Kaguya & The Fall of the Moon

[Shinato]

You must be registered for see images "This earth is my precious nursery. I cannot allow you to damage it any more." ​ Kaguya was a villain with little to say, and little is known about her and her objective. There are only a few things we do know however, she required an army of White Zetsu and she was trying to create a new dimension for some reason. (Or at the very least she would be able to do it if she pleased.) Why did she need an army? Why would she create a new dimension? What was her objective? Is it connected to the plot of the movie, as the spoiler suggest that the moon is coming close to destroying the planet. We know that Kaguya was based of a ancient Japanese folklore about a moon princess. Yet Kaguya has no apparent connection to the moon other than the fact that she was made into something like a moon when she was sealed both times. (The moon existed before Hagoromo and Hamura sealed her the first time as she created the "Mugen Tsukuyomi" plan before she lost. This means that she had a plan to make an army originally as well, but to meet what ends? If it was something she meant she needed an army for, it has to be something very strong. The Moon's Destiny ​ The spoilers from the moon indicates that the moon is going to crash with the planet, if that happens then the world will end. (A much smaller meteorite than the moon is expected to be able to almost completely eradicate most life on the planet in our time.) Now, simply destroying the moon isn't a option either as it would come with grave consequences for the planet as well. This means that they have to stop the moon and place it back into orbit. Regardless of how powerful Kaguya was, she was merely a single person and she would die at some point, not to mention that she wouldn't be able to control something as gigantic as the moon. Black Zetsu referred to himself as the earth, the very planet they stepped on. This is most likely something that Kaguya once said or believed. I also believe that this is why she required an army of Zetsus. You see the final enemy in the movie is most likely not a person, or a being itself. Its something that is much stronger than Kaguya, much stronger than Naruto and Sasuke and in general much stronger than everything else. (I am THIS close to saying its Tobidara just to troll, but I won't.) This "new" enemy is something the characters have been fighting against for a long time, its something that Hagoromo lost to and its something no one can really control. This final enemy is destiny itself. "People's limitations are set, fixed, and unchangeable. Only a fool wastes his time trying to become something he can never be! The only destiny that everyone shares… is death." These are Neji's words on the fate of humans, or their destiny. He said that there is no way to change destiny, no matter how much you try. To this Naruto simply said that if that is how destiny works, then he will make his own and he won't accept a destiny that he doesn't agree with. He said he would never go back on that word, as that is his Nindo, his ninja way. I think there is a reason the Hyuuga are so connected to Kaguya and why Neji was the one to say that. (Hinata is also a person that shares Naruto's Nindo.) We know precious little of the Hyuuga clan, something that is still a mystery is Neji's reason for his statement on destiny, the Main Branch. I'll cover what I mean about that later, but for now let me say what I mean about the Destiny of the Moon. If the moon is going to crash into the Earth, and this is what Kaguya feared, then this event must be destined and Kaguya somehow got to know that. Kaguya tried to fight of destiny, by gaining back all the chakra she had shared. This also explains why she had children if she was so fixated at having all the chakra for herself. She started as a Goddess, sharing her power with the people and trying to gain peace. Then she somehow found out that sometime in the future, the moon would crash into the planet and destroy this. To avoid this, she started collecting her chakra again so that she could fulfill her goal of saving the world. Though this was after she had children and she did expect them to help in her plan. Something they didn't, they refused to which a battle broke out and the sealing of the Juubi became. The Juubi was said to have been created into the moon, yet that couldn't have been the case as Kaguya most likely feared the moon and she created the "Moon Eye Plan" before she was sealed the first time around. This is why she wanted all chakra for herself, to stop the moon in her own way. The Zetsu Army ​ What do Kaguya need an army for if her goal was to stop the moon? Well we know that she is powerful, but not stronger than destiny, God or Mother Nature. (Because she lost to a whole less, twice I may add.) We also know that the Zetsu's turn into tree's and nature when they are affected by a certain chakra. I think this was Kaguya's plan, to create Zetsu's without sacrificing humanity. The why did she sacrifice humanity later for the same sake? She was running out of time and need to speed up the progress. But would she need nature? I said that she was weaker than Mother Nature, but I also said that she aimed to create her own nature. Becoming a form of "Mother Nature" on her own. Now where would this nature be? It would be a nature that changed the moon, a way to control the moon and keep it in its orbit even after her death. This is why she needed an army, a way to control the moon from colliding with the planet. The Hyuuga Main Branch ​ There are great mystery around the Hyuuga Main Branch, why the Main Branch is regarded as royalty and why the lesser branches are placed with the Curse Mark. What if the Hyuuga places the curse seal on the lesser branches so that there is only the Main Branch that can reach the highest power of the Hyuuga? But for what reason? The clue here is the word "One" that Kaguya muttered so many times. "All chakra shall become one!" There can only one, not two, not three or a hundred, only one. What if the prophecy that Kaguya knew about the Moon is now in the hands of the Hyuuga that came after her? What if they are preparing for this in their own way? In one of the spoilers for the movie we get to see Hinata, she is unique in the way that she is the only one of the characters that are shown who isn't focused on a goal. All others are looking with a focused look, directly at something besides her. She has a worried look on her face. This can be of a few reasons and the two I think are the most likely are; She is worried about Naruto. She is worried of what is to become. I think that both are correct, though the last one is the most fitting one. As I said, what if the Main Branch has been preparing for this a long time, and that responsibility has landed with Hinata. What if Hinata is meant to die or in other words sacrifice herself to change destiny? If that is the case then that is a destiny Naruto will never accept and he will aim to change that before it becomes reality. That may be the plot of the movie and why Hinata is mirrored as someone who is alot like Kaguya. (They both talk very little, they both have Byakugan and they both are heads of a family. Along with the Hyuuga originating from Kaguya.) But if it was so simple as to sacrifice a single person, couldn't Kaguya just do that? I think that the cost is much greater, but the responsibility falls to the head of the family. The Curse Seal is placed on the lesser branches as a form of control over them, a leash. By why? What if when the times come that the moon should collide with the planet, the head of the Hyuuga activates the curse seals and drains all other Hyuuga's of their power in order to amass a great amount of chakra that will be able to repel the Moon for a few decades. Then that progress repeats itself after several decades. A permanent solution as long as the Hyuuga keeps sacrificing their own, through the Curse of the Hyuuga clan. The curse of Kaguya and that this has repeated itself before. By this I mean that what if Kaguya was the original head of the family that held this curse before and she tried to find another way to solve it, something she did. The same ideal, just on a much larger scale that would be permanent. But she was stopped by her sons before her plan could be finished, and she returns to try and do it again only to fail. Thus the responsibility falls to the Hyuuga to use a semi-permanent solution. Summary ​ Kaguya tried to save the world by manipulating the moon from crashing into the planet using White Zetsus, while the Main Branch of the Hyuuga has their own way of stopping this event through using some sort of unknown mean that will cost a great deal. (Such as the Main Branch's life along with the entire Hyuuga.)

 

[Hata Hideaki]

nah man. you are just assuming too much.

control moon through nature? and repel moon back to its orbit by chakra? :| i dont think so.

anyway nice read.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Great effort putting them all together

 

[Seventh Sama]

Holy cow, I haven't read a kaguya theory in a long time.
There is a problem in this theory however. Such as if kaguya knew that the moon will crash into the earth. Why didn't she isolate herself? She's pretty much the reason why the moon was created in the first place via sun & moon sealing. Still a nice read tho.^^

 

[phoenixstark]

Congratulations is the first interesting theory I read on Kaguya

 

[minamoto]

how dare you talk about tobidara like dat??..you dont even know what it is

 

[KCMNaruto]

Very interesting thread

I really enjoyed reading it

 

[Shinato]

Holy cow, I haven't read a kaguya theory in a long time.
There is a problem in this theory however. Such as if kaguya knew that the moon will crash into the earth. Why didn't she isolate herself? She's pretty much the reason why the moon was created in the first place via sun & moon sealing. Still a nice read tho.^^

The moon was created before Kaguya appeared, as she made a plan that used the moon as a mirror. "The Moon Eye Plan", originally created by Kaguya. (As to such, Hagoromo created a counter to it.)

 

[Zawerni]

The moon was created before Kaguya appeared, as she made a plan that used the moon as a mirror. "The Moon Eye Plan", originally created by Kaguya. (As to such, Hagoromo created a counter to it.)

Project Tsuki no Me (The Moon's eye plan) was created by Madara. Kaguya was the first to use Infinite Tsukuyomi, but she didn't use the moon. Hagoromo created the moon when he sealed the Gedo Mazo. The Rinnegan allows a person to summon the Mazo from the moon, which Madara did.

It was never said the Infinite Tsukuyomi required the moon. Madara's plan used the moon to trap more people inside the genjutsu.

 

[Shinato]

Project Tsuki no Me (The Moon's eye plan) was created by Madara. Kaguya was the first to use Infinite Tsukuyomi, but she didn't use the moon. Hagoromo created the moon when he sealed the Gedo Mazo. The Rinnegan allows a person to summon the Mazo from the moon, which Madara did.

It was never said the Infinite Tsukuyomi required the moon. Madara's plan used the moon to trap more people inside the genjutsu.

Hagoromo created and researched a counter to turn of the Tsukuyomi casted on the moon incase Kaguya's plan would succeed. Without the moon, the planet couldn't exist as it does. The moon was in place prior to Kaguya ever eating the fruit. Both logic and what Hagoromo said backs that up. He states that Kaguya used the exact same jutsu as Madara, not a version of it, but the exact same.

 

[Zawerni]

Hagoromo created and researched a counter to turn of the Tsukuyomi casted on the moon incase Kaguya's plan would succeed. Without the moon, the planet couldn't exist as it does. The moon was in place prior to Kaguya ever eating the fruit. Both logic and what Hagoromo said backs that up. He states that Kaguya used the exact same jutsu as Madara, not a version of it, but the exact same.

That exact same jutsu being the Infinite Tsukuyomi. He didn't say the method of casting it was the exact same. Hagoromo never said anything about the moon existing prior. Hagoromo did, however, say he left behind the Stone Monument that held information about Kaguya, the Infinite Tsukuyomi, and the Ten Tails. This same monument is what Madara read and as Madara said, Hagoromo sealed the Ten Tails' body (Gedo Mazo) which became the moon. Unless you can show me where it says Kaguya used the moon, it's not true.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Great interesting theory, I seroiusly think the Hyuga will play huge role in this movie. The reason I think that she is connected to the Hyuuga is how secretive the Hyuga are and how the main branch are treated with loyalty, to the point where nothing is more important than the survival of their heir.

Same as one would do with a royal family and the heir to their throne, note that Kaguya herself was noted to be like a goddess or a princess in many ways. Hinata was also referred as a princess in the same way So, the Hyuga likely draw their origins from these Ototsuki Warriors, of whom remained behind to stand watch over Kaguya's 'grave.' nThe fruit is the power to re-cast destiny, in a sense. It is a sort of monkey's paw, the power of which wise men do not trifle with.

I think Kaguya is aiming to launch an attack on the realm of the Gods or maybe the afterlife to gain something she wants. It may be that she sees this as her destiny, which would give another link to the Hyuga and their teaching of destinies.

The purpose of the Curse Seal is to prevent the rise of another Kaguya, and quite possibly to seal off branch members from greater abilities likely developed as a means of keeping the broader population of Hyuuga from being able to seek broader power as Kaguya did

This would also bring an opportunity to learn more about Hamura assuming he was alive after the battle with the juubi, he placed a seal on the child he believed was not worthy to be his heir. If this child were ever to grow jealous as Indra did the seal could be activated to stop the child from resorting to violence. However, Hamura's heir decided to use the seal as a way to subjugate his sibling, forcing him into a life of servitude. The heir would then place seals on his brothers children as well so that they can serve any children that he would have in turn. Thus the Hyuga clan and the main/branch system was born.


If you want to learn more, Here's what Aim said in his quote:

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The manga has already given us the answer.

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All is explained in the key.

The sun in Taoism is the concept of light - of yang. The darkness is the concept of Yin - shapeless, formless, etc. The moon is the cycling of Yin and Yang - Taiji and Wuji - which creates the 'tides' of the Four Movements - which then create the Eight Trigrams - or Bagua, that belie what is called the 'mundane' world in Taoist Alchemy.

The mundane world is largely a destined product that can be thought of as ripples in a pool of water set off by each drop of water. Splashing about in the pool sets off a series of events that are inescapable - they are destined - and can be divined through the I-Ching which makes use of the 64 hexagrams - which is the phases of cycling between the Bagua.

In certain segments of Taoism, a spiral has been used to represent the relationship between Taiji and Wuji - and the moon has always been used as a symbol of the Bagua and the transition from TaiYin to TaiYang. This is especially important within Taoist Alchemy - which is the process of attaining "True Yang" - or the "Elixir of Immortality" - originally gifted to the emperor of Japan by Kaguya-Hime before it was tossed into Mt. Fuji (an active volcano at the time) - since the Emperor did not wish to live forever without his beloved Kaguya.

The fruit of the God Tree is the Elixir of Immortality - the Golden Flower, in some references.

It is the essence of true Yang - of Taiji. With it, new destiny can be cast - true action can be taken. It is the spark of creation - the ability to truly do without doing.

The Hyuuga likely know far more about their origins than they have let on.

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Among Chinese and Japanese spiritual beliefs - the "swastika" is a common symbol for the sun:

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This has been simplified in many traditions to be the square, also.

Which harkens back to the key.

The square in the upper left hand corner. What is it?

It's the sun - the square is the symbol for the sun goddess, Amaterasu (within Shinto lore).

The center - a circle - the symbol for the sun god Tsukuyomi.

The eight (minus one - Lightning - the element of division, precisely what the key is intended to alter within the seal) bagua - triangles - the symbol for Susano'o - the god of the tempest and stars (which were navigational aids back in the day).

As one image clearly poses the question:

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Do you remember the comment made by Naruto?

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It's interesting - because a while prior to that - I speculated:

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We have not seen the last of Kaguya.

There's a whole lot more coming in this manga - like the real plot of the manga. Sasuke has been like a 600 chapter long filler arc that wore out its welcome after the second flash-back we were subjected to.

 

[Shinato]

That exact same jutsu being the Infinite Tsukuyomi. He didn't say the method of casting it was the exact same. Hagoromo never said anything about the moon existing prior. Hagoromo did, however, say he left behind the Stone Monument that held information about Kaguya, the Infinite Tsukuyomi, and the Ten Tails. This same monument is what Madara read and as Madara said, Hagoromo sealed the Ten Tails' body (Gedo Mazo) which became the moon. Unless you can show me where it says Kaguya used the moon, it's not true.

A theory is either backed up by logic or facts. (Or both) Which one of those you choose to believe is up to you however. So lets take the facts and the logic ideas around them. The planet needs the moon to exist as it does, that is logically speaking and if the Narutoverse doesn't have completely different natural laws than we do then that is the case there as well. (That is one reason why the moon existed prior to Kaguya.)

Hagoromo left a Stone Monument that explained about Kaguya, which was altered by Black Zetsu and held the explanation of the "Moon Eye Plan". How much of this that Madara made up on his own is unknown, but the fact that Black Zetsu planned on having the entire world enslaved under the Genjutsu is proof (logically) that he explained that the Genjutsu should be cast on the moon. We also know that the tablet said that ONLY Hagoromo sealed the Juubi, that we know was false. (Which means a whole lot of the info may be.)

Kaguya may never actually have used the moon, but she may have intended to do it. (That or travel all over the world to place everyone under her Genjutsu.) As Black Zetsu certainly seemed to think of it as part of his/Kaguya's plan. Furthermore! One awakens the 3rd eye by getting close to the Moon. Prior to Madara, only Kaguya had awoken the eye. This means that she most likely awoke the eye by getting close to the moon herself. I say this because of several reasons.

One being that Black Zetsu was the one that altered the tablet to state how you unlocked this eye. Either Black Zetsu knew of a way other than the one Kaguya had done it, which makes no sense, or it was a wild guess or Kaguya awoke it the same way.

So in other words, for your theory that the moon didn't exist prior to Kaguya being sealed to be true the following has to be facts:

The natural laws of the Narutoverse are completely different than ours and the moon as no use what so ever. (Meaning that in the upcoming movie they can solve the crises by simply destroying the moon.=\)

Black Zetsu had never intended the moon to be used and he hadn't intended that everyone was placed under the Genjutsu.

Kaguya had to awoken the 3rd eye in another way, yet Black Zetsu would only know about the way she awoke it.

 

[Zawerni]

A theory is either backed up by logic or facts. (Or both) Which one of those you choose to believe is up to you however. So lets take the facts and the logic ideas around them. The planet needs the moon to exist as it does, that is logically speaking and if the Narutoverse doesn't have completely different natural laws than we do then that is the case there as well. (That is one reason why the moon existed prior to Kaguya.)

Hagoromo left a Stone Monument that explained about Kaguya, which was altered by Black Zetsu and held the explanation of the "Moon Eye Plan". How much of this that Madara made up on his own is unknown, but the fact that Black Zetsu planned on having the entire world enslaved under the Genjutsu is proof (logically) that he explained that the Genjutsu should be cast on the moon. We also know that the tablet said that ONLY Hagoromo sealed the Juubi, that we know was false. (Which means a whole lot of the info may be.)

Kaguya may never actually have used the moon, but she may have intended to do it. (That or travel all over the world to place everyone under her Genjutsu.) As Black Zetsu certainly seemed to think of it as part of his/Kaguya's plan. Furthermore! One awakens the 3rd eye by getting close to the Moon. Prior to Madara, only Kaguya had awoken the eye. This means that she most likely awoke the eye by getting close to the moon herself. I say this because of several reasons.

One being that Black Zetsu was the one that altered the tablet to state how you unlocked this eye. Either Black Zetsu knew of a way other than the one Kaguya had done it, which makes no sense, or it was a wild guess or Kaguya awoke it the same way.

So in other words, for your theory that the moon didn't exist prior to Kaguya being sealed to be true the following has to be facts:

The natural laws of the Narutoverse are completely different than ours and the moon as no use what so ever. (Meaning that in the upcoming movie they can solve the crises by simply destroying the moon.=\)

Black Zetsu had never intended the moon to be used and he hadn't intended that everyone was placed under the Genjutsu.

Kaguya had to awoken the 3rd eye in another way, yet Black Zetsu would only know about the way she awoke it.

The third eye would awaken when the Juubi's Jinchuriki got close to the moon, that's how it happened with Madara. Kaguya was never a Jinchuriki. It is believed she received the third eye after eating the fruit.

Black Zetsu didn't change everything on the Stone Monument. He only changed parts of it to say the Infinite Tsukuyomi would save the Uchiha. That was how he was able to manipulate them and eventually Madara. Several things Black Zetsu said as part of his "This is what reeeaallyy happened" story make no sense. His speech created more holes in the story than it covered.

Also, due to the moon originally containing the Ten Tails, it had an effect on the Tailed Beasts and their Jinchuriki.

Gaara noted that Shukaku would relish the opportunity to kill anyone in sight because of its innate bloodlust, especially during a full moon.
Fukai also had trouble sleeping during a full moon and had to suppress partial transformations of Gyuki during it.

If Kaguya used the moon to cast Infinite Tsukuyomi, why would Black Zetsu feel the need to change the text so it said Hagoromo created the moon? It wouldn't make sense to. Also, Madara did summon the Mazo from the moon and connected himself to it.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Not bad.... I think?

 

[NineSNS]

Great theory and great read. You managed to build connections between what seemed like random facts and create a theory that makes sense.

 

[Byron123]

how dare you talk about tobidara like dat??..you dont even know what it is

I doubt that even you, his creator, knows what he is lol

OT: Very nice theory, quite radical and interesting.

 

[minamoto]

I doubt that even you, his creator, knows what he is lol

that must be the stupidest comment on NB....me dont know what tobidara is??!!..