Kakashi =Hiruzen now?

Uchicha Macho · May 10, 2014

Kakashi have natural intelligent as a shinobi,he analysis a better counter attack for obito and some other shinobi in the past (zabuza for example).In addition,kakashi copy 1000 jutsu in the past.Currently ,Kakashi lose his eyes from Madara but i believe he still have the knowledge of jutsu and elemental jutsu.If hiruzen can use all nature jutsu naturally,kakashi should also do it without his sharingan .This mean Kakashi is another version of Hiruzen or he is hiruzen at his prime now eventhough he do not possess sharingan?I not a kakashi fanboy(it obvious) so please be easy on me

Zealous Sparks · May 10, 2014

I'd probably put Hiruzen over Current Kakashi just because of Enma. But they probably do have similar repertoires of jutsu.

CloyEscapade · May 10, 2014

He's performed 1000 jutsu with his sharingan... It says he copied them not retained them, not sure he can still perform

ems susano · May 10, 2014

Alot of kakashi and hiruzen threads

Yuse · May 10, 2014

nah he might still be able to use the jutsu but at most hes a powered down hiruzen with better intellect

Sakuto · May 10, 2014

For him to have actually copied it he would've had to have seen it, and being the Hokage I don't really think he would've seen him in combat much. Even during the Chuunin exams attack Kakashi was busy dealing with the fake Anbu that had infiltrated the village (correct me if I'm wrong). Long story short, he technically could have copied some of his jutsu (except for the ones in which he did not have the chakra nature because he would know how to manipulate the chakra but would not be able to do it because he can't actually use that change in Chakra style) but not all of them.

Tl;dr nope.

Uchicha Macho · May 10, 2014

Kakashi hound probably equal to Ema.Another thing the jutsu that kakashi copy need hand sign which kakashi already recorded with his sharingan which connected to his memory

DoubleKamui · May 10, 2014

Uchicha Macho said:
Kakashi have natural intelligent as a shinobi,he analysis a better counter attack for obito and some other shinobi in the past (zabuza for example).In addition,kakashi copy 1000 jutsu in the past.Currently ,Kakashi lose his eyes from Madara but i believe he still have the knowledge of jutsu and elemental jutsu.If hiruzen can use all nature jutsu naturally,kakashi should also do it without his sharingan .This mean Kakashi is another version of Hiruzen or he is hiruzen at his prime now eventhough he do not possess sharingan?I not a kakashi fanboy(it obvious) so please be easy on me

No, Macho.

AWSUM SID · May 10, 2014

well he just copied the jutsus... there is no indication that he can use all of them at any time

Amazeballs · May 10, 2014

Kakashi and Hiruzen are closer in power than Hiruzen and Hashirama. Hiruzen hype is based off faulty logic, outdated part 1 statements, and general failure to accept the real manga.

Hiruzen isn't really that powerful. He's nowhere near top 10.

Holy Cross · May 10, 2014

Hiruzen knows 1000 Genjutsus alone.

ShinjuMadara · May 10, 2014

With the MS, he could probably take on old Hiruzen. He doesn't stand a chance if we're talking about prime hiruzen though

ItachiDaSoloKing · May 10, 2014

Uchicha Macho said:
Kakashi have natural intelligent as a shinobi,he analysis a better counter attack for obito and some other shinobi in the past (zabuza for example).In addition,kakashi copy 1000 jutsu in the past.Currently ,Kakashi lose his eyes from Madara but i believe he still have the knowledge of jutsu and elemental jutsu.If hiruzen can use all nature jutsu naturally,kakashi should also do it without his sharingan .This mean Kakashi is another version of Hiruzen or he is hiruzen at his prime now eventhough he do not possess sharingan?I not a kakashi fanboy(it obvious) so please be easy on me

I think they both have a good chance but kakashi's too smart and deadly so kakashi 60% of the time with High-Very High Difficulty.

Dantе · May 10, 2014

ultimately you mean current kakashi = prime hiruzen = fodder?
i think you just said that ms kakashi >> prime hiruzen lmao

ItachiDaSoloKing · May 10, 2014

Holy Cross said:
Hiruzen knows 1000 Genjutsus alone.

Wait you just openly admitted how stupid you are! Well at least no one has to remind you.

LuckyMan · May 10, 2014

Kakashi is not on Hiruzen level, not even close. Here is an example.

Same jutsu, the scale and power between a Kage and a Jounin. Kakashi had an earth source around him, Hiruzen did not and still created a huge wall with just a little bit of mud. Please.

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SolarSpider · May 10, 2014

Sir Blades of Chaos said:
It sounded exactly how I meant it, I like getting nasty.

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You are thirsty lol

OP: Kakashi and the 3rd are both intelligent ninja, who think things out. Kakashi is used to having the sharingan to assist him though, I think he will be below the 3rd until becomes accustomed to not having that fail safe.

FearxDeath · May 10, 2014

Uchicha Macho said:
Kakashi have natural intelligent as a shinobi,he analysis a better counter attack for obito and some other shinobi in the past (zabuza for example).In addition,kakashi copy 1000 jutsu in the past.Currently ,Kakashi lose his eyes from Madara but i believe he still have the knowledge of jutsu and elemental jutsu.If hiruzen can use all nature jutsu naturally,kakashi should also do it without his sharingan .This mean Kakashi is another version of Hiruzen or he is hiruzen at his prime now eventhough he do not possess sharingan?I not a kakashi fanboy(it obvious) so please be easy on me

Yes Kakashi should still be able to use the techniques he learned with the Sharingan. The Sharingan wasnt what gave him the ability to use said techniques, it is what allowed him to learn it. Think of it like this, if you go to school and learn math, and then get kicked out of school for non payment, do you forget math?

The Sharingan simply allowed him to see what needed to be done in order to perform said technique. His body then followed through, but once he already knows what to do, he no longer needs the sharingan. Hiruzen has already shown that you do not need any special ability to learn all 5 styles, its just a hard thing to learn. But some special traits make it easier to learn, once learned its yours, even if you lose the special trait.

startup97 · May 10, 2014

He belongs on the top 10 list. I don't care where. But he is top 10 material.
Once again I will explain why he is so powerful. The third man to share the title "God of Shinobi" alongside 2 beasts (Hashirama Senju and the Sage)

- - He is often referred to as "History's Strongest" and a "Genius"
- 「プロフェッサー●[...]里にある全ての術を知り尽くし、かつそれらを自在に使いこなすことに由来。」
- Named "The Professor: [...] The origin [of this nickname] lies in him knowing thoroughly all the jutsu that exist in the village and also being able to use them easily at will.'
- Anyone who is trusted by Hashirama and Tobirama to protect the village during the wars is bound to be powerful. It's common sense that he is worthy of the title Hokage since it was given to him by 2 monsters of Hokages. Learning the skills and knowledge from the 1st and 2nd, Hiruzen was able to get the village through 3 Great Shinobi World Wars. Having the longest reign of Hokage. 40+ Years.

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-An Old 5% Hiruzen sealing both 25% Edo Hokages with clones in complete darkness. Don't care how weak the Hokages were. Hiruzen was in a far off worse condition to fight. This is an excellent feat.

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-A battle exhausted Hiruzen with a part of his soul left easily disarming Orochimaru and speed owned him behind his blind side to catch him in close range. You can easily see with these scans that Orochimaru was actually pushed to try at the last second and looked quite frightened. This is THE Orochimaru who without arms was playing around with 4 Tailed Naruto.

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Using these scans, It would be possible that if Orochimaru didn't have his Edos, he would have been easily killed by Hiruzen.

- While having the sword of Kusangi pierced through him, Hiruzen was still able to hold Orochimaru's soul with the Reaper for an 1 hour long showing extreme willpower!

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-Speed feats are beautiful keeping up with Hashirama and Tobirama at the same time.

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-The Hokages are easily praised by both Naruto and Sasuke. The statement obviously includes Hiruzen. By Sasuke's own admission. " Looks like they're not just talk after all" should be enough.

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Can use all of Konoha's non KKG techniques which includes the Ino–Shika–Chō with Kage Bunshins.
Despite many on the Base saying that he cannot, Manga disagrees as Orochimaru (Hiruzen student) states his ability for "Knowing and being able to use all the jutsu that exist in the Leaf"
This includes mastery over all 5 elements to a godly extent and mastery of all forms of shinobi combat.

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Proof. Here Hiruzen is clearly able to use the Inuzuka Clan's enhanced sense of smell as shown in this scan.

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Therefore proving that Hiruzen is able to use all the techniques in the village which includes the famous Ino–Shika–Chō which can be easily used by Hiruzen with clones. =D

-Prime Hiruzen can completely negate all Ninjutsu using Technique Neutralizer.

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Example of what would happen.

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-Kabuto who has spied in many various countries of the Shinobi world even said that he was the strongest out of the 5 Kage despite his old age!

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Danzo admitted inferiority to Hiruzen despite having the cells of Hashirama, Izanagi and Kotoamatsukami from the eye of Shisui.

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The Solo King believes in the 3rd's power to protect Sasuke. Only someone whom Itachi respects is enough.

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Believe in the Hype.
Believe in the Hype!

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Iruka, Ch.94
「三代目は　特に歴代の中でも最強�� 言われポロフェッサーと呼ばれた�� だったんだぞ！」
"The sandaime, in particular, was a genius nicknamed the 'Professor,' and was called the strongest of all the Hokage".

the Sandaime was the strongest.

Databook 1, Page 117
"プロフェッサー"と崇められる歴�� 最強の火影

The "Professor" revered as the strongest Hokage in history.

Databook 1, Page 119
"歴代最強""天才"など,三代目火影�� 形容する言葉はに満ちている.

"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.

DB2 Pg 84
Konohamaru paragraph:
歴代最強の火影と謳われた、三代目�� 血を継ぐ木ノ葉丸。“木ノ葉崩し�� より敬愛する祖父を失い、その�� は悲しみに覆われる。だが必ずや里を�� る大樹に成長するであろう。果て�� 標の祖父を目指して・・・！！Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

Chuggs · May 10, 2014

Don't compare Kakashi to the lowly likes of Fodderuzen.
Kakashi solos low dif.

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