruto has been picking up Kakashi's "sorry ass" is because he is/was nowhere near Madara's and Kaguya's power. Frankly, both Naruto and Sasuke would not have been able to go toe-to-toe with those two had he not gotten those power-ups. That's the only way he is able to save his "sorry ass."

Come up with a better excuse next time lawl.

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