Kaguya is severely underestimated!

[chaos control]

Manga got even more epic when she appeared.

I fixed your post too!

 

[LeSauce]

She got hit by part 1 moves. Seriously, Itachi was able to counter those clone feints.

Kaguya is powerful and all, but she has no fighting experience and that makes her less intimidating.

BTW Sasuke and Naruto are half of Madara's power, Kaguya was said to make that power look like nothing. Logically Naruto should not have been able to even touch her, none of them should. That's why it made sense that their only chance was to place the seal on her.

 

[Lightbringer]

No, it means that Kishi can not just let Naruto and Sasuke plain lose! Madara was stronger than both of them as well, yet we know that he would have eventually lost if Black Zetsu had not betrayed him. Obito was stronger than Naruto and Sasuke, yet he lost. It is only natural for the villains to lose.

Yeah but Madara's power-scaling was closer to Naruto and Sasuke giving them a chance to rival it. Also Sasuke had the Jutsu from Hashirama which was never used, but would probably have been a deciding factor in the battle.

When Kaguya revived, Sasuke commented on how Madara's power didn't even compare.


I know it's plot and heros can't lose, but that's not helping Kaguya case either. It means Kishi writes her out to be a terrible fighter and a terrible villain.

 

[cafe123]

I fixed your post too!

Fair enough if you like it, but if you look at the common consensus, most people would probably agree with me, you already see many posts wishing this battle would end quickly so that we can move on to better things.

 

[Vapid]

To like Kaguya is to sin in the face of God.

 

[~Sky~]

Kaguya's just chilling it seems like.

 

[chaos control]

She got hit by part 1 moves. Seriously, Itachi was able to counter those clone feints.

Kaguya is powerful and all, but she has no fighting experience and that makes her less intimidating.

BTW Sasuke and Naruto are half of Madara's power, Kaguya was said to make that power look like nothing. Logically Naruto should not have been able to even touch her, none of them should. That's why it made sense that their only chance was to place the seal on her.

Like I said, Kaguya was not fooled by the clones. Black Zetsu was. Kaguya blocked Naruto's clones' kicks when Naruto did the U-zu-ma-ki Naruto barrage and she dispersed many of them in the most recent chapter. Therefore, she did not get hit by a part 1 technique. Also, yes Itachi has beaten clones, but he has not fought senjutsu of the six paths clones. As for the sexy jutsu, who wouldn't be surprised in the least if a bunch of naked people just suddenly popped up before them? That moment was really more so for comedic relief (even if you didn't find it funny). I address the whole "Madara was closer to them" argument in the lower post.

Yeah but Madara's power-scaling was closer to Naruto and Sasuke giving them a chance to rival it. Also Sasuke had the Jutsu from Hashirama which was never used, but would probably have been a deciding factor in the battle.

When Kaguya revived, Sasuke commented on how Madara's power didn't even compare.


I know it's plot and heros can't lose, but that's not helping Kaguya case either. It means Kishi writes her out to be a terrible fighter and a terrible villain.

Yes, Sasuke said that Madara's power didn't even compare, but he was referring to chakara reserve. Yes Kaguya's chakara>>>>> Madara's, but the chakara reserve alone doesn't make much of a difference. It is about the specific techniques, not just the amount of chakara. A guy with an infinite amount of chakara, but no jutsus is still fodder. That is how this series is as opposed to DBZ where it is all about the amount of energy you have.

Therefore, Madara wasn't really that far below Kaguya. Naruto and Sasuke aren't either considering the fact that Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke the power that he and his brother used to seal Kaguya.

Like I said, Naruto is a pseudo juubi jin (a.k.a a pseudo Kaguya jin).

 

[chaos control]

To hate Kaguya is to sin in the face of God and be stupid.

^^^^^^This

 

[Great Sage of Uchiha]

Someone has been looking at too much kaguya hentai lol Just messin but seriously i wouldn't put her in my top 10 villains personality wise but power wise yeah most definitely.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

I think one of the main reasons people aren't exactly found of Kaguya is the lack of character development she has compared to former villains. Obito was a ***** who got friend zoned. Madara was just ruthless uchiha searching for ultimate power. Kaguya, on the otherhand, she doesn't really have a character to her. As a result, readers can't relate or understand her side of the story or why she is who she is. Besides that she is just a god. That's what I think. U_U

You say that like Kishi isn't going to reveal her backstory and motives.

Considering she probably has creation of all things and also possesses absolute control over her dimensions, yet can't beat 2 shinobi that possess only a fraction of her power means she's incredibly overrated.

No, she was owning Sasuke without a killing intent. Naruto was the only problem and the power gap should not be that great.

 

[LeSauce]

Like I said, Kaguya was not fooled by the clones. Black Zetsu was. Kaguya blocked Naruto's clones' kicks when Naruto did the U-zu-ma-ki Naruto barrage and she dispersed many of them in the most recent chapter. Therefore, she did not get hit by a part 1 technique. Also, yes Itachi has beaten clones, but he has not fought senjutsu of the six paths clones. As for the sexy jutsu, who wouldn't be surprised in the least if a bunch of naked people just suddenly popped up before them? That moment was really more so for comedic relief (even if you didn't find it funny). I address the whole "Madara was closer to them" argument in the lower post.



Yes, Sasuke said that Madara's power didn't even compare, but he was referring to chakara reserve. Yes Kaguya's chakara>>>>> Madara's, but the chakara reserve alone doesn't make much of a difference. It is about the specific techniques, not just the amount of chakara. A guy with an infinite amount of chakara, but no jutsus is still fodder. That is how this series is as opposed to DBZ where it is all about the amount of energy you have.

Therefore, Madara wasn't really that far below Kaguya. Naruto and Sasuke aren't either considering the fact that Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke the power that he and his brother used to seal Kaguya.

Like I said, Naruto is a pseudo juubi jin (a.k.a a pseudo Kaguya jin).

She was forced into another dimension to evade them, so it worked. It doesn't matter if he wasn't fighting those specific clones when it's basically the same thing. In both situations Naruto is fighting a superior being with weaker clones, she should have been dispelling them with ease just like Itachi did. I'm not talking about what happened inside the dinension.

It's for comedic effect, but it still happened and all it did was downgrade Kaguya's character. Would Madara, Orochimaru, Pain, and Obito fall for that trick?

More chakra equals more power. Compare the Juubi's TBB with Kurama's.

Kaguya not knowing how to fight and falling for part 1 tricks makes her less intimidating.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

She was forced into another dimension to evade them, so it worked. It doesn't matter if he wasn't fighting those specific clones when it's basically the same thing. In both situations Naruto is fighting a superior being with weaker clones, she should have been dispelling them with ease just like Itachi did. I'm not talking about what happened inside the dinension.

It's for comedic effect, but it still happened. All it did was downgrade Kaguya's character. Would Madara, Orochimaru, Pain, and Obito fall for that trick?

More chakra equals more power. Compare the Juubi's TBB with KKurama's.

What are talking about? Chakra does not equal more power. Naruto in part 1 had more than Kakashi.

 

[LeSauce]

What are you talking about? Oh and chakra does not equal more power. Naruto in part 1 had more than Kakashi.

He could make more clones than Kakashi could, he just didn't know how to fight.

It's the same with Kaguya, though to a lesser extent.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

He could make more clones than Kakashi could, he just didn't know how to fight.

It's the same with Kaguya, though to a lesser extent.

But she is already overpowering the clones in the latest chapter, so what are talking about? Btw, have you forgotten that *** no Jutsu worked on the third hokage?

 

[LeSauce]

But she is already overpowering the clones in the latest chapter, so what are talking about? Btw, have you forgotten that *** no Jutsu worked on the third hokage?

Yeah, and all i'm saying is that she should have done that since the beginning. The third hokage is a joke (my opinion).

 

[LeSauce]

But she is already overpowering the clones in the latest chapter, so what are talking about? Btw, have you forgotten that *** no Jutsu worked on the third hokage?

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Yeah, and all i'm saying is that she should have done that since the beginning. The third hokage is a joke (my opinion).

A joke? The third Hokage in his prime was holding back Kurama.

 

[chaos control]

She was forced into another dimension to evade them, so it worked. It doesn't matter if he wasn't fighting those specific clones when it's basically the same thing. In both situations Naruto is fighting a superior being with weaker clones, she should have been dispelling them with ease just like Itachi did. I'm not talking about what happened inside the dinension.

It's for comedic effect, but it still happened and all it did was downgrade Kaguya's character. Would Madara, Orochimaru, Pain, and Obito fall for that trick?

More chakra equals more power. Compare the Juubi's TBB with Kurama's.

Kaguya not knowing how to fight and falling for part 1 tricks makes her less intimidating.

You say the word evasion like it is a victory for Naruto. The fact that she evaded them means that they didn't work. If someone was trying to kill me with a gun, but I evaded the bullet, then that is clearly my victory and the other person's failure. Evasion and blocking = success on the evader and blocker's part.

Also, she did defeat the clones with ease as shown in the last chapter and with the clone that she demolished easily in the core dimension.

Madara, Obito and the others would have fallen for the sexy jutsu if Kishi had decided to make this particular comic relief moment during their battles. He just didn't. That is not Kaguya's fault. Kaguya can't control what Kishi does and when he decides to add comic relief.

If anything it actually shows how strong Kaguya is that Naruto had to resort to such an unorthodox distraction (which he never had to do with Madara).

More chakara = more power only for pure chakara based techniques like tailed beast bombs. This logic does not apply however for jutsus with other effects (like dimensional shifting or nature manipulation). Therefore, the chakara amount is not too relevant. It is all about what effects your jutsus have and how to counter them (like how Naruto broke out of Kaguya's nature manipulation using the strength boost of Kokuo).

She knows how to fight and did not fall for any part 1 tricks.

 

[LeSauce]

She couldn't fight them off, so she ran away because it was overwhelming her. Sasuke and many others were able to fight off multiple clones, this shows that she's not too skilled. He resorted to the "basics" so part 1 feints.

Yeah, i'll admit that it's Kishi's fault, but it still happened. She was still tricked by a jutsu that Naruto invented as a child. Just think about that.

The point is that Kaguya is so much stronger than Madara that Sasuke thought their only way to defeat her was to seal her. Unlike Madara who was supposedly equal to their combined power she's much stronger. She destroyed their stronger techniques as if it was nothing, yet she can't kill Naruto and even gets pushed back to an extent because of her lack of fighting skills.

She has all this power and can't take care of someone with less than half her power, it's just degrading for her.

 

[AGoodBoy]

You can''t be underestimated when you genuinely ****ing suck. Naruto's basically casually holding his own against her right now and she's supposed to be soooo much stronger than madara. The last time naruto smacked madara around he was regenerating from having his side blasted out and lost his gojou damas. Once madara gained his 2nd eye he was handling both naruto and sasuke casually and that was only with his rinnegan eyes; He didn't display his 9tomoe, mokuton skills or juubi yet. Kaguya's just getting punked by sexy jutsu and mass shadow clone. Lmfao.