Kabuto's place

[Lightbringer]

I meant after losing all of Orochimaru's power



I think you have the wrong idea about me hating on him ha, I just didn't want people to jump all over and say he was as strong as before.



As I was going through your panels I found that they made sense except the part where Kabuto had Oro's DNA when training under the snakes because from their he obtained DSM. Doesn't that mean he had to have Oro's DNA to get that far to obtain those abilities because of the elevated chakra boost? because I thought it was clear that Oro couldn't do it without the proper vessel and the vessel couldn't do it without his power?

No, all that Oro's chakra do is add to his pool and make his techniques slightly more powerful.

Sage mode requires any chakra, a body that is able to maintain the form, and natural energy which fuses together and enhances all the jutsu..

without Oro's chakra, all that's happening is Kabuto's jutsu is only a little less potent than with his chakra. That's not to say his techniques are going to be weak because he has a wide variety of chakra mixed in with his DNA, including Uzumaki chakra from karin.

 

[Draphsin]

No, all that Oro's chakra do is add to his pool and make his techniques slightly more powerful.

Sage mode requires any chakra, a body that is able to maintain the form, and natural energy which fuses together and enhances all the jutsu..

without Oro's chakra, all that's happening is Kabuto's jutsu is only a little less potent than with his chakra. That's not to say his techniques are going to be weak because he has a wide variety of chakra mixed in with his DNA, including Uzumaki chakra from karin.

Do you not remember the key to being able to master sage mode?

Its having

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, yes huge amounts of chakra. Kabuto in base logically does not possess the same chakra pool as jiraiya. So even if he could enter SM the power of the nature energy will simply overwhelm him. Just as it started to do with jiraiya.

If you think base kabuto has more chakra than jiraiya then you may have a case, but you need to prove it. Otherwise he cannot maintain SM because he lacks the chakra boost from oro.

 

[Lightbringer]

Do you not remember the key to being able to master sage mode?

Its having

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, yes huge amounts of chakra. Kabuto in base logically does not possess the same chakra pool as jiraiya. So even if he could enter SM the power of the nature energy will simply overwhelm him. Just as it started to do with jiraiya.

If you think base kabuto has more chakra than jiraiya then you may have a case, but you need to prove it. Otherwise he cannot maintain SM because he lacks the chakra boost from oro.

well he does have the combined chakra of Kimmimaro, sound four, and taka(with one of the members being an Uzumaki) he definitely has way more chakra than jiraiya

 

[Draphsin]

well he does have the combined chakra of Kimmimaro, sound four, and taka(with one of the members being an Uzumaki) he definitely has way more chakra than jiraiya

He has their dna, he cant use their jutsus because he doesnt have enough chakra in order to perform them.

come to think of it, karin may give him a slight boost, but not enough in order to maintain SM near a perfect level.

 

[Xāvî1]

Top 25 i will say that

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

I meant after losing all of Orochimaru's power

Yeah but...why? In his current state he's comatose. After losing Orochimaru's power surely he's just early shippuden Kabuto again. What a strange thread.

 

[Lightbringer]

He has their dna, he cant use their jutsus because he doesnt have enough chakra in order to perform them.

come to think of it, karin may give him a slight boost, but not enough in order to maintain SM near a perfect level.

wait what? He can use all of their jutsu, which he did.

and without Orochimaru's chakra he still has the combined chakra pool of 8 different people, he has more than enough.

He gained Orochimaru's chakra by inserting his DNA into himself in the first place.

 

[Dark Artist]

Kabuto without the sound 4 DNA and without Orochimaru Chakra is not that good

Don't mess with a Uchiha

 

[theacknowledgedone]

wait what? He can use all of their jutsu, which he did.

and without Orochimaru's chakra he still has the combined chakra pool of 8 different people, he has more than enough.

He gained Orochimaru's chakra by inserting his DNA into himself in the first place.

If he needs a total of 1 to achieve DSM him losing Orochimaru is 1 - .? < 1 therefore he can't. That's logically thinking about it.

 

[Lightbringer]

If he needs a total of 1 to achieve DSM him losing Orochimaru is 1 - .? < 1 therefore he can't. That's logically thinking about it.

that's not logical, that's just an assumption.

How do you know the amount of chakra he needs for DSM?

He has more chakra than jiraiya as it is....

You're just nitpicking at details to fit your scenario. The point is that Kabuto still has all of his abilities without Orochimaru's chakra regardless. Orochimaru's chakra isn't essential to Sage Mode.

and even if by chance that he needs more chakra in his pool to control Sage Mode, he could just insert more DNA from other subjects......like all the DNA he gathered for the edo tensei

 

[theacknowledgedone]

that's not logical, that's just an assumption.

How do you know the amount of chakra he needs for DSM?

He has more chakra than jiraiya as it is....

You're just nitpicking at details to fit your scenario. The point is that Kabuto still has all of his abilities without Orochimaru's chakra regardless. Orochimaru's chakra isn't essential to Sage Mode.

and even if by chance that he needs more chakra in his pool to control Sage Mode, he could just insert more DNA from other subjects......like all the DNA he gathered for the edo tensei

Lol I'm not nitpickin, it was clearly stated that Orochimaru lacked the vessel to obtain sage mode. He had the chakra for it but not the body at the time to hold it. Kabuto however had a strong enough vessel it being his own but lacked the chakra pool and that chakra was Orochimaru's which helped make that possible.

Think about it this way. Oro's chakra pool plus Kabuto = sage mode

Kurama's chakra pool plus Naruto = sage mode

When you take one of them away it only makes sense that its unattainable. Sound 4 + whatever other subjects he had is severely broken once his DNA was revoked from Kabuto thus making him weaker.

It would be an assumption to think that the other test subjects >/= to Oro's chakra which in all likely hood it isn't and more than likely it's because of his that Kabuto lost a large amount of chakra from his pool.

@bold speaking of assumptions lol you're pretty much hinting that he won't have enough chakra which is what I've been saying.

 

[Lightbringer]

Lol I'm not nitpickin, it was clearly stated that Orochimaru lacked the vessel to obtain sage mode. He had the chakra for it but not the body at the time to hold it. Kabuto however had a strong enough vessel it being his own but lacked the chakra pool and that chakra was Orochimaru's which helped make that possible.

Think about it this way. Oro's chakra pool plus Kabuto = sage mode

Kurama's chakra pool plus Naruto = sage mode

When you take one of them away it only makes sense that its unattainable. Sound 4 + whatever other subjects he had is severely broken once his DNA was revoked from Kabuto thus making him weaker.

It would be an assumption to think that the other test subjects >/= to Oro's chakra which in all likely hood it isn't and more than likely it's because of his that Kabuto lost a large amount of chakra from his pool.

@bold speaking of assumptions lol you're pretty much hinting that he won't have enough chakra which is what I've been saying.

Dude what? We don't know how much chakra Orochimaru has or base Kabuto has.....you can't make a comparison for that.

Also you're completely wrong about kurama, Naruto obtained Sage Mode with his own Uzumaki chakra because at the time Kurama hated Naruto and wouldn't share chakra.

 

[Draphsin]

wait what? He can use all of their jutsu, which he did.

He can only use them while in SM, which he does not possess the chakra for anymore.

and without Orochimaru's chakra he still has the combined chakra pool of 8 different people, he has more than enough.

No, those test subjects are nothing, they dont give kabuto extra chakra. Orochimaru is known for his massive amounts of chakra, obviously inserting his dna would give kabuto a chakra boost because that's what makes oro so strong.

He gained Orochimaru's chakra by inserting his DNA into himself in the first place.

Exactly, he gained oro's abilities which were huge amounts of chakra & the power to manipulate snakes. Kimimaro, & the s4 dont give him extra chakra because that's not what that dna does. Every piece of dna doesnt give you a chakra boost, its only if the dna contains that power.

Also look at this:

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Kabuto took orochimaru's snake tissue (a huge amount of it) & combined it with blood samples of the rest. Oro's DNA is the dominant trait in the dna so its even more logical to assume that he gains the most from him, however he lost that entire portion. This explains why kabuto looked like oro as well.

 

[Lightbringer]

He can only use them while in SM, which he does not possess the chakra for anymore.



No, those test subjects are nothing, they dont give kabuto extra chakra. Orochimaru is known for his massive amounts of chakra, obviously inserting his dna would give kabuto a chakra boost because that's what makes oro so strong.



Exactly, he gained oro's abilities which were huge amounts of chakra & the power to manipulate snakes. Kimimaro, & the s4 dont give him extra chakra because that's not what that dna does. Every piece of dna doesnt give you a chakra boost, its only if the dna contains that power.

Also look at this:

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Kabuto took orochimaru's snake tissue (a huge amount of it) & combined it with blood samples of the rest. Oro's DNA is the dominant trait in the dna so its even more logical to assume that he gains the most from him, however he lost that entire portion. This explains why kabuto looked like oro as well.

Even though that seems like a sound theory, it's honestly all just still mere speculation.

Where is the basis on who gets what chakra when absorbing DNA? You say that only DNA that contains power will give you chakra, and that out of all the people Kabuto mixed himself with, only Orochimaru contained that said "power".

It never hints at something like that. All we know is that Kabuto gained Orochimaru's chakra from simply inserting his DNA inside him which means that the same concept would apply to everyone else.





Here's more proof; Ao, when he analyzes Danzo with his Byakugan, see's the different chakra's in his arm, eyes, and right shoulder.

His arm had sharingans, his shoulder was Hashirama cells, and right eye was Shisui's eye. If inserting DNA into yourself didn't grant one chakra, then it wouldn't all have different color properties since everyone's chakra is unique to themselves.

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