[Spoilers] Kaguya or madara

[Mr Kays]

No eyed Madara > kaguya =D
At least madara with no eyes ( When he god revived ) can't be kicked by sakura :snick:

 

[NineSNS]

Madara was perfect, and I was ok with Kaguya, but not how the fight with her played out.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

There was no need for him to bring Kaguya. If Kishi knows he's horrible at making female characters, I don't see why he would make a female the FV.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Dude wtf madara wouldn't of rinne tensei anyone it's already been said nagato was EASILY pressured into that nagato is a push over
Madara would never not in a million years would he he wouldn't even do it for hashirama madara would of died like a goon KEEPING those who died dead

Kishi never leaves his main antagonists with a good backstory to not be tnj'd.
Example: zabuza,Gaara, Obito, Nagato, Konan, and obito. Hell even oro and sasuke have been tnj'd.
It's foolish to think that madara isn't going to get some sort of redemption at least.

 

[Toastykins]

TL;DR - Unlike Kaguya, Madara made perfect character and thematic sense as a final villain. He was actually, autonomously intelligent as well as actually, fully developed over a long period of time as a character and a threat and showed no signs of ever slowing down. Kaguya had none of those attributes.

Spoiler

Madara.

He had been slowly hyped and built up almost all the way back to Part 1, where his name was dropped in reverence at least once or twice, and certainly since the early days of Part 2. He was a legend and a monster who managed to recreate an eye that had only existed once before in history and cheated death on multiple occasions. He was an actual, legitimate threat who succeeded in killing the two main characters off (at least for a little while) and wiped the floor with almost everyone both while dead and then while not having any eyes whatsoever, including the nine most powerful creatures in the Narutoverse simultaneously.

So he was pretty well-established and he was making some serious headway in the 'threat' department, and things were about to get really intense with a final brawl between himself and Naruto and Sasuke. Everything was in place. Sasuke finally had a villain to whom he could relate to like Naruto had with Nagato/Pain and Obito, as well as a way to "redeem" his clan's name by taking down the guy who was largely responsible for destroying it in the first place. We even had Tenten in the wings with one of the Sage's tools, ready to actually be useful for once and seal him when it came down to it. Shit was getting real.

But then Kaguya happened, a woman who had been mentioned only *once* before, maybe ~30 chapters before she ganked Madara's body? Something like that? Mentioned offhandedly in a Madara lecture to Hashirama. A character with no goals, no build up, no personality, no history in the series to speak of, just waltzing on in and acting like she owned the place by way of Black Zetsu of all people. So she comes in, knocks down the guy who'd been pretty well established as the villain of the series for almost half its run, uses his body as her host and takes everyone to another dimension. And then another. And another. And that's most of what she did, along with a Morning Peacock clone and a technique that could've belonged to Kimimaro, which was her only really threatening move.

But she wasted all those abilities with a stunning lack of intelligence and personality. Black Zetsu had more personality than her and did most of the thinking on her behalf; almost everything she did that even remotely posed a threat to Naruto and co. was initially Black Zetsu's suggestion. But there was no real threatening aura to her, for me. I had no idea who she was and tbh I couldn't really care because for the first couple of weeks I felt cheated out of a fight that actually could've been interesting, and then after that there was just nothing really to her worth paying much mind to. She was a mother who felt betrayed by her sons because she went batshit and wanted ALL the chakra, big whoop. Why was I supposed to care? She didn't fit in with the story's narrative at all and STILL doesn't.

Kaguya COULD have been interesting, yes, but Kishimoto rushed her horrendously. He probably came up with her at the last second and then tried to forcibly jam her in there because he thought she was neat, using Black Zetsu to retroactively screw up his entire story and give her some sort of precedence when she honestly had none. She should've been saved for his next manga where she could've been built up and given depth and explored and maybe be an actual threat. Madara was perfectly fine as a final villain and a foil to the two main characters and would've been a perfect place to end the manga.

And hopefully, with Kaguya gone and him still living, he still will be, because if it ends like this, then damn was that a shitty way for this manga to go out. It'd still be marginally better than how Reborn ended, though.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Lord Madara is bliss.

 

[Orochimagus]

Kaguya of course. Why the hell would Kishimoto skip one of the most important chapters of the mythology because of fanboys?

I rather get backstory on the sage and Kaguya than on a mere past vessel of Indra as final villain. With such logic, he was already dead and the story could have continued without him with Obito becoming the Sage. Just giving Obito the power ups Kishi just handed over to Madara.

 

[24farone]

Kishi never leaves his main antagonists with a good backstory to not be tnj'd.
Example: zabuza,Gaara, Obito, Nagato, Konan, and obito. Hell even oro and sasuke have been tnj'd.
It's foolish to think that madara isn't going to get some sort of redemption at least.

I'm obito has decent backstory gaara has a good backstory madara has an amazing backstory nagato has a decent backstory not to mention amazing character
Zabuzas backstory doesn't really matter because he isn't one of those villains that effect the actual storyline like what are you all the others actually have key parts nice job idiot

 

[24farone]

Kaguya is the juubi fyi.
The juubi had a ton of hype.
"Swallowed oceans, splits the land, carried mountains, and created countries"
"The progenitor of everything that exists in this world"
"The beginning of all chakra"

She didn't have that hype built up like what... Be honest here we all should have known something was going to go down with madara since part one in the fight at the final valley with sasuke standing on madaras statue if ou didn't you are stupid his build up has been going on since part 1 mentioning him here and there and kishimoto just sprang that on us her being then ten tails because when he actually created her
She wasn't in fact she was just the mother of hagoromo I knew kaguya before she was even in manga her build up sucked madara progressed with a plan she's nothing but pure power

 

[24farone]

Kaguya of course. Why the hell would Kishimoto skip one of the most important chapters of the mythology because of fanboys?

I rather get backstory on the sage and Kaguya than on a mere past vessel of Indra as final villain. With such logic, he was already dead and the story could have continued without him with Obito becoming the Sage. Just giving Obito the power ups Kishi just handed over to Madara.

What are you talking about bringing the sage in is completely different he was revered as a simple legend and a god not to mention you should know his back story why is it no one knew about kaguya and hagoromo before I did like wtf

 

[darthvader5666]

Yup, Kishi should have stuck with Madara.

 

[demon sage]

I like kaguya but i also like madara i think the only reason i think kishi made kaguya was to explain the origin of the hyuga clan through hamura. But madara was a better villain then kaguya kishi nerfed both of them.