Kage and Akatsuki ranking

[sharingansennin]

Isn't it obvious that tobirama > minato

Minato has the superior FTG and his Rasengan

 

[sharingansennin]

You can't judge the time of Minatos sage mode based on scans so no its not 5 seconds. And there is no way you can become a perfect sage and only use it for 5 seconds - that's grasping at straws. Naruto could do it at least for 5 minutes his first time, it is illogical to think Minato can't at least use it for 2. And explain how a sage art rasengan wont kill tobirama. I like how you assume minato (despite being faster) will never touch tobirama but Tobirama will touch Minato, now that's some serious wanking

Again you do not show me who Tobirama can summon, you say edo fodders but WHO? How do you know tobirama has made any preparations ie sacrifices to use the jutsu. He labelled it forbidden for a reason, did you consider that he may have stopped using it. If you can name me at least 1 fodder he can summon then I will say anything further on the matter but since I know you can't then pipe down.

What is this fire power? Water style jutsu? What else does he have, he has no edo tensei summoning feats. He can't use the jutsu on himself unless he is edo.

And you are so daft, if minato spreads 30 kunai's around Tobirama of course Minato will have the advantage. You say Tobirama counters with ftg, yet he's only shown to use 1 marked kunai in combat. How is 1 marked kunai going to help against dozens of Minatos?

Master kenjutsu user according to you right. Whether it's a blade or sword its all the same, Minato owns people with his kunai, doesn't mean he cant use a sword. I guess everyone who uses a sword in Naruto is a master at kenjutsu because by your logic you can just label anyone you like kenjutsu master. He uses his sword the same way he uses a kunai, just less reach, not saying he isn't good but you can't just give titles to anyone because you feel like it -_-.

Minato's sensing isn't different from Tobirama's, get your head out of his ass, you are clinging to false hopes. Even if Tobirama is slightly better in this department, the gap is marginal. Minato has done the same sesing feats Tobirama has., you are the one wanking.

And once again you make up your own facts. You can't gather senjutsu at all unless you have large chakra, Naruto is better because he's practiced it. Minato hardly used it, that's all.

You keep saying smarter yet you only consider Tobirama's feats this arc and not Minato's previous feats, please just stop.

At the end of the day, KCM nor SM is needed. Minato is too fast, FTG is too versatile, Summonings are overwhelming. Minato in base is more than enough.

Minato stated himself he was bad with Senjutsu

 

[Valhorus]

Minato stated himself he was bad with Senjutsu

It was Stated Jiraya cannot enter in SM by his own so :
When Jiraya cannot enter in SM Alone = He is Good
When Minato says he is not that good with SM = HE SUCKS
BRILLIAN LOGIC.
And That Attack Minato Made against Madara when Minato was in SM i dont see much shinobis to dodge it tbh.

 

[schmeckie]

I wouldn't put tobirama above Minato or nagato, he is probably closer to itachi
Hashirama
Minato/nagato
Tobirama/itachi
Hiruzen

 

[the last shinobi]

What do you think? I never include the past kages and akatsuki which we know nothing about, as well as taka and orochimaru.

Hashirama
Tobirama
Minato
Tobi
Nagato
Itachi
Kisame
Hiruzen
Spiral Zetsu
Muu/2nd Mizukage
3rd Raikage
Oonoki
Kakuzu
A
Sasori
Mei
Gaara
Konan
Deidara
Yagura
Tsunade
3rd Kazekage
4th Kazekage
Black Zetsu
Hidan
White Zetsu

i like this list

 

[the last shinobi]

Minato has the superior FTG and his Rasengan

this is the same guy that invented, edo tensi, ftg, shadow clones and has water style jutsu's he grew up in a war era...how does the incomplete rasengan compare?

 

[Valhorus]

this is the same guy that invented, edo tensi, ftg, shadow clones and has water style jutsu's he grew up in a war era...how does the incomplete rasengan compare?

And yet everyone surpassed him with his own inventions rofl Minato better FTG , Oro and Kabuto better Edo rofl. How long ppl will say he inventend that and that and was born during war era and etc etc .Minato soloed the 3rd warr . Water techs are no use against S/T barrier.Base Rasengan is strong enough dude.

 

[Gold Lightning]

And yet everyone surpassed him with his own inventions rofl Minato better FTG , Oro and Kabuto better Edo rofl.

And Naruto with better shadow clones

 

[TobiramaWaterStyle]

Yagura should be higher on that list.