Kaguya Is Not Omnipotent At All...

[Itachi4life]

Kaguya is useless fodder.She never should have replaced Maddy.Madara>>>>>>Kaguya featwise.

 

[shelke]

I'm saying we don't know her motivation yet.

Then I will gladly change my mind IF something decent is revealed about her. But for now, I don't find her likable.

You're missing the point, if Obito wouldn't of attacked the village and endangered the life of Naurto, Kurama wouldn't of been released and killed anyone.

During the Pain Arc. The seal wasn't fully undone. Minato strengthened it.

During the war Arc. Naruto died and got revived.

If you didn't get a word of the 1st paragraph then please do continue with your selective reading.

I don't want to get into a prolonged debate on this, but I think all have a right to Bijuus. There is no right and wrong in snatching them away from the other Village. As just because Hashirama declared some sort of political authority over them, doesn't make Akatsuki's Bijuu pillaging any more unreasonable. That's all I would say.

The only instance I am referring to, is the war arc. That's it. Minato could have resealed Kurama within Kushina and saved her life.

No seriously, you don't make any sense in the first paragraph. Rephrase it.

 

[TwistedSmile]

It kinda makes sense she can't tell the difference between kage bunshins and real people since Tobirama was the one to invent the jutsu. Therefore Maddie was around when the jutsu was created whereas she wasn't. And no matter what Kaguya does things can't be more embarrassing than this:

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[Dantee]

I rather have Madara back if she's going to take orders from BZ and is dimension shifting really the extent of her powers.

 

[To Whatever]

Then I will gladly change my mind IF something decent is revealed about her. But for now, I don't find her likable.



I don't want to get into a prolonged debate on this, but I think all have a right to Bijuus. There is no right and wrong in snatching them away from the other Village. As just because Hashirama declared some sort of political authority over them, doesn't make Akatsuki's Bijuu pillaging any more unreasonable. That's all I would say.

The only instance I am referring to, is the war arc. That's it. Minato could have resealed Kurama within Kushina and saved her life.

No seriously, you don't make any sense in the first paragraph. Rephrase it.

I somewhat agree with you about the bijuu. Although we know what the Akatsuki's intentions were with the Bijuu and Hashirama's were no way as bad as that.

But i'm talking more about Obito being the cause of Kushina and Minato's death. You cannot say that Obito didn't play a major part in what occured that night of Naruto's birth.

No, he couldn't. Re-read the flashback and understand that the situations Naruto and Kushina were in are different as were the circumstances.

Agree to disagree otherwise.

 

[shelke]

I somewhat agree with you about the bijuu. Although we know what the Akatsuki's intentions were with the Bijuu and Hashirama's were no way as bad as that.

But i'm talking more about Obito being the cause of Kushina and Minato's death. You cannot say that Obito didn't play a major part in what occured that night of Naruto's birth.

No, he couldn't. Re-read the flashback and understand that the situations Naruto and Kushina were in are different as were the circumstances.

Agree to disagree otherwise.

Hashirama threw the world into chaos by handing over Bijuus amongst Nations - something they would quarrel and vie over for generations.

He was one of the factors, but not the entire cause.

I know about the manga just like the next individual. I don't see your point - Kushina would have been saved via resealing.

 

[To Whatever]

Hashirama threw the world into chaos by handing over Bijuus amongst Nations - something they would quarrel and vie over for generations.

He was one of the factors, but not the entire cause.

I know about the manga just like the next individual. I don't see your point - Kushina would have been saved via resealing.

Hashirama's intentions were to equalize power among the nations and have some resemblance of peace.

Obito's intentions were to steal the Juubi by any means for the Moon Eye plan. If anyone threw the world into chaos, it's Black zetsu. and possibly Tobirama since he didn't destroy Madara's body. But i'm not focusing on the chaos part, even though he played a major role in it. I'm referring to his hand in Naruto's parents' death.

Kushina being saved is speculation, much like Naruto's case during that time. We don't even know if it was too late or if it was even going to work.

The only reason Bee survived was because Gyuki compensated by giving him a portion of his chakra before the initial extraction. Naruto and Kurama didn't have that luxury and they were stripped from each other 100%.

 

[Dr Doom]

I totally agree, Madara made things interesting with his villainy. Cocky, rude, OP but still made mistakes but had a endless list of plans. Hell I even like Obito better as a villain. My opinion of him was that he was a crappy villain but a better hero once he turned good again.

Kaguya is BORING, has no connections to the characters, is totally random. She made a appearance when imo the war should've ended with Madara. I'm just ready for her to be defeated so we can move on and end the story.

 

[Dr Doom]

Hashirama's intentions were to equalize power among the nations and have some resemblance of peace.

Obito's intentions were to steal the Juubi by any means for the Moon Eye plan. If anyone threw the world into chaos, it's Black zetsu. and possibly Tobirama since he didn't destroy Madara's body. But i'm not focusing on the chaos part, even though he played a major role in it. I'm referring to his hand in Naruto's parents' death.

Kushina being saved is speculation, much like Naruto's case during that time. We don't even know if it was too late or if it was even going to work.

The only reason Bee survived was because Gyuki compensated by giving him a portion of his chakra before the initial extraction. Naruto and Kurama didn't have that luxury and they were stripped from each other 100%.

What anime is your sig from btw? That character looks interesting.

 

[shelke]

Hashirama's intentions were to equalize power among the nations and have some resemblance of peace.

Obito's intentions were to steal the Juubi by any means for the Moon Eye plan. If anyone threw the world into chaos, it's Black zetsu. and possibly Tobirama since he didn't destroy Madara's body. But i'm not focusing on the chaos part, even though he played a major role in it. I'm referring to his hand in Naruto's parents' death.

Kushina being saved is speculation, much like Naruto's case during that time. We don't even know if it was too late or if it was even going to work.

The only reason Bee survived was because Gyuki compensated by giving him a portion of his chakra before the initial extraction. Naruto and Kurama didn't have that luxury and they were stripped from each other 100%.

Those Bijuus could have been kept in objects. To lend Villages weapons for further carnage? I don't see any reason to defend this decision.

Tobirama is responsible for a lot of chaos. I agree on this.

There was no difference, just poor writing. Kushina could have been saved, when she was actually still breathing. Naruto was literally dead in mere seconds.

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

To be very honest, I don't want her getting replaced. Because that would mean yet another redundant arc of cheesy villainy. I have had enough of that. But from the looks of it ... our misery isn't quite over. BZ most probably will replace her.

Also, she's a terrible villain and a character ... and I thought Obito after his Naruto wankery of the highest order was bad. Sad.

She just needs to be defeated quickly. I just want to see Naruto vs Sasuke so the manga can finally be put to rest... But i'll be honest after reading early Shippuden, i always thought that Zetsu was going to be play a huge. And look where he is now!

 

[chaos control]

Review of the damage that Kaguya has done so far:

She oneshotted Sasuke's susanoo and hawk with hair senbon.

She then oneshotted Sasuke's perfect susanoo with a smack (which would have killed Sasuke if Naruto wasn't there for Sasuke to latch onto).

She temporarily paralyzed Naruto and Sasuke in that chapter when she cried. That was more than enough opportunity for Kaguya to kill them. They are just lucky that she just wanted their chakara.

She surprised Sasuke and warped him away from behind. He is only alive because of plot. Had Kaguya just thrown him back into the lava dimension, or some other dangerous place, then Sasuke would have been dead. It was luck that she only threw him into a desert.

As you can see, Kaguya >>>> Sasuke. Sasuke is very powerful! Therefore Kaguya deserves her hype. It is just Naruto that is holding his own.

You people act like Naruto's senjutsu of the six paths is just some fodder power.

Also, Kaguya could just easily cast infinite tsukuyomi on Naruto with her rinnegan and it would be over. Kishi just won't let her do that. Nature manipulation is also very powerful. People ignore these facts.

 

[iKaras]

Didn't read yet...just gonna say yes.

 

[shelke]

She just needs to be defeated quickly. I just want to see Naruto vs Sasuke so the manga can finally be put to rest... But i'll be honest after reading early Shippuden, i always thought that Zetsu was going to be play a huge. And look where he is now!

At this point, I just think Sasuke Versus Naruto would feel forced. Unless it's not a friendly fight.

 

[saw2097]

What on Earth made people think she was omnipotent, if you even know what the word means you would know that no villain can qualify as such.

Omnipotent means all powerful, if she was that strong she could kill Naruto just by willing it.

She has never been in a fight before so naturally she is someone who has a lot of power but lacks combat experience, which I suspect is her Achilles heel.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Anyone who even stated kaguya is omnipotent in the first place is a fudge.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Btw, that's not the same dimension Sasuke is in. One is rocky while the other one is desert.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

shelke, his word of resolve weren't meant for us, it was for himself and Naruto. To convey that he's changed. Whether you like it or not doesn't matter to anyone except yourself. No one cares.

Uh, who released a giant fox onto Konoha? He kind of caused the events to happen the way they did. Minato was pretty much backed into a corner. He couldn't let Kurama roam around the village during the time. He really had no other choice but to RDS. Also, it was the extraction that started her death clock.

Except he did have a choice. Kushina, his sealing techniques teacher, even said so herself, she asked why he was using RDS when he could use so many other sealing techniques, and he gave a BS reason bwt prophesy. Also, she was going to re-seal the kyubi into herself, which, as we have seen from the events in the war, would have saved her life and kep Kurama as a konoha bijuu, but he said no lemmie jus commit suicide for no reason. But, having said that, I won't blame Minato or Kushina for that, I think the real person to blame is Kishimoto, because recent events just show how blatantly plot no jutsu ridden that arc was. How on earth did both Kushina and Minato not know that re-sealing the bijuu into her would save her life? Yet in the war, Minato acts like it's common knowledge when he attempts to seal yin Kurama into Naruto after extraction? That's just BS right there.

 

[Mellanoma]

Kaguya never fought weaponized Ninjutsu.

She was a priestest who never trully fought anyone requiring her to use ninjutsu or have ninjutsu used against her.

 

[flyboyissac]

You mad she soloed the uchihas in 1 panel

As you see in the end she could have beaten everything she holding back and she has f omnipotent sue draws unlimited charka from the planet she just can use all of what she has at once that alot of chakra lost.

She draws power from nature itself she one with the planet.