[Discussion] Kaido's 3 Calamities

[Skull Knight]

1)Jack

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-Ancient Zoan(Mammoth)
-Right hand of Kaido
-fought dukes and 2admiral lvl guys

Now I think
2nd Calamity is X-Drake

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-Ancient Zoan(T-Rex)
-Former Marine Rear Admiral
-Supernova
-Survived Mingo's Birdcage when he was a kid
-fought Pacifista before timeskip, fought one of the Kaido's subordinate(Scotch), crushed Caribou's rebellion.

3rd Calamity is Marco

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-Mythical Zoan(Pheonix)
-Served WB
-fought 4admiral lvl guys in Marineford

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

The Drought
The Storm
The Quake

 

[Tobi98]

X Drake ad Jack have ancient zoans

and ain't feeling it :T

 

[Skull Knight]

X Drake ad Jack have ancient zoans

and ain't feeling it :T

why i think Marco is 3rd calamity because Weevil is hunting Marco.
Now Marco had Mythical zoan/logia ability(Pheonix).
in Kaido war arc i think Luffy will meet Marco and Weevil will fight Marco there.

 

[KcMSean]

You're crazy if you think Marco would join up with an enemy. He's probably the most loyal member of the whitebeards, certainly been there for longer than the vast majority. Kaido tried to make his move against the WB pirates during marineford, and you think Marco would just forget that?
Aside from that, there is nothing to say that Weevil is anywhere near his level. Highly doubt Marco would join his biggest enemy (aside from BB and the Marines) to run from a guy we know next to nothing about. Marco probably never has even heard of him

 

[jiraiya lives]

If anything Marco would Join Shanks over Kaidou or Take leadership the WB pirates.

I still don't see Drake as being a calamity, I don't think he's in that high of a position yet but I have a feeling that I could be wrong.

 

[YellowFang]

When did Drake managed outside of DD's BC...?
I don't think Marco to be one of Kaido's...

 

[Passerby]

Drake is too weak
The Calamaties are all high tier people! Just look at the damage Jack caused. You think Drake could do something like that?

 

[Skull Knight]

You're crazy if you think Marco would join up with an enemy. He's probably the most loyal member of the whitebeards, certainly been there for longer than the vast majority. Kaido tried to make his move against the WB pirates during marineford, and you think Marco would just forget that?

Bro they are Pirates. WB is dead. They have no place to go. There territories are taken by BB or other Yonkos.

Aside from that, there is nothing to say that Weevil is anywhere near his level. Highly doubt Marco would join his biggest enemy (aside from BB and the Marines) to run from a guy we know next to nothing about. Marco probably never has even heard of him

Bro kizaru compared Weevil abilities to that of a younger Whitebeard.
Young/Prime WB> Marco

If anything Marco would Join Shanks over Kaidou

That may be a possibility

or Take leadership the WB pirates.

Bro Weevil is beating the hell out of WB pirates. He is nowhere. That means he left WB pirates.

I still don't see Drake as being a calamity, I don't think he's in that high of a position yet but I have a feeling that I could be wrong.

Why I think Drake is a calamity:
1)He was rear admiral for sometime.
2)He became supernova before Sabody Arch... Arc
3)He defeated one of the Kaido's Subordinate just to meet Kaido(I think here he became vice-admiral lvl guy and this happened after Marineford war)
4)He joined Kaido's crew. Here he must have trained hard in last 2years. He low diff Caribou and his rebellion. I think he is slightly above or equal to Doffy.

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When did Drake managed outside of DD's BC...?

He escaped Birdcage in Laws Past. When doffy used first time Bird Cage he was there.

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Drake is too weak
The Calamaties are all high tier people! Just look at the damage Jack caused. You think Drake could do something like that?

Bro Drake faced Pacifista pre-timeskip

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And defeated one of the kaido's crew after Marineford war

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[KakarotxUchiha]

Good theory but highly unlikely since marco pledged his loyalty to Whitebeard and fought under him for soo many years, including kaido and his crew in the past. You never you know tho you could be right since those are the only ancient zones we have seen, but i kinda hope that marco isnt one so we could see another zoan.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Bro they are Pirates. WB is dead. They have no place to go. There territories are taken by BB or other Yonkos.

There is no reason whatsoever for Marco to join Kaidou unless its part of plan. WB dead and his territories has been taken by WB. Marco n' company needed protection and who's better the one who saved their asses and gave WB and Ace a proper burial?

Bro kizaru compared Weevil abilities to that of a younger Whitebeard.
Young/Prime WB> Marco

Weevil's brute strength is that of a young WB. Too bad he is dumb as bricks and vulnerable to basic strategies.

That may be a possibility


Bro Weevil is beating the hell out of WB pirates. He is nowhere. That means he left WB pirates.

Weevil is beating WB ALLIES. Not the main crew. The main crew can't be found. WB's allies are solo NW captains who goes and do what they want.

Why I think Drake is a calamity:
1)He was rear admiral for sometime.
2)He became supernova before Sabody Arch... Arc
3)He defeated one of the Kaido's Subordinate just to meet Kaido(I think here he became vice-admiral lvl guy and this happened after Marineford war)
4)He joined Kaido's crew. Here he must have trained hard in last 2years. He low diff Caribou and his rebellion. I think he is slightly above Doffy.

No way any supernova is above Doffy at the moment. Luffy, Law and Kidd has always been portrayed as top 3 and low diffing Caribou is nothing. Jinbe, Sanji, Luffy and Zoro easily one shooted him.

He escaped Birdcage in Laws Past. When doffy used first time Bird Cage he was there.

Drake was just lucky. He was already outside birdcage's range when it activated.

Bro Drake faced Pacifista pre-timeskip

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And defeated one of the kaido's crew after Marineford war

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Urouge fought a paicifista as well and had the same if not a better performance than Drake.

Caribou, they guy who is a pest to Jinbe and the M3, easily defeated Scotch so its nothing special. I don't see how Drake can get that strong so fast and become a calamity. Its most likely hat the 3 calamities are veterans of Kaidou's crew.

 

[Skull Knight]

Good theory but highly unlikely since marco pledged his loyalty to Whitebeard and fought under him for soo many years, including kaido and his crew in the past. You never you know tho you could be right since those are the only ancient zones we have seen, but i kinda hope that marco isnt one so we could see another zoan.

Bingo...
My theory is totally based on Mythical/Ancient Zoan users.
And why i think Marco is 3rd calamity because
Suddenly Weevil is hunting WB crew and he is now in his hitlist. That means he is going to get screen time in future. And Kaido war arc is next after Big Mom arc. So yes Marco being one of the calamity is possible. that way we could see Marco vs Weevil in wano arc.

 

[Skull Knight]

There is no reason whatsoever for Marco to join Kaidou unless its part of plan. WB dead and his territories has been taken by WB. Marco n' company needed protection and who's better the one who saved their asses and gave WB and Ace a proper burial?

Bro who has taken WB's territory?
1)BB
2)Big Mom
3)Maybe Kaido
Shanks is busy fighting Kid Alliance

Weevil's brute strength is that of a young WB. Too bad he is dumb as bricks and vulnerable to basic strategies.

Doesn't matter.he will fight Marco in future

Weevil is beating WB ALLIES. Not the main crew. The main crew can't be found. WB's allies are solo NW captains who goes and do what they want.

Weevil strength = Young WB's strength > WB division commanders strength. this guy wants to fight BB. Obviously he is stronger then most of the WB's crew.

No way any supernova is above Doffy at the moment. Luffy, Law and Kidd has always been portrayed as top 3

This we cant say^
Kidd maybe stronger then luffy currently afterall he is fighting Yonko for last 2 years.
Maybe X-Drake was trained by Kaido or Jack himself.

Drake was just lucky. He was already outside birdcage's range when it activated.

i think he had to run to escape bird cage.

I don't see how Drake can get that strong so fast and become a calamity. Its most likely hat the 3 calamities are veterans of Kaidou's crew.

Bro he was a rear admiral before becoming supernova and maybe he was trained by Kaido or Jack.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Bro who has taken WB's territory?
1)BB
2)Big Mom
3)Maybe Kaido
Shanks is busy fighting Kid Alliance

BB took over most of BB's territories and we have no proof that the Kidd Alliance is attacking Shanks. That is a big assumption.

Doesn't matter.he will fight Marco in future

We don't know that. Buggy wanted to fight WB but did he? Kyros, Cavendish and Chinjao said they were going to fight Doffy but did they?

Weevil strength = Young WB's strength > WB division commanders strength. this guy wants to fight BB. Obviously he is stronger then most of the WB's crew.

Lots of weak guys want to kill the stronger guys. Weevil is stronger than most of the WBs but there is no proof for the best of WB crew.

This we cant say^
Kidd maybe stronger then luffy currently afterall he is fighting Yonko for last 2 years.
Maybe X-Drake was trained by Kaido or Jack himself.

What I said is no different than you assuming Drake got that strong. At least what I say has portrayal. You are relying too much of "ifs" and there is absolutely no proof that any supernova received training aside from Luffy & Zoro.

i think he had to run to escape bird cage.

I don't even see the reason to even bring up Drake getting lucky against the birdcgae.....Drake was outside birdcage's range and hell, the fodder behind him would've made it if they were a little quicker.

Bro he was a rear admiral before becoming supernova and maybe he was trained by Kaido or Jack

Rear Admiral so? 11 other people made the same achievements and once gaian, you are relying too much on 'what ifs' tog et your point across. Myabe this, maybe that....

 

[Skull Knight]

BB took over most of BB's territories and we have no proof that the Kidd Alliance is attacking Shanks. That is a big assumption.

I think it was already told/showed that Kidd was fighting Yonkos like Big Mom and Shanks in 2year time.

We don't know that. Buggy wanted to fight WB but did he? Kyros, Cavendish and Chinjao said they were going to fight Doffy but did they?

-Bro buggy never wanted to fight WB=D
He was trying to look cool infront of Impel down prisoners.
-Cavendish wanted to fight DD but Luffy asked him not to intervene and take Law away
-Kyros was injured
-Chinjao never reached to doffy's place. Lao G defeated him.

Lots of weak guys want to kill the stronger guys. Weevil is stronger than most of the WBs but there is no proof for the best of WB crew.

This guy is a shichibukai.
last time ace fought a shichibukai he was defeated badly by BB.
Obviously Weevil will be stronger then most of WB's commander.

I don't even see the reason to even bring up Drake getting lucky against the birdcgae.....Drake was outside birdcage's range and hell, the fodder behind him would've made it if they were a little quicker.

lucky or not he escaped Birdcage and saved his life
and Ussop was also lucky that Sugar fainted. otherwise he would have also become a Toy. This is a legit feat of Ussop but escaping Doffy's parasite string and Birdcage is not a feat?

Rear Admiral so? 11 other people made the same achievements and once gaian, you are relying too much on 'what ifs' tog et your point across. Myabe this, maybe that....

Bro How many rear admirals are working for Kaido?
there were 6 rear admirals(5canon and 1non canon)

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Strawberry was promoted to vice admiral lvl after he fought fisher tiger.

Drake fought Pacifista Pre-timeskip. Urogue also fought but he was bleeding. Drake was not. Drake was soloed by Kizaru. But somehow he escaped like other Supernovas.
He must be vice admiral lvl when he became Supernova and if he got training from Jack then he must be above doffy. but yes this is assumption. I don't have feats to support it.h:

 

[Vandenre1ch]

I think it was already told/showed that Kidd was fighting Yonkos like Big Mom and Shanks in 2year time.

Tamago said "Some brat named Kidd sunk 2 of our ships recently". Big Mom veteran called Kidd "some brat" meaning it was the first time Kidd attacked Big Mam.

-Bro buggy never wanted to fight WB=D
He was trying to look cool infront of Impel down prisoners.
-Cavendish wanted to fight DD but Luffy asked him not to intervene and take Law away
-Kyros was injured
-Chinjao never reached to doffy's place. Lao G defeated him.

Your only proving my point that just because someone says they want to fight someone, doesn't mean they WILL fight them.

This guy is a shichibukai.
last time ace fought a shichibukai he was defeated badly by BB.
Obviously Weevil will be stronger then most of WB's commander.

This doesn't add nor take away from what I said.

lucky or not he escaped Birdcage and saved his life
and Ussop was also lucky that Sugar fainted. otherwise he would have also become a Toy. This is a legit feat of Ussop but escaping Doffy's parasite string and Birdcage is not a feat?

*sigh* of course it isn't a feat......Usopp scaring Sugar isn't a feat....Drake being outside the range of birdcage isn't a feat. You are acting like Drake was caught but broke out..it was 13 years ago as well so its irrelevant.

Bro How many rear admirals are working for Kaido?
there were 6 rear admirals(5canon and 1non canon)

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Strawberry was promoted to vice admiral lvl after he fought fisher tiger.
X-Drake must be vice admiral lvl when he became Supernova and if he got training from Jack then he must be above doffy. but yes this is assumption. I don't have feats to support it.h:

What is this "level" you speak of? Strength between the VAs varies. What you are trying to throw around makes no sense.....Strawberry got a strength increase because his men shot down Fisher Tiger.......ok.....we have no idea if he even got a promotion after that. Once again, you are assuming and playing it off as concrete.....

Again, so what if Drake was a rear admiral....that is one rank below the one that makes you a threat. You ASSUME Drake magically got a hue strength increase from when he defect to his time in Sabody......your speculation lose alot of footing when you speculate too much dude.....

 

[Skull Knight]

Tamago said "Some brat named Kidd sunk 2 of our ships recently". Big Mom veteran called Kidd "some brat" meaning it was the first time Kidd attacked Big Mam.

Bro kid destroyed big Mom 2 ships before luffy reached Fishmen Island. remember pekoms said they should take the treasure as Kid destroyed 2 of there ships.

Your only proving my point that just because someone says they want to fight someone, doesn't mean they WILL fight them.

Nope I told u Cavendish was ready to fight DD but Luffy stopped him.
Rest of the examples were stupid. Weevil is stronger then Buggy/Kyros/ Don Chinjao. and his mother is guiding him to fight Marco.

This doesn't add nor take away from what I said.

Comeon now most of the WB's commanders were stopped by Shichibukais. I remember only Marco and Jozu were fighting Admirals.
And the fact that Weevil strength=Young WB is enough to make him stronger then most of WB commanders.

*sigh* of course it isn't a feat......Usopp scaring Sugar isn't a feat....Drake being outside the range of birdcage isn't a feat. You are acting like Drake was caught but broke out..it was 13 years ago as well so its irrelevant.

Obviously Ussop scarring the shit out of Sugar was a feat. There plan was to KO Sugar via Tontatta chili ball/tablet(whatever it was)
After this he became God Ussop

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Doffy already reached that island and started using Parasyte string. fodder pirates were killing each other. Drake escaping BC is definately a feat.

What is this "level" you speak of? Strength between the VAs varies. What you are trying to throw around makes no sense.....Strawberry got a strength increase because his men shot down Fisher Tiger.......ok.....we have no idea if he even got a promotion after that. Once again, you are assuming and playing it off as concrete.....

Obviously he got promotion after that. He killed that guy who destroyed Mariejois.

Again, so what if Drake was a rear admiral....that is one rank below the one that makes you a threat. You ASSUME Drake magically got a hue strength increase from when he defect to his time in Sabody......

i told u above he was rear admiral, he fought Pacifista(actually kicked him), escaped from Sabody Arch after getting his butt kicked by kizaru, fought one of the kaido sub-ordinate just to meet with him, he is also a supernova.
i think these feats are enough to make somebody vice admiral lvl guy.I have a question u think Supernovas are not even Vice admiral lvl?

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Bro kid destroyed big Mom 2 ships before luffy reached Fishmen Island. remember pekoms said they should take the treasure as Kid destroyed 2 of there ships.

*sigh* Kidd recently sunk 2 random ships of Big Mam for the first time....your not proving a point....

Nope I told u Cavendish was ready to fight DD but Luffy stopped him.
Rest of the examples were stupid. Weevil is stronger then Buggy/Kyros/ Don Chinjao. and his mother is guiding him to fight Marco.

Guess what? They still didn't fight Doffy after saying they would. Who is to say someone won't get into Weevil's way? We don't know. Besides, Weevil is heading for Luffy to find out Marco's location.

Comeon now most of the WB's commanders were stopped by Shichibukais. I remember only Marco and Jozu were fighting Admirals.
And the fact that Weevil strength=Young WB is enough to make him stronger then most of WB commanders.

Dud I already said Weevil is stronger than most of the division commanders. What we don't know is if he is stronger than Marco, Jozu or Vista.

Obviously Ussop scarring the shit out of Sugar was a feat. There plan was to KO Sugar via Tontatta chili ball/tablet(whatever it was)
After this he became God Ussop

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Doffy already reached that island and started using Parasyte string. fodder pirates were killing each other. Drake escaping BC is definately a feat.

Honestly, this is stupid. How is Usopp randomly and luckily scarring Sugar a feat of strength? His epithet is a lie even though it plays a role in the story. Again, its not a feat a strength. Also, a young Drake being outside the radius of birdcage when it activated isn't a feat. Your implying(and assuming) that a young Drake broke through birdcage when people like Kyros and Zoro couldn't.

Obviously he got promotion after that. He killed that guy who destroyed Mariejois.

If he did get a promo, it wasn't for his STRENGTH at the time. It was for his leadership and a job well done.

i told u above he was rear admiral, he fought Pacifista(actually kicked him), escaped from Sabody Arch after getting his butt kicked by kizaru, fought one of the kaido sub-ordinate just to meet with him, he is also a supernova.
i think these feats are enough to make somebody vice admiral lvl guy.I have a question u think Supernovas are not even Vice admiral lvl?

I was referring to Pre-TS Drake and VA level does not exist. The strength of the VAs varies greatly.Some are stronger than even the current supernovas and some are not. We had VAs almost become admirals before Fujitora and Green Bull got recruited.

Didn't Urouge, Hawkins and Apoo escape Kizaru after getting their butts kicked too? Some who were more injured than Drake like Urouge and Hawkins? How is Drake's escape so special? Pre-TS Drake fought a Kaidou subordinate who got crushed by Caribou, someone who got easily one shotted by Jinbe and the M3 Post-TS. Again, nothing special and nothing saying Drake is a calamity and the strongest supernova.

You yourself admitted that you have no proof so are you nitpicking to find things to change my mind?

 

[Lightbringer]

Yeah like the others are saying, I think Dark is a bit too weak to be on the list. Marco seems more likely to join Shanks than Kaidou.

 

[Skull Knight]

*sigh* Kidd recently sunk 2 random ships of Big Mam for the first time....your not proving a point....

He destroyed those ships before Luffy reached fishman island. Tamago said few days ago kid destroyed 2 ships

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Guess what? They still didn't fight Doffy after saying they would. Who is to say someone won't get into Weevil's way? We don't know. Besides, Weevil is heading for Luffy to find out Marco's location.

yes this is also what i m sayin. i think after big mom arc Weevil will find luffy in wano where Kaido war is going to take place. marco will be also there.

Dud I already said Weevil is stronger than most of the division commanders. What we don't know is if he is stronger than Marco, Jozu or Vista.

I don't know if Jozu or Vista will be shown again or not :hmm:

Honestly, this is stupid. How is Usopp randomly and luckily scarring Sugar a feat of strength? His epithet is a lie even though it plays a role in the story. Again, its not a feat a strength. Also, a young Drake being outside the radius of birdcage when it activated isn't a feat. Your implying(and assuming) that a young Drake broke through birdcage when people like Kyros and Zoro couldn't.

I told u there plan was to ko Sugar and Ussop did that.
Similarly Drake plan at that moment was to escape ghost town in which he suceeded.

If he did get a promo, it wasn't for his STRENGTH at the time. It was for his leadership and a job well done.

U know na Smoker got double promotion for nothing. And he became Vice-admiral.

I was referring to Pre-TS Drake and VA level does not exist. The strength of the VAs varies greatly.Some are stronger than even the current supernovas and some are not. We had VAs almost become admirals before Fujitora and Green Bull got recruited.

I think all current Supernovas > VA. smoker got destroyed in PH and luffy didnot even used G4.

You yourself admitted that you have no proof so are you nitpicking to find things to change my mind?

this will help
Fleet Admiral>Admiral> Vice Admiral>Rear admiral > Commodere> Captain

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In 2 year timeskip Smoker jumped 2 ranks from Commodere to Vice Admiral(we dont know how?)

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but u think X-Drake who was former rear admiral(before timeskip) didn't become a high shichibukai lvl?