Kaguya or Madara: who's better at manipulation?

UCHIHAKUNOICHI

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Definitely Kaguya, because she was the one that created Black zetsu, and Black zetsu manipulated madara!

That's actually true, but I would say that if somebody was to be manipulated randomly, I would say that we would have a higher chance to Madara manipulate someone than Kaguya. I mean, his name itself is power and managed to fool the Kage even after his death, something that Kaguya didn't do, she was in fact, forgotten.
 

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Madara said a good amount of that just to hurt Obito, but most of it was not true. Madara did not pick Obito, as he was old, immobilized, and stuck underground. Black Zetsu chose Obito, planted darkness in his heart by manipulating the events leading to Rin's death, and then proceeded to be by Obito's side for the rest of his life, teaching him how to manipulate others or doing it for him. Hell, they say that whenever Tobi acted like a goofball it was really White Zetsu, and whenever he acted seriously it was Obito. But I disagree. Whenever Tobi acted seriously, and began claiming to be Madara Uchiha, it was not Obito but rather Black Zetsu. At a certain point, Obito stopped using White Zetsu to become Tobi and started using Black Zetsu to become Madara.​

Good comparision, actually, I never thought about that.
It would be a good idea to Kishimoto explore a little about Zetsu and Black Zetsu. Not just because they manipulated the entire shinobi world, but because they know intimate secrets about the most important villains: Kaguya and Madara. They know their weaknesses and all their plans.
If I was to make a comparision, I would say they are the "evil" incarnate, because they did not care if a entire family was to be slaughtered, which happened with the Uchiha, nor they did care if a person was scarring themselves as Madara did when he left his clan, or Kaguya who is still seeking for revenge.
 
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I thought Zetsu did the manipulating. Can't believe Kaguya never uttered a word talk about being voiceless.
 
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Black Zetsu IS Kaguya. It is the equivalent of a homonculus and is the intelligence whilst Kaguya (as we know her) is the husk and the chakra.

This isn't even a question when the main person Kaguya manipulated was Madara.
 

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That's actually true, but I would say that if somebody was to be manipulated randomly, I would say that we would have a higher chance to Madara manipulate someone than Kaguya. I mean, his name itself is power and managed to fool the Kage even after his death, something that Kaguya didn't do, she was in fact, forgotten.

I agree.
 

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kaguya She is the best at it. She was very good at making madara her puppet.
 

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Will of Kaguya, Black Zetsu. He manipulated generations of people.
 

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Black Zetsu is Kaguya son, they are not the same person. Calling Black Zetsu and Kaguya the same person is like calling Naruto and Boruto the same person just because they are father are son.

Orochimaru created Shin doesn't make Orochimaru and Shin the same person.
 
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