Who ever claimed that KG have to run in the family? I never said anything like that. KG just means bloodline limit, meaning it has to be in your blood. I didn't say anything of Muu and Oonoki being related. That's possible, but doesn't really matter nor did I say or implied that. You just assumed that based on the wrong idea that KG run in families.
It should be common knowledge by now that KG are not necessarily tied to families. Yes some KG are passed on from generation to generation, however there have been shown characters that have a KG, but not one that runs in the family and is simply tied to that person.
Best example Hashirama Senju. He has the Mokuton KG, something no one else had (unless using the Shodaime's cells). So KG do not have to run in families, you simply need to have the genes for it and it's possible that people were born with the same genes independent from each other. The magnetism and youton users in the manga show that.
Your post makes no sense whatsoever. For starters he only used it in the anime, not in the manga and that does make hell of a lot of difference.
Secondly I didn't even claim he wasn't able to use it. I even clearly said that even in the case you know all 5 elements, it makes no difference. So whether I used 3 or 4 elements for Kakashi makes no difference. I could have used 5 or 2, it wouldn't matter. So your post makes no sense as whether he knows fire or not is irrelevant.
Also for the record if you are just going to assume everything Narutopedia says is correct, then are making a very grave error.
That's the case with the Kekkei Genkai, certainly. But there is a case for it being wrong concerning Kekkei Touta.
Muu and Oonoki are the only confirmed Kekkei Touta users, and don't seem to be AT ALL related. Just LOOK at them:
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And as people who are confimed to be related often look like carbon copies of one another:
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It's more than possible that Muu and Oonoki have no relation.
As Oonoki has said that Muu "Passed the secrets of Jinton over to him..."
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I'd say it's quite possible Kekkei Touta are learnable, not natural:
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Kekkei Touta need to be trained, unlike Kekkei Genkai. They are very different things in both potency and method, and as such I believe they may be learnable. Haku used ice instinctively, as when he killed his father, but Oonoki has to concentrate before EVERY use even YEARS after learning the techniques.
Mostly you're correct, it was a good post and a nice refutation, but not everything is.
Read what I wrote above, you don't have to be related and neither did I say you have to related and that's the case for both KG as KT. The only requirement is that you have the genes for it as otherwise it wouldn't be called a KT. If the only thing needed was that you had 3 chakra natures, then there should have been more than 2 shinobi who had a KT. It has been stated that the average jounin knows 2 elements, so that a reasonable amount would have learned a 3rd should be the case. So how come only those two were able to have a KT? Illogical.
So no currently I'm completely right on everything I said. If a KT could just be learned, it wouldn't be a KT as by its very definition it's an upgraded version of a KG and KG is tied to your blood. Not necessarily familial blood, but it's still something you need to be born with, just like Hashirama. The difference is, is that such KG based on 2 elements genes are already extremely rare. Then genes that combine 3 elements (an expansion, something higher than a normal KG) are logically going to be even more of a rarity and isn't that the case right now in the manga?
What I say makes a lot more sense then what you say as if KT are learnable, so should be KG as the only difference between the two is that the one combines 3 natures, while the other 2. How could it be possible that people could learn to combine 3 natures, but not 2?
Nope, it's in your blood. You can't learn a KG nor a KT. Even if you would know all the elements, if you don't have the bloodline, you can't start mixing them. It's as simple as that. If you have the KG/KT, logically someone can train you in mastering it, but if you don't have one, even if you have all the elements needed for it, then no you will not be able to get a KT.
Not to mention even in the case Kakashi somehow would have a KT, what the hell would Kurama know about that?
If Kakashi would have had a KT, he would have learned to use it a long time ago as you don't even need to know a single thing about the elements of which a KG/KT is composed of to use it. That was clearly shown by Haku who could use ice when he was a child, long before he was even trained to be a shinobi and had any knowledge of water and wind. As far as I can remember he never even used wind jutsu's. Oonoki only used Dust and Earth jutsu's so far, not a single time a fire jutsu and neither I think a wind jutsu.
So no Kakashi does not have a Kekei Touta nor would Kurama teach it to him. Never say never, but the chance he would have it are almost zero and everything you said has no real relevance to him having him a Kekei Touta or not. So it's nothing more than a possibility like there are millions of possibilities simply because there isn't really something that proves for a 100% it's impossible, but that doesn't make it not even in the least remotely possible.
i have to agree with caliburn ... being able to mix elements has to be in ur blood otherwise it is not possible... also i dont see how kurama would teach him ... how and wat would he know about a kekkei tota .. of course we cant say it isnt possible because the manga is always coming out with twists... but with wat we know atm he cant learn it
i have to agree with caliburn ... being able to mix elements has to be in ur blood otherwise it is not possible... also i dont see how kurama would teach him ... how and wat would he know about a kekkei tota .. of course we cant say it isnt possible because the manga is always coming out with twists... but with wat we know atm he cant learn it
I don't think this is possible. As said before, I'm pretty sure you need a natural ability to combine natures such as Mokouton (Water+Earth) and Mei's lava. Obviously those aren't kekei touta, but you would need a genetic ability to mix three, just like you do for two.
Slightly off-topic, someone mentioned Mei can use wind? Maybe she could get healed by the dying Tsunade and gain kekei touta, that'd be a very unexpected twist. Obviously won't happen though.
Where would he learn a new kekkei Tota? Where would he learn a new kekkei Tota effectively in such a short amount of time, assuming he'd use it in the current battle?
Kakashi without the sharingan would not possess water and earth if he never trained at using those elements. His affinity is towards lightning. Sharingan only copies the jutsu, I doubt Kakashi has mastered water and earth to make a kekkei tota. If anything, Nagato is the one who mastered the 5 chakra natures and should be able to use kekkei genkai and kekkei tota.
Where would he learn a new kekkei Tota? Where would he learn a new kekkei Tota effectively in such a short amount of time, assuming he'd use it in the current battle?
