Kaguya's eye's

[Made in Heaven]

Hopefully next chapter

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

I can't wait to see the disappointed looks on your faces when you realize that she is nothing more than a pairing fodder. If Hinata has a major role then Kiba should have one too. If Hinata has a major role then Lee should have one too. If Hinata has a major role then Tenten should have one too. If Hinata has a major role then Ino should have one too. If Hinata has a major role then Shikamaru should have one too. If Hinata has a major role then Shino should have one too. If Hinata has a major role then Choji should have one too. I hope you realize that these are all irrelevant side characters that have not been important for the longest. Why the hell is Hinata any different from these guys? Because she cares about Naruto? Because she has special feelings for Naruto? Please.

I would say the Same thing would apply to you if it turn out to be the Hyuga Anchestor, you'll get butthurt. You failed to realize that Hinata holds the importance of Naruto, which means she'll get huge roles later on. I like how people like you always observe and come up with a conclusion based on any character will get development just because of their panal time which is such a joke.

You forgot there are other battles going on with the Konoha11 & Shinobi Alliance vs Spiral Zetsu yet you ignore them and treat them as a "Fodder" to you.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Every time people say hinata's character is done, they're always proven wrong lol

 

[Beatrix]

Hmm. True.

I'd like to throw these quotes in for good measure though;

Hinata is popular in Naruto character popularity polls, frequently making it into the top 10. As of the eighth poll, Hinata had more overall votes than Sakura, making her the most popular female character of the series.

During a 2010 interview, Kishimoto stated that many who work with him have told him Hinata would have made a better heroine than Sakura.

... so
Hinata is not unimportant - neither is the Hyuga Clan, nor it's backstory and it's already been given a decent amount of panel space by Kishi.
Fans love her - would make sense to give the fans what they want (to an extent). And Kishi has delivered on that, I feel. Hinata vs. Pein, Hinata vs. Ten Tails, Hinata's Talk-no-Justu is epic... hers works on Naruto in the same way Naruto's works on everyone else.
And eh...no. She's not on the same level as Kiba, they're not 'equal' in terms of importance in the plot.


Regarding the Byakugan - I'd like to see a connection between it and Kaguya revealed - or from her blood line at least. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me for that to happen...
It's marked as one of the three legendary dojutsu - the other two being Rinnegan and Sharingan. Makes sense for a connection to be there.
Kaguya maybe had the highest/purest form of dojutsu... and her two sons got weaker variations of it.
Hagoromo = Rinnegan (posssed himself) > Sharingan (decendents)
Hagoromo's Brother = ????? > Byakugan (decendents)

[Question] Could all Blood Limits be traced back to Kaguya?
ex: Kimimaro's bone manipulation, Haku's Ice, Pakura's Scorch?

 

[bashkim]

Theres a considerable amount of proof. I wouldn't mind sharing

Sure if you have it, it would be great if could shared these proofs.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Sure if you have it, it would be great if could shared these proofs.

some people have claimed that she can't have it; as her eyes are pure white, and at first glance this may look true.

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However, zooming in and we see;

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That there is in fact a distinction between the iris and the rest of the eye ball.

However, even if this was the case, Kishi has drawn the Byakugan with and without an iris before.

An example would be here, where Hinata is depicted both with and without irises

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Now comes the argument of "who says the eye has to be white?"

To start off with, White symbolizes Death in Japanese culture.

Kaguya was refered to as a Demon by the people of her time

Kaguya also has a rather uncanny and huge similarity with the Shinigami of the Reaper death seal [some people have even theorized that the shinigami may in fact actually be her]

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Finally, going off of Madara and Obito's appearence as the Juubi's jinchuriki

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And we saw how similar Hagoromo's own appearence was to Juubiti, I think it's clear that Kaguya has white hair, white cloths and white skin. So what's left other than having white eyes?

It truly would make her look like a soulless ghost/demon woman; and even the Byakugan's veins would add to the creepy vibe she seems to emit.

Kaguya having the Byakugan would also bring us full circle and would actually make Kakashi's statement from part 1 actually true.

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Indra [Uchiha eyes] came from Hagoromo who came from Kaguya [Hyuga eyes]. So the Uchiha in a way, did in fact come from the Hyuga.

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This picture was seen during Obito & Konan's battle. The picture depicts Tomoes, representing the Uchiha, circles or ripples, representing the Rinnegan, and a Ying-Yang symbol in the middle, representing the Hyuuga. This hint at the Byakugan being related to the Rennigan and Sharingan

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As can be seen, Tobi's mask clearly has all three attributes of the three great Dojutsu. It has the ripples of the Rennigan, the Tomoes of the Sharingan, and is coloured white as is the Byakugan. Now, think of this for a moment. Why wasn’t Tobi’s mask colored orange like all his previous masks were before this one? Why is this the only mask of which he’s worn that bares resemblance to the Dojustsus? Tobi’s mask is one of the largest hints of the three eyes being connected to one another in some way.

The Byakugan, Rennigan and Sharingan are collectively called the Three Great Dojutsu. But why call them the Three GREAT Dojutsu if they're the only ones? Well, simply put, they're not. Kishimoto has shown other DOjutsus throuughout the series.

Deidara's left eye can see through genjutsu and see afar.
Kidomaru's third eye when openind improves his accuracy and let's him see chakra
Gaara's sand eye allows for him to create a floating eye of sand, connecting it to his optic nerves.
Zetsu's "Golden Byakugan" allows for him to record and later replay things he's seen.

So there ARE in fact "lesser" dojutsu; and the reason Byakugan, Sharingan, and Rennigan are called the Great Dojutsus is because they are linked to the Sage's family.

Honestly, I find it absolutely illogical for the Byakugan to not be related to the other Dojutsus in some way, as it would seem completely bizarre for the Byakugan to just be there with no explanation what so ever as to how it came to be.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Every time people say hinata's character is done, they're always proven wrong lol

Yea exactly, these are the type of people that can't seem to understand the basic concept of "Secondary Characters" . It's the same thing with Gai like how people think he's not getting panal time and going 8th gates and yet it occurred and now people claims that only Gai and Rock Lee are the only one left just because of their moment to shine.

Hmm. True.

I'd like to throw these quotes in for good measure though;





... so
Hinata is not unimportant - neither is the Hyuga Clan, nor it's backstory and it's already been given a decent amount of panel space by Kishi.
Fans love her - would make sense to give the fans what they want (to an extent). And Kishi has delivered on that, I feel. Hinata vs. Pein, Hinata vs. Ten Tails, Hinata's Talk-no-Justu is epic... hers works on Naruto in the same way Naruto's works on everyone else.
And eh...no. She's not on the same level as Kiba, they're not 'equal' in terms of importance in the plot.


Regarding the Byakugan - I'd like to see a connection between it and Kaguya revealed - or from her blood line at least. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me for that to happen...
It's marked as one of the three legendary dojutsu - the other two being Rinnegan and Sharingan. Makes sense for a connection to be there.
Kaguya maybe had the highest/purest form of dojutsu... and her two sons got weaker variations of it.
Hagoromo = Rinnegan (posssed himself) > Sharingan (decendents)
Hagoromo's Brother = ????? > Byakugan (decendents)

[Question] Could all Blood Limits be traced back to Kaguya?
ex: Kimimaro's bone manipulation, Haku's Ice, Pakura's Scorch?

Maybe the Byakugan could mutate into sharingan and then to Rinnegan but although I doubted what I said

 

[Aim64C]

Kaguya maybe had the highest/purest form of dojutsu... and her two sons got weaker variations of it.
Hagoromo = Rinnegan (posssed himself) > Sharingan (decendents)
Hagoromo's Brother = ????? > Byakugan (decendents)

This is somewhat possible, though I suspect the relationship is more direct. I think Kaguya had -the- Byakugan. In a pre-ninjutsu world, even the standard Hyuugas would be of legendary combat capability. After eating the fruit, she became powerful to the exponent of ridiculous.

The Haguromo's brother is a bit of a mystery at this point. It's 'reasonable' to speculate that the Uzumaki and Hyuuga stem from him... but I have my doubts on that idea. The Jashin theory is a bit more interesting in that regard, and fits in with the idea that the Uchiha represent the raw expression of Yang, the Senju a Yin-Yang, the Uzumaki a Yang-Yin, and [Jashin] the pure expression of Yin. This would fit with the techniques Jashinists use, as well - as they are largely passive and require 'use' of the target to work.

Conversely, the Uchiha are the definition of action and power. Not only do they get stupid amounts of chakra for no good reason, they also have the ability to -force- action upon others (genjutsu).

Under this model, the Hyuuga are entirely external and descendants of the people Kaguya hails from.

Ditching substantial portions of that idea, we can also come to the conclusion that the Hyuuga and Uzumaki are both external - The Uzumaki being the shamans who tended to the God Tree in pre-ninjutsu times, with the Hyuuga being the "sky people" (for lack of a better term).

This would still satisfy the stated relationships (even the legends that the Sharingan evolved from the Byakugan).

Running with that theory - it is quite possible that the Hyuuga had their seal developed by the Uzumaki (no one seems to question where that thing came from). It is also quite possible that the Hyuuga have passed down the knowledge of Kaguya. The legend must have an origin - and if the legend has truth, that origin would most likely lay within the Hyuuga's teachings.

[Question] Could all Blood Limits be traced back to Kaguya?
ex: Kimimaro's bone manipulation, Haku's Ice, Pakura's Scorch?

I somewhat doubt this would be the case. The blood limits seem to appear randomly and are kept alive by the formation of clans around them. I think it would be rather unlikely that a common hereditary lineage exists, there.

Further, Kaguya was not a user of Ninjutsu. Her abilities are yet to be described, but I suspect they are very similar (if not identical) to those used by the Hyuuga. Following her consumption of the fruit (or perhaps even before), her abilities allowed her to directly manipulate the flow of nature chakra in the ambient environment.

Where a sage jutsu requires the user to absorb chakra for the purpose of ninjutsu - Kaguya could freely manipulate it in the raw, much like a Hyuuga would manipulate another person's chakra network. While the techniques were probably far more simple - they could also be executed far more rapidly and with less drain on the person using the ability.

I would also suspect that it will be revealed that Naruto's Uzumaki lineage made him exceptionally well suited to the role of a Sage, because his chakra is geared toward various sealing/restraining techniques (such as the Uzumaki chakra-chains - even if he doesn't have that particular ability). Fuinjutsu will likely be shown to have a close relationship with nature chakra (many of the ancient uzumaki techniques were likely ways of culturing ambient nature chakra), which would make it easier for him to draw in and manipulate nature chakra as a Sage.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Jashin? What's he got to do with anything?

 

[bashkim]

Yea exactly, these are the type of people that can't seem to understand the basic concept of "Secondary Characters" . It's the same thing with Gai like how people think he's not getting panal time and going 8th gates and yet it occurred and now people claims that only Gai and Rock Lee are the only one left just because of their moment to shine.



Maybe the Byakugan could mutate into sharingan and then to Rinnegan but although I doubted what I said

Thank you, your arguments are very logical and I agree with you.

 

[bashkim]

some people have claimed that she can't have it; as her eyes are pure white, and at first glance this may look true.

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However, zooming in and we see;

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That there is in fact a distinction between the iris and the rest of the eye ball.

However, even if this was the case, Kishi has drawn the Byakugan with and without an iris before.

An example would be here, where Hinata is depicted both with and without irises

Spoiler

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Now comes the argument of "who says the eye has to be white?"

To start off with, White symbolizes Death in Japanese culture.

Kaguya was refered to as a Demon by the people of her time

Kaguya also has a rather uncanny and huge similarity with the Shinigami of the Reaper death seal [some people have even theorized that the shinigami may in fact actually be her]

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Finally, going off of Madara and Obito's appearence as the Juubi's jinchuriki

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And we saw how similar Hagoromo's own appearence was to Juubiti, I think it's clear that Kaguya has white hair, white cloths and white skin. So what's left other than having white eyes?

It truly would make her look like a soulless ghost/demon woman; and even the Byakugan's veins would add to the creepy vibe she seems to emit.

Kaguya having the Byakugan would also bring us full circle and would actually make Kakashi's statement from part 1 actually true.

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Indra [Uchiha eyes] came from Hagoromo who came from Kaguya [Hyuga eyes]. So the Uchiha in a way, did in fact come from the Hyuga.

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This picture was seen during Obito & Konan's battle. The picture depicts Tomoes, representing the Uchiha, circles or ripples, representing the Rinnegan, and a Ying-Yang symbol in the middle, representing the Hyuuga. This hint at the Byakugan being related to the Rennigan and Sharingan

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As can be seen, Tobi's mask clearly has all three attributes of the three great Dojutsu. It has the ripples of the Rennigan, the Tomoes of the Sharingan, and is coloured white as is the Byakugan. Now, think of this for a moment. Why wasn’t Tobi’s mask colored orange like all his previous masks were before this one? Why is this the only mask of which he’s worn that bares resemblance to the Dojustsus? Tobi’s mask is one of the largest hints of the three eyes being connected to one another in some way.

The Byakugan, Rennigan and Sharingan are collectively called the Three Great Dojutsu. But why call them the Three GREAT Dojutsu if they're the only ones? Well, simply put, they're not. Kishimoto has shown other DOjutsus throuughout the series.

Deidara's left eye can see through genjutsu and see afar.
Kidomaru's third eye when openind improves his accuracy and let's him see chakra
Gaara's sand eye allows for him to create a floating eye of sand, connecting it to his optic nerves.
Zetsu's "Golden Byakugan" allows for him to record and later replay things he's seen.

So there ARE in fact "lesser" dojutsu; and the reason Byakugan, Sharingan, and Rennigan are called the Great Dojutsus is because they are linked to the Sage's family.

Honestly, I find it absolutely illogical for the Byakugan to not be related to the other Dojutsus in some way, as it would seem completely bizarre for the Byakugan to just be there with no explanation what so ever as to how it came to be.

Thank you for sharing your ideas. I have to admitted I agree with you.

 

[Dannie]

I would say the Same thing would apply to you if it turn out to be the Hyuga Anchestor, you'll get butthurt. You failed to realize that Hinata holds the importance of Naruto, which means she'll get huge roles later on. I like how people like you always observe and come up with a conclusion based on any character will get development just because of their panal time which is such a joke.

You forgot there are other battles going on with the Konoha11 & Shinobi Alliance vs Spiral Zetsu yet you ignore them and treat them as a "Fodder" to you.

Let me ask you something. Why would Kishimoto kill off Neji (probably the most relevant Hyuga in the series) just to make more time for Hinata to shine? Why would he kill off a Hyuga that is way more important than a lesser Hyuga? Hinata is from the main branch which meant that her role or responsibility was much more important than Neji's. It was Neji's responsibility to protect the main household (thus that meant sacrificing whatever means to keep "lady Hinata" safe), but Hinata's involvement throughout the whole story is miniscule at best. She has done nothing that would even suffice as achievable, and you want to talk about hope for her in the future. Cut the bs, will you? Her importance to Naruto is the same thing that it has been since part one - to be a pairing or caring fodder to Naruto in the future, but that is all. There is nothing else that she can do. Her being a part of the main villains defeat? Have you even been paying attention to this manga?

Her attempt with Pain during Konoha destruction, ended in a laughable casualty. She tried to rescue Naruto, but ended in failure and almost cost Naruto his life. If she somehow is involved in this mess with Madara then the outcome will be the same, thus dying in front of the one she loves and triggering Naruto's rage to defeat Madara. This is the only thing that would be considered appropriate. You talk about huge roles. As if someone of her caliber will even get a huge role. If someone is getting a huge role then it will be Sakura. Why the hell would Hinata's role be over Sakura's?
Name one major thing that this girl has done that was official and non-selfish in this manga? The only thing this girl cares about is Naruto. She will do anything that is stupid just to protect Naruto.

 

[Made in Heaven]

You're in for so much butthurt.

 

[-Drāke-]

You're in for so much butthurt.

Not as much as you are
#exposedexposedexposed

 

[Dannie]

You're in for so much butthurt.

I could say the same to you.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Eh, half the things you said aren't even true. You were just talking trash tbh. I'd take my time to counter, but nah

 

[Dannie]

Eh, half the things you said aren't even true. You were just talking trash tbh. I'd take my time to counter, but nah

You can't counter because it's too much for you to bare, and you are feeling salty that Hinata will have no relevance.

Hinata fans are so funny picking at straws that will likely not happen.

 

[-Drāke-]

You can't counter because it's too much for you to bare, and you are feeling salty that Hinata will have no relevance.

Hinata fans are so funny picking at straws that will likely not happen.

Time for my favorite thing about CC, her wall of text.:ls:

 

[Trollasaur]

I doubt it

 

[Made in Heaven]

You can't counter because it's too much for you to bare, and you are feeling salty that Hinata will have no relevance.

Hinata fans are so funny picking at straws that will likely not happen.

not at all, you think I haven't encountered these sort of claims before?