Kakashi Hatake vs Tobirama Senju

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Location: Pain vs Kakashi

Distance: 20 Meters

Intel: Manga

Intent: To Kill

Restrictions: See Scenarios, Neither are Edo

Scenario 1: Kakashi is 3T, Tobirama can't use FTG

Scenario 2: Kakashi has Kamui, Tobirama has FTG

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[Katsumi Ren]

Tobirama wins in both counts. You're comparing Kakashi to someone who madara admitted was on his level back when they were alive and before all the rinnegan/stole hashirama cells/ 10 tails shenanigans.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Hypothetical Kakashi beats FTG-less Tobirama until we see something outside the scope of FTG.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

By hype tobirama shits

By feats

1. situation id give it to Kakashi high diff cuz tobirama can't use ET or FTg that's what his moveset seems to revolve around

On feat like minato tobirama isn't that fast at least to put him > Kakashi who is a speedy person as well

From what I've seen I would have put tobirama > Kakashi in terms of taijutsu but he doesn't have FTg so id give it to Kakashi

Kakashi needs to put him down because tobirama has more stamina and chakra then him and I believe Kakashi can land raikari being tht FTg is out of situation not to mention Kakashi can read his movements via 3 tomoe and has enough speed to dodge suiton that Tobi has shown


2. Situation
Tobirama should mid diff him
Kamoi is not really factor cuz he can just use FTg
With FTg he is way faster then Kakashi and can dodge everything he throws at him
Kakashi also can't fight for long due to terrible chakra and stamina (well not terrible like itachi but average and all his Jutsu cost a lot)

Reaction speed plays good part in avoiding raikari


I will just say one thing Kakashi has good knowledge on FTg or he should so Thts why it's mid diff

 

[RicardoA]

Tobirama snatches his Sharingan and implants it in his arm just like his apprentice Danzo... on both scenarios.

 

[Katsumi Ren]

By hype tobirama shits

By feats

1. situation id give it to Kakashi high diff cuz tobirama can't use ET or FTg that's what his moveset seems to revolve around

On feat like minato tobirama isn't that fast at least to put him > Kakashi who is a speedy person as well

From what I've seen I would have put tobirama > Kakashi in terms of taijutsu but he doesn't have FTg so id give it to Kakashi

Kakashi needs to put him down because tobirama has more stamina and chakra then him and I believe Kakashi can land raikari being tht FTg is out of situation not to mention Kakashi can read his movements via 3 tomoe and has enough speed to dodge suiton that Tobi has shown


2. Situation
Tobirama should mid diff him
Kamoi is not really factor cuz he can just use FTg
With FTg he is way faster then Kakashi and can dodge everything he throws at him
Kakashi also can't fight for long due to terrible chakra and stamina (well not terrible like itachi but average and all his Jutsu cost a lot)

Reaction speed plays good part in avoiding raikari


I will just say one thing Kakashi has good knowledge on FTg or he should so Thts why it's mid diff

Tobirama grew up alongside Hashirama and they spent their whole life fighting uchihas including ones with the mangekyou, I'm pretty sure he can handle the 3 tomoes of someone who isn't even an uchiha which has been stated to make everything about the sharingan weaker and more expensive.

Also, why does everyone forget the massive water style techniqes he does with one seal that made everyone call him 'the greatest water user in history' ...or the other techniques he invented like edo tensai, or kage bunshin.

FTG wasn't the only thing he ever used you know, it just makes fights against fodder characters much faster and can catch people off guard to make plays. Minato was the one who seemed to only know how to move 10 feet if he had a FTG seal planted there.

 

[Bronze]

Kakashi wins in both scenario.​

 

[LustyLover]

Tobirama med diff on both scenarios.

 

[Kamui Sama]

Kakashi scenario 1 high diff

Tobirama scenario 2 high diff I suppose

 

[LustyLover]

Edo Tensei isn't restricted.

 

[Apêx1]

Tobirama takes both scenario's. Scenario one high diff and scenario two low-mid diff.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Tobirama grew up alongside Hashirama and they spent their whole life fighting uchihas including ones with the mangekyou, I'm pretty sure he can handle the 3 tomoes of someone who isn't even an uchiha which has been stated to make everything about the sharingan weaker and more expensive.

Also, why does everyone forget the massive water style techniqes he does with one seal that made everyone call him 'the greatest water user in history' ...or the other techniques he invented like edo tensai, or kage bunshin.

FTG wasn't the only thing he ever used you know, it just makes fights against fodder characters much faster and can catch people off guard to make plays. Minato was the one who seemed to only know how to move 10 feet if he had a FTG seal planted there.

Dude going by feats not hype we dnt know how many MS users were there honestly it was only stated tht madara and Izuna achieved it so tht comment is invalid

Ok the whole water style thing let's be honest by feats kisame and Trollkage> tobirama in terms of water style hell even mei and yagura can give him run in tht department


Once again dude without FTg feat wise tobirama hasn't shown anything impressive aside from his great reaction speed

 

[Gold Lightning]

With Kakashi's knowledge on his sensei's FTG, an inferior version won't work on him. Kakashi is also fast and his sharingan/MS allows him to keep up fine. Water style is useless since Kakashi can either copy it or defend it with earth release (not that water has ever killed anybody anyway). Tobirama may have faced a lot of sharingan users but Kakashi's skill with the sharingans surpasses many uchiha. I don't see Kakashi losing with kamui. I can actually see them bo killing each other, Kakashi lands a fatal Lightining blade while Tobirama also stabs him using FTG slash as they both pierce each other.

3T Kakashi vs ftg less Tobirama can go either way but I'd put my money on Kakashi based on overall feats.

 

[Tobby17]

nothing in Kakashi's arsenal is even fast enough to hit Tobirama, yeah Kakashi starts off with lightning clones, but Tobirama has been shown to use Shadow clones too, and he'll most likely start off with them too, seeing as he's an opportunist sort of, plus why else will he create the justu. Kakashi without Kamui isn't beating Tobirama, and if Tobirama can't beat him, he simply outlasts him..


scenario two, I'm giving to Tobirama too, FTG is the best counter for Kamui.

 

[Inert Brian]

Kakashi wins scenario 1 with med difficulty.

Tobirama wins scenario 2 with med difficulty.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

1. Kakashi wins, until we see more of Tobirama without FTG.

2. Kakashi wins also. His version of Kamui > Tobirama's version of FTG

 

[Katsumi Ren]

Dude going by feats not hype we dnt know how many MS users were there honestly it was only stated tht madara and Izuna achieved it so tht comment is invalid

Ok the whole water style thing let's be honest by feats kisame and Trollkage> tobirama in terms of water style hell even mei and yagura can give him run in tht department


Once again dude without FTg feat wise tobirama hasn't shown anything impressive aside from his great reaction speed

In the battle Kabuto vs uchiha bros, itachi explains that izanagi usage was so rampant in his clan that someone had to invent izanami just to deal with it.

Those are both forbidden MS techniques, so clearly it wasn't particularly rare to have MS back in the day.

 

[Touken]

Pretty sure Tobirama can beat Kakashi without FTG, but going by feats, Kakashi wins.

Tobirama wins scenario 2.

 

[Black Wolf]

Izanagi is not a Mangekyo Sharingan technique given that Danzo's arm of Sharingans were all three-tomoe. Izanami was utilized by Itachi when he had his Mangekyo active, but it wasn't evidenced as necessary; he just happened to have his Mangekyo active when his eye was sacrified.

 

[Katsumi Ren]

Izanagi is not a Mangekyo Sharingan technique given that Danzo's arm of Sharingans were all three-tomoe. Izanami was utilized by Itachi when he had his Mangekyo active, but it wasn't evidenced as necessary; he just happened to have his Mangekyo active when his eye was sacrified.

I specifically remember in the flashback explanation about them, everyone who was using Izanagi had the mangekyou.

That might have only been in the anime though, I can't remember.