Kagutsuchi is Sasuke's second eye technique!!

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The above image proves that it is a Mangekyou Sharingan technique!! The veins in Sasuke's eye tighten and show, which shows the type of strain only a Mangekyou Sharingan technique can cause. The sound effects around his eye prove that he is casting a legit Mangekyou Sharingan jutsu!!

Every freaking genjutsu used through Mangekyou Sharingan isn't Tsukuyomi! Mangekyou amplifies the effects of regular Sharingan genjutsu, giving the user paralysing and manipulative powers over their target.

Obito controlled Yagura with a Mangekyou Sharingan genjutsu, the same genjutsu he used on Konan to extract information about the Rinnegan!! That was the same class of genjutsu that Sasuke used on the Kumo guard to extract information about Bee, and then later in the fight with Bee to immobilise him.

Tsukuyomi is the manipulation of time and space inside a genjutsu.

Kagutsuchi is the manipulation of Amaterasu.

Kagutsuchi is Sasuke's second eye technique!!


Answer me this.......

If Danzo had witnessed Itachi putting out the flames of Amaterasu and said this: "That's nothing compared to Sasuke's Kagutsuchi, with which he can freely control the flames".

Would that mean Itachi has Kagutsuchi?!?

itachi can stop the amaterasu if he was better at it
it probably would be kagatsuchi

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[CJ Mac]

Sasuke has the same abilities that Itachi had. The only differences are that their eyes are reversed and that they have different levels of proficiency with their techniques. In other words, Itachi summons Amaterasu with his right eye while Sasuke does it with his left, and Itachi controls Amaterasu with his left while Sasuke uses his left. Sasuke pales in comparison to Itachi when using genjutsu while apparently he is better at controlling Amaterasu.

 

[The God of Wind]

Sasuke has the same abilities that Itachi had. The only differences are that their eyes are reversed and that they have different levels of proficiency with their techniques. In other words, Itachi summons Amaterasu with his right eye while Sasuke does it with his left, and Itachi controls Amaterasu with his left while Sasuke uses his left. Sasuke pales in comparison to Itachi when using genjutsu while apparently he is better at controlling Amaterasu.

Exactly both of those abilities are two distinct techniques! Tsukuyomi and Kagutsuchi!

 

[KidGamer65]

No its not, Sasuke's Mangekyo Sharingan techniques are Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. The Genjutsu Sasuke used on Bee was his own version of Tsukuyomi, due to not being as good at it as Itachi he can't manipulate Time and Space, that is unique to Itachi and Itachi alone.

Before you try to tell me it was some normal Sharingan Genjutsu or some amplified MS Genjutsu, look at Sasuke after he cast the Genjutsu on Bee. He was holding his eye because of the strain of using an MS technique and panting, obvious characteristics of MS techniques. The one he used on the Kumo Guard moments before didn't cause any strain to his eye whatsoever so it obviously wasn't the same class of Genjutsu.

Also you said: "If Danzo had witnessed Itachi putting out the flames of Amaterasu and said this:

"That's nothing compared to Sasuke's Kagutsuchi, with which he can freely control the flames".

Would that mean Itachi has Kagutsuchi?!?"

This really doesn't make much sense, why would Danzo even be comparing putting out Amaterasu to adding Shape Transformation to it via Kagutsuchi in the first place? Those are completely different things, what Danzo was talking about in the manga was about the same thing: The power of the both Tsukuyomi's in comparison to each other.

 

[The God of Wind]

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That much is apparent, and remember this is still speculation: it's not truth until explicitly stated. I am actually constructing a new page with links. When it's finished, I will send you the link. ​

The fact that Sasuke yelled out: Enton Kagutsuchi!! IS the same as spelling it out for everyone!

And later when Sasuke says Double Mangekyou awakens Susanoo is also explicitly stating it!

When they are up against Kabuto, and Itachi says Tsukuyomi as Sasuke says GENJUTSU SHARINGAN while casting genjutsu on each other IS PRACTICALLY SPELLING IT OUT FOR EVERYONE THAT STILL DIDN'T GET IT FROM THE FIRST TWO INSTANCES!!

Also you said: "If Danzo had witnessed Itachi putting out the flames of Amaterasu and said this:

"That's nothing compared to Sasuke's Kagutsuchi, with which he can freely control the flames".

Would that mean Itachi has Kagutsuchi?!?"

This really doesn't make much sense, why would Danzo even be comparing putting out Amaterasu to adding Shape Transformation to it via Kagutsuchi in the first place? Those are completely different things, what Danzo was talking about in the manga was about the same thing: The power of the both Tsukuyomi's in comparison to each other.

It makes perfect sense, putting out the unquenchable flames of Amaterasu is also a form of manipulation.

Also....the genjutsu that Sasuke used has a name, it has been written in the databook, let me just find it.

ALSO!! The time both Sasuke and Itachi used genjutsu on each other proves it!! Itachi says Tsukuyomi while Sasuke says GENJUTUSU SHARINGAN! Tell me why that is so?

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That^ is the same eye, and the same MS amplified genjutsu! Not Tsukuyomi. Kishimoto cannot possibly explain things any further.

 

[KidGamer65]

It makes perfect sense, putting out the unquenchable flames of Amaterasu is also a form of manipulation.

Also....the genjutsu that Sasuke used has a name, it has been written in the databook, let me just find it.

ALSO!! The time both Sasuke and Itachi used genjutsu on each other proves it!! Itachi says Tsukuyomi while Sasuke says GENJUTUSU SHARINGAN! Tell me why that is so?

It still isn't Enton Kagutsuchi, which is adding Shape Transformation to the already existing flames, not making them disappear completely. Why would his right eye MS jutsu be a jutsu he can only use when Amaterasu has already been used? Kagutsuchi and Enton altogether is simply an add on so to speak to Sasuke's Amaterasu just like Time and Space Manipulation is Itachi's add on to Tsukuyomi.

I know that whatever you find in the databook won't match the description because that Genjutsu caused him strain, no Sharingan Genjutsu has ever caused anyone strain before in this series besides Tsukuyomi.

When he used it on Itachi, it obviously wasn't Tsukuyomi as he didn't feel any strain in his eye after using it like he did when he used it on Bee.

Not to mention the Databook says you need Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi for Susanoo.

 

[The God of Wind]

It still isn't Enton Kagutsuchi, which is adding Shape Transformation to the already existing flames, not making them disappear completely. Why would his right eye MS jutsu be a jutsu he can only use when Amaterasu has already been used? Kagutsuchi and Enton altogether is simply an add on so to speak to Sasuke's Amaterasu just like Time and Space Manipulation is Itachi's add on to Tsukuyomi.

I know that whatever you find in the databook won't match the description because that Genjutsu caused him strain, no Sharingan Genjutsu has ever caused anyone strain before in this series besides Tsukuyomi.

When he used it on Itachi, it obviously wasn't Tsukuyomi as he didn't feel any strain in his eye after using it like he did when he used it on Bee.

Not to mention the Databook says you need Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi for Susanoo.

He doesn't feel any sort of strain any more!! He has Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan!! Exactly, it wasn't Tsukuyomi, it was an MS amplified genjutsu! The same one he used to bind Bee and extract info from the Kumo guard, is the same one he used on Itachi!

 

[KidGamer65]

He doesn't feel any sort of strain any more!! He has Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan!! Exactly, it wasn't Tsukuyomi, it was an MS amplified genjutsu! The same one he used to bind Bee and extract info from the Kumo guard, is the same one he used on Itachi!

You claim the Genjutsu he used on Bee was the same as the one he used on the Kumo guard, yet one gave him strain on his right eye while the other one didn't. Its obvious they weren't the same Genjutsu otherwise he would have felt strain from both of them.

And again I ask, why would Sasuke's right eye jutsu be a jutsu that depends on the left eye to use? Without Amaterasu he can't use Kagutsuchi.

Why would Sasuke go from 3-Tomoe to MS just to use a Genjutsu when 3-Tomoe would have sufficed? To use Tsukuyomi.
Why would Kishimoto show Susanoo before showing both of Sasuke's MS powers? Kagutsuchi came after Sasuke used Susanoo and putting out the flames is not what Kagutsuchi does so it didn't appear until after Susanoo came out.

 

[The God of Wind]

You claim the Genjutsu he used on Bee was the same as the one he used on the Kumo guard, yet one gave him strain on his right eye while the other one didn't. Its obvious they weren't the same Genjutsu otherwise he would have felt strain from both of them.

And again I ask, why would Sasuke's right eye jutsu be a jutsu that depends on the left eye to use? Without Amaterasu he can't use Kagutsuchi.

Why would Sasuke go from 3-Tomoe to MS just to use a Genjutsu when 3-Tomoe would have sufficed? To use Tsukuyomi.
Why would Kishimoto show Susanoo before showing both of Sasuke's MS powers? Kagutsuchi came after Sasuke used Susanoo and putting out the flames is not what Kagutsuchi does so it didn't appear until after Susanoo came out.

Databook 3 - Kasegui no Jutsu:
Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique (魔幻・枷杭の術, Magen: Kasegui no Jutsu)
Genjutsu, Kekkei Genkai, No rank, Supplementary, Short range (0-5m)
Users: Uchiha Itachi, Uchiha Sasuke

A make-believe yoke piercing the limbs and body, completely snatching away one's freedom to move!! Once caught in the mind world created by the user, the victim will be tormented with the sensation of having wedges driven through their limbs, completely taking away their body's freedom. At the same time, the physical pain accompanying the illusion reveals the great use this technique has for primarily torture and such.

[picture of the Sharingan]
↑Performing handseals is unnecessary. All that is needed to use this technique is to have the enemy meet one's eyes!

[picture of Orochimaru being caught in this genjutsu]
↑In front of this technique, even Orochimaru is like a frog being glared at by a snake.

THAT^ is what was used on Bee.


AGAIN I SAY: EMS DOES NOT cause Sasuke any strain whatsoever!

 

[KidGamer65]

Databook 3 - Kasegui no Jutsu:
Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique (魔幻・枷杭の術, Magen: Kasegui no Jutsu)
Genjutsu, Kekkei Genkai, No rank, Supplementary, Short range (0-5m)
Users: Uchiha Itachi, Uchiha Sasuke

A make-believe yoke piercing the limbs and body, completely snatching away one's freedom to move!! Once caught in the mind world created by the user, the victim will be tormented with the sensation of having wedges driven through their limbs, completely taking away their body's freedom. At the same time, the physical pain accompanying the illusion reveals the great use this technique has for primarily torture and such.

[picture of the Sharingan]
↑Performing handseals is unnecessary. All that is needed to use this technique is to have the enemy meet one's eyes!

[picture of Orochimaru being caught in this genjutsu]
↑In front of this technique, even Orochimaru is like a frog being glared at by a snake.


AGAIN I SAY: EMS DOES NOT cause Sasuke any strain whatsoever!

I knew you were going to post this....

Sasuke did not use this against Bee.

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Both times it was used by Itachi and Sasuke it looked exactly the same. Why would it look different if Sasuke cast it again against Bee? That's right, it wouldn't look different. Not to mention this Genjutsu was cast using 3-Tomoe, so why would he go from 3-Tomoe to MS just to use a Genjutsu he could have cast with 3-Tomoe? And this jutsu caused neither Itachi nor Sasuke strain when they used it so why would it cause him strain this time around?

The Genjutsu used on Bee is completely different from this.

 

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Will wait it official

 

[The God of Wind]

I knew you were going to post this....

Sasuke did not use this against Bee.

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Both times it was used by Itachi and Sasuke it looked exactly the same. Why would it look different if Sasuke cast it again against Bee? That's right, it wouldn't look different. Not to mention this Genjutsu was cast using 3-Tomoe, so why would he go from 3-Tomoe to MS just to use a Genjutsu he could have cast with 3-Tomoe? And this jutsu caused neither Itachi nor Sasuke strain when they used it so why would it cause him strain this time around?

The Genjutsu used on Bee is completely different from this.

Because it is amplified by the Mangekyou Sharingan!! The jutsu he used on Shee was also a binding genjutsu amplified by the Mangekyou Sharingan. Did they look the same? NO! And yet they both caused him strain! Every MS jutsu causes him strain. EMS has cured that issue.

 

[KidGamer65]

Because it is amplified by the Mangekyou Sharingan!! The jutsu he used on Shee was also a binding genjutsu amplified by the Mangekyou Sharingan. Did they look the same? NO! And yet they both caused him strain! Every MS jutsu causes him strain. EMS has cured that issue.

This is you going on the assumption that all binding Genjutsu are the same and that it being amplified would even change its looks. Was the one he used on Shee the same as this one? No they weren't so why would they look the same? Where did you even get the idea that these were the same Genjutsu? Cause they obviously are not.

It being amplified doesn't mean that it would look different, it just means that its effects would be greater, that's just baseless assumption on your part.

 

[Varrah]

Presumably parallels.[

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This is but mere speculation of course, however I believe Masashi is showing us Sasuke's growth in occurrences to the pinnacle of Uchiha power—Madara Uchiha.

A vitiated thought, but perhaps he, the author, is trying to convey that Sasuke's Mangekyō Sharingan Genjutsu's are the equivalent or share elements of Tsukuyomi. ​

 

[The God of Wind]

This is you going on the assumption that all binding Genjutsu are the same and that it being amplified would even change its looks. Was the one he used on Shee the same as this one? No they weren't so why would they look the same? Where did you even get the idea that these were the same Genjutsu? Cause they obviously are not.

It being amplified doesn't mean that it would look different, it just means that its effects would be greater, that's just baseless assumption on your part.

Both Genjutsu are being cast through the Mangekyou Sharingan are they not? And both caused him strain did they not? And you claim one is Tsukuyomi while the other is some unknown Genjutsu?! Lol

It is bloody evident, that both Genjutsu are just Mangekyou amplified Sharingan Genjutsu

Every time Itachi has cast Tsukuyomi, his left eye has been shown as the medium for casting.

The "baselessly assumed" Tsukuyomi cast on Danzo, was cast with both his eyes. It was a MS genjutsu, the same one from the fight against Kabuto!

If Sasuke had Tsukuyomi Kishimoto would have made him say Tsukuyomi! Not "Genjutsu Sharingan"!

 

[The God of Wind]

Presumably parallels.[

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This is but mere speculation of course, however I believe Masashi is showing us Sasuke's growth in occurrences to the pinnacle of Uchiha power—Madara Uchiha.

A vitiated thought, but perhaps he, the author, is trying to convey that Sasuke's Mangekyō Sharingan Genjutsu's are the equivalent or share elements of Tsukuyomi. ​

Just like Itachi possesses a fraction of Kagutsuchi. His power to put out the flames.