chopstickchakra
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The main premise I want to go over is that Kakashi DOES have 4 of the 5 chakra natures and it IS NOT because of the sharingan. Yes I know it's a bit of text I thank those who take the time. If you want to verify anything you can check here,
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Firstly I will argue that Kakshi did not gain these chakra natures through his sharingan because no other sharingan user has chakra natures like Kakashi, not even Obito who shares the eye with him. Sasuke has Lightning and Fire, Itachi has Fire and Water and Obito has Earth Fire and Water. This may not mean much to some but to me it's the first clue that the sharingan is not responsible for him having the chakra natures, I only say this because before people were saying Kakashi could do anymove with the sharingan and he would copy the chakra nature of the move. When I countered with then he could learn RasenShuriken(which he can't) they said if he had to he would.
Secondly I need to talk about the Sharingan a little bit(and this is where I will lose a lot of you) The sharingan literally translates to "Copy Wheel Eye" but the Viz manga meaning is "mirror(this is important later) wheel eye"
The Sharingan's abilities consist of two parts: the "Eye of Insight" and the "Eye of Hypnotism"(which I said in another post and people lost their shit over yelling blasphemy on my part for calling kakashi a "hypnotist ninja" a term I never used)
The first of the Sharingan's powers is being able to see the flow of chakra. The Sharingan itself gives colour to chakra, allowing the wielder to differentiate them. They are also able to tell if a person is under a genjutsu because the person's chakra flow would be irregular. The Sharingan's second-most prominent ability grants the user an incredible clarity of perception, allowing them to easily recognise genjutsu and different forms of chakra, though not to the same extent as the Byakugan. This also allows the user to pick up on subtle details, enabling them to read lip movements or mimic something like pencil movements. As the Sharingan evolves, gaining more tomoe, this ability extends to being able to track fast-moving objects before finally giving some amount of predictive capabilities to the user, allowing them to see the image of an attacker's next move from the slightest muscle tension in their body and counter-attack or dodge without any wasted movement. However, even though the user may be able to see an attack or know it is coming, their body may not always have time to react.
This is the part where Mirror is important to the translation, This is the part of the Sharingnan most people call "copying" when it is truly mirroring.
The copying aspect of the sharingan is more accurate when thought of as a recording aspect. The Sharingan's third and most well-known ability is that it grants the user the ability to copy almost any technique that he or she witnesses, apart from other kekkei genkai techniques. The user can memorise ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu with near-perfect accuracy, allowing the user to use the techniques as their own, or even modify them to create their own new techniques, much like Sasuke Uchiha's Lion Combo. In order to reproduce a copied technique, however, one must have the necessary skill or ability to perform them. A prime example is Rock Lee's brand of taijutsu. While Sasuke was able to copy some of Lee's moves, they put a much more significant strain on him since he hadn't trained nearly as much as Lee had. In addition to physical skill and kekkei genkai techniques, the Sharingan cannot reproduce techniques dependent on other factors, such as summons that the user has not signed a contract with.
Sharingan allows a user to memorize an opponents actions and recall them later. Kakashi was a rare combination of someone who had witnessed many enemy jutsus and had the body speed to memorize and mirror his opponents actions within fractions of a second. But as this description explains if Kakashi did not have Water nature already then when he fought Zabuza he would not have been able to use Water dragon jutsu, also in that battle Many wrongly think Kakashi copied Zabuzas Water Dragon when really he used Genjutsu to make Zabuza cast water Dragon jutsu meaning Kakashi chose that jutsu in the battle not copied it and means he would need water nature to do so.
Edit: People keep mentioning Rasengan so The Rasengan was designed to use the caster's elemental affinities. Minato was unable to add his affinities to his Rasengan before he died, while Kakashi Hatake tried to add his lightning element to his Rasengan, but was unable to and explains that he created the Chidori and Lightning Cutter instead, which require a certain point of shape and nature manipulation itself. Seems Kakashi didn't add lightning to the Rasengan like most people think.
Also on a side note are we ever gonna see Minato's Nature type/s?
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A link to a similar post that had information and opinions I may have forgot to mention.
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Firstly I will argue that Kakshi did not gain these chakra natures through his sharingan because no other sharingan user has chakra natures like Kakashi, not even Obito who shares the eye with him. Sasuke has Lightning and Fire, Itachi has Fire and Water and Obito has Earth Fire and Water. This may not mean much to some but to me it's the first clue that the sharingan is not responsible for him having the chakra natures, I only say this because before people were saying Kakashi could do anymove with the sharingan and he would copy the chakra nature of the move. When I countered with then he could learn RasenShuriken(which he can't) they said if he had to he would.
Secondly I need to talk about the Sharingan a little bit(and this is where I will lose a lot of you) The sharingan literally translates to "Copy Wheel Eye" but the Viz manga meaning is "mirror(this is important later) wheel eye"
The Sharingan's abilities consist of two parts: the "Eye of Insight" and the "Eye of Hypnotism"(which I said in another post and people lost their shit over yelling blasphemy on my part for calling kakashi a "hypnotist ninja" a term I never used)
The first of the Sharingan's powers is being able to see the flow of chakra. The Sharingan itself gives colour to chakra, allowing the wielder to differentiate them. They are also able to tell if a person is under a genjutsu because the person's chakra flow would be irregular. The Sharingan's second-most prominent ability grants the user an incredible clarity of perception, allowing them to easily recognise genjutsu and different forms of chakra, though not to the same extent as the Byakugan. This also allows the user to pick up on subtle details, enabling them to read lip movements or mimic something like pencil movements. As the Sharingan evolves, gaining more tomoe, this ability extends to being able to track fast-moving objects before finally giving some amount of predictive capabilities to the user, allowing them to see the image of an attacker's next move from the slightest muscle tension in their body and counter-attack or dodge without any wasted movement. However, even though the user may be able to see an attack or know it is coming, their body may not always have time to react.
This is the part where Mirror is important to the translation, This is the part of the Sharingnan most people call "copying" when it is truly mirroring.
The copying aspect of the sharingan is more accurate when thought of as a recording aspect. The Sharingan's third and most well-known ability is that it grants the user the ability to copy almost any technique that he or she witnesses, apart from other kekkei genkai techniques. The user can memorise ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu with near-perfect accuracy, allowing the user to use the techniques as their own, or even modify them to create their own new techniques, much like Sasuke Uchiha's Lion Combo. In order to reproduce a copied technique, however, one must have the necessary skill or ability to perform them. A prime example is Rock Lee's brand of taijutsu. While Sasuke was able to copy some of Lee's moves, they put a much more significant strain on him since he hadn't trained nearly as much as Lee had. In addition to physical skill and kekkei genkai techniques, the Sharingan cannot reproduce techniques dependent on other factors, such as summons that the user has not signed a contract with.
Sharingan allows a user to memorize an opponents actions and recall them later. Kakashi was a rare combination of someone who had witnessed many enemy jutsus and had the body speed to memorize and mirror his opponents actions within fractions of a second. But as this description explains if Kakashi did not have Water nature already then when he fought Zabuza he would not have been able to use Water dragon jutsu, also in that battle Many wrongly think Kakashi copied Zabuzas Water Dragon when really he used Genjutsu to make Zabuza cast water Dragon jutsu meaning Kakashi chose that jutsu in the battle not copied it and means he would need water nature to do so.
Edit: People keep mentioning Rasengan so The Rasengan was designed to use the caster's elemental affinities. Minato was unable to add his affinities to his Rasengan before he died, while Kakashi Hatake tried to add his lightning element to his Rasengan, but was unable to and explains that he created the Chidori and Lightning Cutter instead, which require a certain point of shape and nature manipulation itself. Seems Kakashi didn't add lightning to the Rasengan like most people think.
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Also on a side note are we ever gonna see Minato's Nature type/s?
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