Kakashi genjutsu skills analysis

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Before talking about his genjutsu skills, i'd like to point out the number of serious fights were we've seen him in

(1) - Kakashi vs Zabuza(first round)
(2) - Kakashi vs Zabuza(second round)
(3) - Kakashi vs Itachi(part1)
(4) - Kakashi vs Itachi(part2)
(5) - Kakashi vs Kakuzu(and Hidan)
(6) - Kakashi vs Pain
(7) - Kakashi vs 7swordsmen
(8) - Kakashi vs Obito(with Paths)

Notice that in half of his fights, he was fighting dojutsu users who had superior Sharingan evolution than his own self(bolded part), so in those fights, using genjutsu would have been useless

Now let's see about the other fights he had against non-dojutsu users

(1) - Kakashi vs Zabuza(first round): Notice that directly before the fight even started, Zabuza quickly used to make visional type jutsus ineffective, but later in the battle, after Kakashi got released from Zabuza's water prison, , at some point after watching into Kakashi's eye, , which later led to his defeat

(2) - Kakashi vs Zabuza(second round): During the second fight though, after noticing his error, Zabuza decided that besides the mist, he would have to fight , to . So Zabuza basically prevented himself from that

(5) - Kakashi vs Kakuzu(and Hidan): Sharingan genjutsu are most of the time used in close range. And we talk about 2 Akatsuki partners working together here with Kakuzu being mostly a long range fighter. Kakuzu even seems to have extensive , so it's possible that he knows how to fight it. It could be understandable since we talk here about a 91yo who even . Using genjutsu on one would not have really be successful since the other would be there for . For example, one of the few exchange he had with Hidan alone was when he even was attacking from behind after he dodged Kakuzu's attack, or when he was already immobilised by Shikamaru's kage mane, so in order words in position where genjutsu would have been useless or not even be thought about. Not only that, but Kakuzu himself has 5 chakra tubes something that Kakashi , so with 5 chakra tubes, taking control of just one would be useless(in case Kakuzu has his masks in him). And even when it's not the case, notice even that he was with his 4masks around him , so it's definitely not configurations where genjutsu would have really been useful

(7) - Kakashi vs 7swordsmen: They were fighting in the mist and even after the mist got cleared, the fight was off-panelled. Not only that, but it's not even sure that genjutsu would have really be useful since there is someone in the shadow controlling them by emitting chakra in them

Now i'll like to point out something during the Kakashi vs Itachi fight(part1)

(3) - Itachi vs Kakashi(part1): Notice that when Gai arrived and Asuma told him to close his eyes, he said . If Gai, who earlier has shown to deflect high level genjutsu like Kabuto's temple of nirvana stated that he needed to find a strategy to counter Kakashi's genjutsu, it means that he got trolled by it most of the time during their duels. It's even by fighting against Kakashi most of the time, that he knew how to fight Sharingan without eye contact

Besides that, Kakashi to troll Anbus and make them dream about Naruto, and was even capable to compete with Obito(someone who controlled a Perfect Jinchuriki) in a

Obviously not saying Kakashi is a god in genjutsu, but i think it's something that needed to be mentioned :p
 

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so to recap his skill is below uchiha blooded users as expected?
 

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Tl;dr
Kakashi's genjutsu suck compared the the Solo King's, which mean Itachi>Nagato>Kakashi>Obito.
 

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so to recap his skill is below uchiha blooded users as expected?
Well he matched Obito in the skill, so maybe Obito is below other Uchihas, so i don't really know
 

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kakashi genjutsu..=weak O_O
 

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Since Kakashi matched Obito in genjutsu, does it mean Obito is also weak in genjutsu?

since they have the Same eye its Obvious that he knew it was Genjutsu :cool:
 

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so to recap his skill is below uchiha blooded users as expected?

Kakashi is most likely above your average uchiha in Genjutsu, According to the databooks he Was/Is on par with sasuke in terms of skill at genjutsu since they both score a 4.
 

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since they have the Same eye its Obvious that he knew it was Genjutsu :cool:
It's not about knowing, it's about matching each other since both were using genjutsu tactics on each other
 

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since they have the Same eye its Obvious that he knew it was Genjutsu :cool:

Doesn't matter if it's the same eyes, Sharingan is a tool, Even if it is technically the same eye they aren't exactly the same because Kakashi/Obito are different people.

The same reason why even with EMS sasuke's Genjutsu isn't as good as itachi's.
 

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It's not about knowing, it's about matching each other since both were using genjutsu tactics on each other

Yeah what does it matter...he ain't gonne use it anyway...even if he does...that doesn't help :|

there are 3 Villians...and Kakashi already Insta Killed Obito...madara is pro with Sharingan..and the Juubi :|
he can use it on fodders but yeah..why should you do that to your alliance uh?
 

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Well he matched Obito in the skill, so maybe Obito is below other Uchihas, so i don't really know

Resisting one isnt matching in skill. Sasuke resisted tsukuyomi but leagues below in genjutsu compared to itachi
 

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Yeah what does it matter...he ain't gonne use it anyway...even if he does...that doesn't help :|

there are 3 Villians...and Kakashi already Insta Killed Obito...madara is pro with Sharingan..and the Juubi :|
he can use it on fodders but yeah..why should you do that to your alliance uh?
Like i've said in the OP, i'm only pointing it out. Never stated he should use it in battle against the alliance or whatever you think. It doesn't matter for me. I was just making an analysis
 

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Like i've said in the OP, i'm only pointing it out. Never stated he should use it in battle against the alliance or whatever you think. It doesn't matter for me. I was just making an analysis

yeah i think its good.. =D
dont worry SIR
 

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-IMO Kakashi is skilled in every field of ninja skills. That's just who he is, He is that all around character. Who is a master in ninjutsu.
-When it comes to genjutsu he is obviously above avg. Easily defeating high skilled Anbu root members and would be able to fight on par with most Uchiha if they were alive.
--Itachi even praised Kakashi about his skill with the sharingan, saying it was better than most uchiha.

Now I'm not saying Kakashi is the best in genjutsu, he is in fact far from it but he is highly skilled and is better than most people and his masters and some in the past generation. I also believe that he isn't as good as Obito. He was able to hold his own but he wouldn't have been able to pull off the same feats Obito did ie. Control the 9 tails and the Jin Mizukage
 

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For get watt they talking about ni e statement kakashi is a good genjutsu user he might be more skilled than kurani
 

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sounds like a kakashi wank thread to me . kakashi is not an elite genjutsu user
 
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