Kaguya is a worse villian than madara

[bigfatloser]

After only one chapter you are judging her as a villain? Give her a chance for petes sake.

And if it's backstory you want, we will be getting that in the next few chapters.

my problem is she's the final villain of a 700 chapter series who was only introduced in the last 30 chapters or so and has had zero development over the course of the manga. as someone posted later, even madara had lore scattered over ~200 chapters and then ~80 chapters of obito pretending to be madara for build up and then ~80 chapters of madara himself. Most of that didn't really explore madara himself as a character, but at least madara as an ideal was fleshed out.

Kaguya literally came out of nowhere, with none of orochimaru's development (we see him do evil things and learn about him based on how he acts) and next to no build-up from other sources (madara was fleshed out from 3rd person, lots of people saying what he's like and less of seeing him act himself.) The only person who even know of Kaguya are the dead so6p, madara and black zetsu.

her being explained over the next few chapters simply seems like lazy story-telling. the fights underway already so there's no build-up.

I said this many times but Kaguya to me is the type of character that's great for legend/folklore but not as part of the main storyline, we don't know anything about her, she's only been introduced at the very end of the Naruto series whereas Madara has been a constant presence throughout so it's fitting that he's the final villain.

This is more or less my point. Even if we didn't see madara working 'real time' like we saw oro developing his plans, madara was featured in the manga a long ways back.

To each his own. I think its quite refreshing that we at last have a woman who is really OP in the series.

I strongly agree with this, I just don't think pushing her out at the last second like kishi did is good story-telling

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Well so far Kaguya is a flat, 2D villain. She has no development and was just shoved in literally out of nowhere near the end of the manga, and until recently we didn't even know she was a bad guy.

I mostly felt that way about Madara, but at least while Obito was pretending to be Madara, we got a few hundred chapters to learn about him. So when he appeared, we had that "shit just got real" feeling, even though it was all completely slopped together.

 

[bigfatloser]

Well so far Kaguya is a flat, 2D villain. She has no development and was just shoved in literally out of nowhere near the end of the manga, and until recently we didn't even know she was a bad guy.

I mostly felt that way about Madara, but at least while Obito was pretending to be Madara, at least we got a few hundred chapters to learn about him. So when he appeared, we had that "shit just got real" feeling, even though it was all completely slopped together.

this is my exact feeling.

oro was great, original naruto villain that made me interested in the series
madara wasn't as great cause it felt like he came out of nowhere; all the developed characters were pushed aside and madara got the spot-light. but even madara had plenty of build-up from 3rd person sources and he took it to the next level for the first time. but yea it was kinda sloppy
SO6P has existed for like half the manga i think. he would have made a better villain than kaguya. the problem with kaguya is madara x100, we hadn't even heard about her 3 months ago and now she's stolen the show. she's just a faceless god level enemy.