Kage Level?

[LastGREATEST]

All Kages are nothing in comparison to Old Madara the Solo Emperor.

Ok...

 

[LoZelda101]

hebi sasuke and sage mode naruto is kage lvl deal with it :lol

 

[LastGREATEST]

Tsunade > Ay in strength. Ay > Tsunade in speed.

Hebi Sasuke rek'd Deidara. Gaara lost to Deidara because Gaara was protecting the village but Deidara also underestimated Gaara and didn't use all of his jutsu's.
Naruto beat PTS Kabuto because of plot because they wanted to show he mastered Rasengan.
Kakashi was said to rival Zabuza.....Do you know how long ago that was? :|

Aye is still > Tsunade
Sasuke did rek Deidara but there is no way he could have avoided that suicide tech
Kakashi with Sharingan kinda lost to Zabuza so him without the sharingan def loses

 

[LoZelda101]

Aye is still > Tsunade
Sasuke did rek Deidara but there is no way he could have avoided that suicide tech
Kakashi with Sharingan kinda lost to Zabuza so him without the sharingan def loses

So what, in order to be kage lvl he has to avoid the suicide bomb? Lol if anything, resorting to blowing yourself up to win only increases sasukes credibility.

 

[Sage Of 6Paths]

Thats kage title i mean what is kage level

I would say an s rank ninja that done the things I said earlier

 

[LastGREATEST]

So what, in order to be kage lvl he has to avoid the suicide bomb? Lol if anything, resorting to blowing yourself up to win only increases sasukes credibility.

I agreed with you Sasuke did defeat Deidara but the whole suicide think was out of place Suigetzu dod have to summon Manda to save sasuke

 

[WalksInShadows]

Only reason why Deidara even beat Gaara is because he was protecting the Village while fighting him.

Deidara won because he tricked Gaara into using the sand from his gourd to attack him. The only role that C3 had in the fight was to give Deidara a reason to be in range in order to detonate the bombs hidden in the sand. If Deidara used his C4 tech , Gaara would've been done anyway.

 

[LoZelda101]

I agreed with you Sasuke did defeat Deidara but the whole suicide think was out of place Suigetzu dod have to summon Manda to save sasuke

And? Naruto needed kurama and minato to get out of CT. but no one complains about that

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

Only reason why Deidara even beat Gaara is because he was protecting the Village while fighting him.

Nice excuse smh. Even if it wasn't in the village Gaara wouldn't have a counter for C3. His clay birds which are C2 were getting to Gaara pretty quickly, and those explosions distort Gaara's defense. It severely slows his guard. With C4 it is overkill for him. Gaara is no Hebi Sasuke to evade it with genjutsu. People need to stop overrating his ass.

 

[LastGREATEST]

And? Naruto needed kurama and minato to get out of CT. but no one complains about that

Ok that technique was SO6P level Naruto was a sage atm aswell so he was over everyone else in the leaf but Gai at the time anyway

 

[lndra]

Nice excuse smh. Even if it wasn't in the village Gaara wouldn't have a counter for C3. His clay birds which are C2 were getting to Gaara pretty quickly, and those explosions distort Gaara's defense. It severely slows his guard. With C4 it is overkill for him. Gaara is no Hebi Sasuke to evade it with genjutsu. People need to stop overrating his ass.

Deidara won because he tricked Gaara into using the sand from his gourd to attack him. The only role that C3 had in the fight was to give Deidara a reason to be in range in order to detonate the bombs hidden in the sand. If Deidara used his C4 tech , Gaara would've been done anyway.

Smh. This isn't a versus match-up. I'm talking about strictly in the Manga, Deidara would never use C4 in Sunagakure as it would kill everyone in sight including Gaara.

I said that the only reason that match-up failed in Gaara's favor is due to him protecting the Village. I wish people wouldn't take things out of context, but eh :lol

Anyway WA Gaara can probably win strictly VS discussion:

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[Tazzilla88]

Ok, so we are able to gauge kage level by taking all the kages we know of an their abilities
Then comparing them against the abilities of jonnin that we know of in the series. Take Asuma and Kurenai and Shizune and PTS Kabuto, Shikamaru, Neji, Chouza, Choji, Ino, etc.
We can then approximate the power difference that exists between the average kage and the average jonin. There are overlaps in the outliers. But the outliers only serve to provide an absolute bottom or top.

I strongly hold that Ay was the weakest of the generation of Kage that fought Madara whereas Oonoki was the strongest.
The third hokage was stated to be the strongest of his generation which included the Third Raikage.
We can look at Muu and the second mizukage and Tobirama for an idea of that generations strength.
Now we don't know the power levels of Hokage Naruto's peers but considering the manga states that Sasuke is the only shinobi to stand up to him its reasonable that he's the strongest of his generation and having seen Darui and the 6th Mizukage in action in the war we can reason some things from there but not all that much.
Hashirama was unilaterally considered the most powerful kage of 5 generations suggesting that his and Naruto's power are outliers.

 

[ToshiZO]

Only reason why Deidara even beat Gaara is because he was protecting the Village while fighting him.

What about Gaara having the location advantage? Sand all around him?

What about Deidara not bringing enough clay because he underestimated him? The fact that Deidara knew he was gonna be taking on the Kazekage but was cocky enough to come in unprepared says more than enough about him.

 

[lndra]

What about Gaara having the location advantage? Sand all around him?

What about Deidara not bringing enough clay because he underestimated him? The fact that Deidara knew he was gonna be taking on the Kazekage but was cocky enough to come in unprepared says more than enough about him.

It says that he was ready to fight Gaara using any means necessary. Hell I didn't even say Gaara would win without that fact, or vice versa.

But if Deidara attacked the Village and Gaara didn't have to worry about his people. It would have been a lot more entertaining, to say the least.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

Smh. This isn't a versus match-up. I'm talking about strictly in the Manga, Deidara would never use C4 in Sunagakure as it would kill everyone in sight including Gaara.

I said that the only reason that match-up failed in Gaara's favor is due to him protecting the Village. I wish people wouldn't take things out of context, but eh :lol

Anyway WA Gaara can probably win strictly VS discussion:

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1. First point that would be acceptable as well. Deidara would actually take the risk and use C4 because he would want Gaara dead. A rampant Shukaku would be easier to capture than a beast that is sealed inside of a Jinchuriki.

2. I agree with War Arc Gaara winning but not pre War arc Kazekage Gaara.

 

[ToshiZO]

It says that he was ready to fight Gaara using any means necessary. Hell I didn't even say Gaara would win without that fact, or vice versa.

But if Deidara attacked the Village and Gaara didn't have to worry about his people. It would have been a lot more entertaining, to say the least.

Before the fight Sasori asks him if one bag is enough.

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After the fight Sasori tells him to be prepared better next time.

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Deidara underestimated Gaara by not bringing enough clay.

Gaara's disadvantage was that he had to worry about his village, but at the same time the very fact that he was in the sand village is an advantage itself.

Also you said the "only reason Deidara won" implying that Deidara couldn't have won otherwise.

Tsunade > Ay in strength. Ay > Tsunade in speed.

Hebi Sasuke rek'd Deidara.

Hebi Sasuke rek'd Deidara? Pretty sure being on your knees and out of chakra does not count as wrecking.

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[lndra]

Before the fight Sasori asks him if one bag is enough.

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After the fight Sasori tells him to be prepared better next time.

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Deidara underestimated Gaara by not bringing enough clay.

Gaara's disadvantage was that he had to worry about his village, but at the same time the very fact that he was in the sand village is an advantage itself.

Also you said the "only reason Deidara won" implying that Deidara couldn't have won otherwise.

That's exactly the point - Whether advantage or disadvantage there was on both sides, Gaara had to focus on the safety of his Villagers rather than the safety of himself. There is no point on the other side, just a forefront. What's being implied is that the battle would of been a lot more interesting if Gaara only had to protect himself.

It's obvious that Deidara only won because Gaara was focused on his people, whether Deidara could of won that battle without that fact is purely up to debate. Like you said he was already as a disadvantage with not coming in with full supplies, still, he had a plan nevertheless that worked in his favor regardless.

1. First point that would be acceptable as well. Deidara would actually take the risk and use C4 because he would want Gaara dead. A rampant Shukaku would be easier to capture than a beast that is sealed inside of a Jinchuriki.

2. I agree with War Arc Gaara winning but not pre War arc Kazekage Gaara.

I. Do you think Deidara is capable of stopping a rampant Shukaku?

 

[ToshiZO]

That's exactly the point - Whether advantage or disadvantage there was on both sides, Gaara had to focus on the safety of his Villagers rather than the safety of himself. There is no point on the other side, just a forefront. What's being implied is that the battle would of been a lot more interesting if Gaara himself only had to protect himself.


I. Do you think Deidara is capable of stopping a rampant Shukaku?

That's not really the right words to use, if you meant that. By saying "Only reason Deidara even beat Gaara" implies exactly that.

It is implying that is the only way Deidara could have won, and its also pointless to bring up in this thread then if you think Deidara could have beaten Gaara without that circumstance. If you said "Only reason Deidara even beat Gaara that easily" then it would be a different case. I see no reason anyone would bring that up unless to discount Deidara being kage level, so its quite obvious why I would think what you implied is what you meant, but w/e.

 

[lndra]

That's not really the right words to use, if you meant that. By saying "Only reason Deidara even beat Gaara" implies exactly that.

It is implying that is the only way Deidara could have won, and its also pointless to bring up in this thread then if you think Deidara could have beaten Gaara without that circumstance. I see no reason anyone would bring that up unless to discount Deidara being kage level, so its quite obvious why I would think what you implied is what you meant, but w/e.

We both know that Deidara was obviously stronger, but that's not the point - Deidara came in with low supplies, and Gaara had the advantage due to being in Suna.

If Deidara had to fight him without the restriction of the Village, I don't think it would of played in his favor due to the low supplies and Gaara's advantage. Outside of those, I'm pretty sure he gets wrecked regardless. I was just making a point that's what was portrayed imo.

I don't think Gaara would of won anyway. But he obviously would not have been taken down so easily.

 

[ToshiZO]

We both know that Deidara was obviously stronger, but that's not the point - Deidara came in with low supplies, and Gaara had the advantage due to being in Suna.

If Deidara had to fight him without the restriction of the Village, I don't think it would of played in his favor due to the low supplies and Gaara's advantage. Outside of those, I'm pretty sure he gets wrecked regardless. I was just making a point that's what was portrayed imo.

bruh how fast do you reply? I swear to God I wasn't even done clicking post quick reply.

Anyhow I'm done arguing semantics.