Kakashi Has PS

[Jiraiyathesannin]

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Very few fanbases target a specific character to hate. I suppose you could say for example that the itachi fanbase seems to hate the sasukefanbase etc.

However, there is one character who has become the target of hate from SEVERAL fanbases. This, is the 6th hokage Kakashi.

Almost all of the uchiha fanbases seem to really hate kakashi lately. And it makes sense. Much of his power and fame came from something native to the uchihas.

Thats why the obito fanbase, madara fanbase, sasuke fanbase, and the itachi fanbase in general seem to bare resentment to the 6th.

So they were VERY pissed when kakashi briefly had one of the strongest susano'os we've ever seen, and even MORE GLAD that he lost his sharingan.


However, as a member of the now dwindling kakashi fanbase, I feel obligated to share with you some counter logic.

I'll take something you've been parading for a long time and use it againts you..

Do you remember when gaara trapped madara in his sand prison? and he used susano'o to break out? Even though he had no eyes?

Although some of us considered this to be an error, the uchiha fanbases determined "you don't need sharingan to perform susano'o. You just need them to learn it" Although that makes little sense that ONLY the technique doesn't require sharingan to perform, i'll go with it.

however if you accept THAT logic, it follows that kakashi (as he is currently 6th hokage) can still use susano'o (baring chakra restraints).

Not that i'm fond of this logic, but in order to say that THIS isn't true, you must admit madara's was an error.

Just thought i'd point this out.

Thoughts?

 

[Sage konohamaru]

#mangafact no argument

 

[Angelic.]

thatd be cool. kakashi of the susanoo lol

he needs the uchiha chakra

 

[Ansatsuken]

Tl:dr

And Kakashi is not an Uchiha.

And all his sharingan power goes back to Obito

 

[Draphsin]

It's the chakra that allows one to perform susanoo. When obito's chakra left kakashi & entered the pure world susanoo went w/ it.

 

[Everztar]

Do you remember when gaara trapped madara in his sand prison? and he used susano'o to break out? Even though he had no eyes?
Thoughts?

Thoughts: Madara wasn't Rinne Tensei'd by the time he was "trapped in gaara's sand prison" and therefore still had his eyes due to still having his Edo Tensei body

 

[Ansatsuken]

Thoughts: Madara wasn't Rinne Tensei'd by the time he was "trapped in gaara's sand prison" and therefore still had his eyes due to still having his Edo Tensei body

I think he meant Shukaku sand seal

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[Everztar]

I think he meant Shukaku sand seal

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ok, new thought:
Madara made Zetsu
Zetsu had Madara's eye at this time
Madara is linked to Zetsu
therefore Madara can use his eye?

that's my safest guess

 

[HashiraMadara SenjUchiha]

this was when Madara fought 5 kages right? Madara wasn't alive... therefore he had Edo eyes xD
BUT... yes, Madara has used sharingan techniques without eyes, but not in this scenario

no this was rinnetenseid madara when he was trying to capture the bijuu (he is alive here)

anyways to the point! Kakashi used PS because of only obito and rikudou chakra and when obtio's time was up kakashi lost the ability

 

[Wparker6804]

IF YOU WANT TO SKIP TO THE POINT, JUST LOOK AT THE RED BELOW FOR THE TL;DR

Spoiler

Very few fanbases target a specific character to hate. I suppose you could say for example that the itachi fanbase seems to hate the sasukefanbase etc.

However, there is one character who has become the target of hate from SEVERAL fanbases. This, is the 6th hokage Kakashi.

Almost all of the uchiha fanbases seem to really hate kakashi lately. And it makes sense. Much of his power and fame came from something native to the uchihas.

Thats why the obito fanbase, madara fanbase, sasuke fanbase, and the itachi fanbase in general seem to bare resentment to the 6th.

So they were VERY pissed when kakashi briefly had one of the strongest susano'os we've ever seen, and even MORE GLAD that he lost his sharingan.


However, as a member of the now dwindling kakashi fanbase, I feel obligated to share with you some counter logic.

I'll take something you've been parading for a long time and use it againts you..

Do you remember when gaara trapped madara in his sand prison? and he used susano'o to break out? Even though he had no eyes?

Although some of us considered this to be an error, the uchiha fanbases determined "you don't need sharingan to perform susano'o. You just need them to learn it" Although that makes little sense that ONLY the technique doesn't require sharingan to perform, i'll go with it.

however if you accept THAT logic, it follows that kakashi (as he is currently 6th hokage) can still use susano'o (baring chakra restraints).

Not that i'm fond of this logic, but in order to say that THIS isn't true, you must admit madara's was an error.

Just thought i'd point this out.

Thoughts?

Thinking it out rather well (logic and Manga facts) and making it clear that it may not be true (fair minded & NOT starting a troll thread or being a troll) in addition to your sig (mostly the sig) I'd say +rep. I still think Madara using Susano'o was a troll move on Kishi's part (let's be fair--he backed Madara into a corner).

 

[Everztar]

no this was rinnetenseid madara when he was trying to capture the bijuu (he is alive here)

anyways to the point! Kakashi used PS because of only obito and rikudou chakra and when obtio's time was up kakashi lost the ability

yeah i edited it, i re-read the manga to find the location where he actually did it, and this was it =p i got it all mixed up haha!

 

[Aznkidd]

I saw some jimmies roaming free again.
This is manga fact. The susanoo awakened by 2 MS combined to form a susanoo pattern, after that, the user just needs to manifest his chakra through that pattern and performs Susanoo. We have never seen any1 perform susanoo with 1ms awaken or none. But we have seen many character perform susanoo w/o any eye or not activate the ms during the performance.

 

[Rohan]

Uchihas have a special chakra in thier brains. This chakra gets stored in the eyes and is used for Doujutsus. In Madara's case; he didn't have the eyes, but the special chakra in the brain was there for the Doujutsu to activate. In Kakashi's case; he had the Sharingan; where the special chakra was already stored and was augmented by his own chakra.

Current Kakashi does not have the Special Chakra in his brain, nor does he have the Sharingan; so he can't use PS.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I saw some jimmies roaming free again.
This is manga fact. The susanoo awakened by 2 MS combined to form a susanoo pattern, after that, the user just needs to manifest his chakra through that pattern and performs Susanoo. We have never seen any1 perform susanoo with 1ms awaken or none. But we have seen many character perform susanoo w/o any eye or not activate the ms during the performance.

But most of the characters that perform it was originally an Uchiha but Kakshi is not an Uchiha plus all of his Uchiha chakra(Sharingan) is went with Obito to Pure World.

And actually Its Obito chakra that Kakashi borrowed and control to performed Susanoo and other Obito's MS techniques

 

[Aznkidd]

But most of the characters that perform it was originally an Uchiha but Kakshi is not an Uchiha plus all of his Uchiha chakra(Sharingan) is went with Obito to Pure World.

That is just your theory, but here is the paralel.
If applying to your theory, kakashi should not has access to anything at all, but still he managed to perform sharingan better than almost all uchiha, awaken MS, perform MS ability, all of those thing w/o uchiha chakra. You cannot say oh that is that...

 

[Xāvî1]

Kakashi has nothing now he is same as sakura now!

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[Ansatsuken]

That is just your theory, but here is the paralel.
If applying to your theory, kakashi should not has access to anything at all, but still he managed to perform sharingan better than almost all uchiha, awaken MS, perform MS ability, all of those thing w/o uchiha chakra. You cannot say oh that is that...

Your parallel theory can be applied only if Kakashi is an Uchiha or he still has both Obito's eyes.

Kakashi eyes when he awaken MS still have connection with Obito chakra. Because of Obito saw rin death, he awaken MS and it effect Kakashi's Sharingan eye also.

You see after Kaguya arc. All sharingan and Obito's chakra went with Obito and I don't think any Uchiha chakra left inside Kakashi body

 

[Aznkidd]

Your parallel theory can be applied only if Kakashi is an Uchiha or he still has both Obito's eyes.

Kakashi eyes when he awaken MS still have connection with Obito chakra. Because of Obito saw rin death, he awaken MS and it effect Kakashi's Sharingan eye also.

You see after Kaguya arc. All sharingan and Obito's chakra went with Obito and I don't think any Uchiha chakra left inside Kakashi body

There is no concrete fact to support that theory. Just like few years ago around the first battle btw kakashi and itachi, people tried to convince that is kakashi limit + itachi statement (about his excusive bloodline). But in the end kakashi still beyond those so called limitness

 

[Endles Waltz]

There is a huge difference between being an Uchiha, and a trans-migrant of Indra, and being an ordinary person with a borrowed eye that you do not currently posses.

The legend that is Uchiha Madara has Uchiha chakra running through his veins, he is the trans-migrant of Indra, - the original user of Susanoo and the owner of the most potent chakra in NV - , and he awakened and has been using Susanoo for years.

You cannot compare the 2, Kakashi does not have Susanoo, and Madara's eyeless feat was not a mistake.

(P.S. Sorry if this sounds harsh but the Hokage currently is Naruto, the 7th, Kakashi just kept the seat warm for a few years.)

 

[Char Aznable]

If Kakashi has PS, then why did he look so fodder in The Last?

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Look at his face. It screams "rescue me". Kakashi is the same as Sakura now. Screaming for Naruto or Sasuke to come save him.