Kabuto without Edo Tensei beats Edo Madara

[Draphsin]

Madara has nothing that can hurt Kabuto.

Perfect Susanoo - It goes through his sage enhanced hydrification. Susanoo can be controlled by Muki Tensei, considering that it's non living.​

Chakra = lifeforce, kabuto cant control it. 1 PS slash obliterates kabuto...

Meteor - The meteors can be controlled and redirected by Muki Tensei. Worst case scenario, it goes through his hydrification.

Not needed

Genjutsu - Obvious why it doesn't work.

Not needed

Katon - Madara's katon isn't enough to kill Kabuto. It might sting, but worst case scenario he will just use oral rebirth to restore him a new. Also, Kabuto has suiton.

lmfao, just check out madara's katon...

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Madara's katon >>>>> Kabuto's suiton, and if he gets hit with it then he's roasted

Jukai Koutan - This jutsu only creates normal wood, it doesn't do anything.

Kajukai Kourin - The pollen gets completely nullified. As seen

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, Kabuto has made a special drug that completely nullifies Hashirama's powers. All Kabuto has to do is inject his nostrils with this special drug and pollen will have no effect.

Unless kabuto can do this:

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then he cant stop madara's forest, which can easily bind him in an entanglement of branches

Kabuto has no time to pull out an antidote while getting fodderized by clones, theres nothing that he can do once flower tree world is up. Kabuto has no large scale jutsu to compete with madara's, leading to his defeat.

Mokuryuu - It goes through his sage enhanced hydrification. Manda or Manda 2 can probably fight against it.

Naruto & kurama had trouble against it. It will be more than enough to fight manda

Wood Clones - They all get taken out with Hakugeki, since clones die in 1 hit.

They're stronger than shadow clones, they dont disappear when hit:

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Izanami - Hakugeki. Kabuto just has to surround himself in light. Izanami cannot be cast on something Madara cannot see.

Hakugeki is only effective in a cave, otherwise theres nothing to reflect the light off of. the cave reflected back the sounds and blinding light, so on an open field he loses that advantage and its not as effective, if at all.

Keep in mind that all of these techniques can just be evaded by his 2 forms of Shunshin as seen

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Uhh... madara has his on form of Shunshin

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How to beat Madara

All he has to do is put an overwrite tag in Madara's head.

To do this, all he has to do is climb or just shunshin to the top of Susanoo and play a temporary sound genjutsu to immobilize him, then put an overwrite tag in his head. Leaving Madara defeated.​

Mokuton clones each with their own form of susanoo, 25 is enough to send kabuto packing.

All madara needs to do is wait for an opportunity to use his mokuton to bind him, then roast his ass with katon.

PS isnt even needed

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Chakra = lifeforce, kabuto cant control it. 1 PS slash obliterates kabuto...

Nope, it goes THROUGH Kabuto.

Not needed

Not needed because it goes through.

Not needed

Not needed because it goes through.

lmfao, just check out madara's katon...

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Madara's katon >>>>> Kabuto's suiton, and if he gets hit with it then he's roasted

And like I said, worst case scenario, Oral Rebirth restores him a new body.

Unless kabuto can do this:

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then he cant stop madara's forest, which can easily bind him in an entanglement of branches

it goes fricking through, so it can't tangle him at all.

Kabuto has no time to pull out an antidote while getting fodderized by clones, theres nothing that he can do once flower tree world is up. Kabuto has no large scale jutsu to compete with madara's, leading to his defeat.

Yeah because it takes way too long to pull out a needle and stab yourself. >.<

Large scale AoE's don't lead to victories. Naruto has more AoE than Madara, but he can't beat Madara can he?

Naruto & kurama had trouble against it. It will be more than enough to fight manda

The only reason they had trouble was because Mokuryuu suppresses his full powers. Take away that ability, Naruto fodderizes dragon. Since Manda 2 isn't a bijuu, it doesn't weaken him.

They're stronger than shadow clones, they dont disappear when hit:

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The clones only stayed throughout the kages battle was because they had a hard time getting through Susanoo. Hakugeki is sound and hits in all directions, sinks through Susanoo thus hitting madara's actual clones.

Hakugeki is only effective in a cave, otherwise theres nothing to reflect the light off of. the cave reflected back the sounds and blinding light, so on an open field he loses that advantage and its not as effective, if at all.

What's to stop Kabuto from using multiple Hakugekis? hmmmmm?

Uhh... madara has his on form of Shunshin

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That's not shunshin, that's his raw speed. Not that it matters.

Mokuton clones each with their own form of susanoo, 25 is enough to send kabuto packing.

All madara needs to do is wait for an opportunity to use his mokuton to bind him, then roast his ass with katon.

PS isnt even needed

Nothing hurts him man. Wood and PS goes through him and Katon gets regened.

 

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This alone will be key to effecting Madara, let alone sound genjutsu.

 

[Draphsin]

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This alone will be key to effecting Madara, let alone sound genjutsu.

funny how you completely miss the part where Itachi used his susanoo

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And since its more effective inside of a cave, PS can still be maintained

 

[Rainbow Dash]

funny how you completely miss the part where Itachi used his susanoo

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And since its more effective inside of a cave, PS can still be maintained

Itachi could only maintain because he was an edo and could not feel pain. I thought that was obvious.

Madara clones are a different story. They die in one hit regardless of feeling pain or not.

 

[Draphsin]

Nope, it goes THROUGH Kabuto.

PS is more than just a clean slash, it destroys things

Not needed because it goes through.





Not needed because it goes through.

:sy:
Why would you even respond to this.......

And like I said, worst case scenario, Oral Rebirth restores him a new body.

lol youre shrugging off the attack that would obliterate him. Why didnt kabuto just tank Itachi's katon then? If he;s engulfed in flames then theres no amount of shedding skin that can help him.

it goes fricking through, so it can't tangle him at all.

Mokuton still binds him, he'll be stuck inside of the forest trying to slide out, and in that time madara ca set the whole forest ablaze.

Yeah because it takes way too long to pull out a needle and stab yourself. >.<

Yes it does. Like i said, 25 mokuton clones constantly barraging him with susanoo can definitely keep him from stabbing himself.

Large scale AoE's don't lead to victories. Naruto has more AoE than Madara, but he can't beat Madara can he?

Lol, madara's AoE > Naruto's but even so, kabuto still has nothing that can harm madara. Even sound genjutsu is useless because he has multiple clones surrounding the battlefield

The only reason they had trouble was because Mokuryuu suppresses his full powers. Take away that ability, Naruto fodderizes dragon. Since Manda 2 isn't a bijuu, it doesn't weaken him.

Lol manda has little/no arms or legs, the dragon just needs to coil around manda and its over...

Picture isn't working.

The clones only stayed throughout the kages battle was because they had a hard time getting through Susanoo. Hakugeki is sound and hits in all directions, sinks through Susanoo thus hitting madara's actual clones.

No, the picture i showed you was madara's clone taking a hit from tsunade, and reacting as a normal edo would. He got hit and didnt disappear, proving that they are more resilient than shadow clones.

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What's to stop Kabuto from using multiple Hakugekis? hmmmmm?

The same thing thats stopping madara from using multiple perfect susanoos, or even better, an infinite amount of clones. If you wanna add multiple jutsus at once, then i can do the same for madara =D

That's not shunshin, that's his raw speed. Not that it matters.

Its still faster than kabuto's shunshin, which is the point.

Nothing hurts him man. Wood and PS goes through him and Katon gets regened.

PS is destructive, its not just a cut, PS can literally step on him too .

Wood slows him down, since he has no jutsu that can supress mokutons powers, therefore he will be stuck in an entanglement of trees.

If he's completely engulfed in flames then thats not possible, its already shown that it takes a handful of shinobi to even supress madara's katon with suiton. Kabuto would get turned to cinders...

Itachi could only maintain because he was an edo and could not feel pain. I thought that was obvious.

Madara clones are a different story. They die in one hit regardless of feeling pain or not.

No they dont. I just proved that they can tank a hit from tsunade without disappearing. Vibrations would have the same effect on the clones as the original, fact.

 

[Trollnojutsu]

OP is just a huge fanboy nothing you say will change his stance.

Abandon thread

 

[Rainbow Dash]

PS is more than just a clean slash, it destroys things

PS Slash cannot destroy on a molecular level. Duhhh

lol youre shrugging off the attack that would obliterate him. Why didnt kabuto just tank Itachi's katon then? If he;s engulfed in flames then theres no amount of shedding skin that can help him.

Lol Karin DNA = Instant regen.

Fire doesn't work on Kabuto, who also has sage enhanced endurance.

Mokuton still binds him, he'll be stuck inside of the forest trying to slide out, and in that time madara ca set the whole forest ablaze.

Ok man, your starting to not make any sense. How does wood bind someone who is intangible huh?

Yes it does. Like i said, 25 mokuton clones constantly barraging him with susanoo can definitely keep him from stabbing himself.

Physical attacks don't work on Kabuto. I don't get why you still deny that.

Lol, madara's AoE > Naruto's but even so, kabuto still has nothing that can harm madara. Even sound genjutsu is useless because he has multiple clones surrounding the battlefield

Again, they can't even hurt him. Kabuto can use Body Flame to teleport right next to Madara lol. At point blank range, there is no stopping sound genjutsu.

Lol manda has little/no arms or legs, the dragon just needs to coil around manda and its over...

And Manda can just coil around Dragon

No, the picture i showed you was madara's clone taking a hit from tsunade, and reacting as a normal edo would. He got hit and didnt disappear, proving that they are more resilient than shadow clones.

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Hmm didn't disappear huh? I wonder where his clone went. Maybe it disappeared? lol

The same thing thats stopping madara from using multiple perfect susanoos, or even better, an infinite amount of clones. If you wanna add multiple jutsus at once, then i can do the same for madara =D

Edo's can't knead more chakra then they could in real life. Which is why these Edo's never spam their jutsu.

Its still faster than kabuto's shunshin, which is the point.

Nope, shunshin = shunshin. Besides, Body Flame jutsu is instant.

PS is destructive, its not just a cut, PS can literally step on him too .

You still don't get that because he is water, he won't die nor get hurt

Wood slows him down, since he has no jutsu that can supress mokutons powers, therefore he will be stuck in an entanglement of trees.

He has the special drug he made. Remember?

If he's completely engulfed in flames then thats not possible, its already shown that it takes a handful of shinobi to even supress madara's katon with suiton. Kabuto would get turned to cinders...

I think you overrate katon lol.

All fire has the same rate of burning. Amaterasu took over 7 pages to start burning Nagato. Body Shedding takes less then 1 panel to do.

You also forget that Kabuto can just DODGE Katon.

 

[Draphsin]

PS Slash cannot destroy on a molecular level. Duhhh

PS foot to kabuto's face, then madara can scrape him off and burn him with katon

Lol Karin DNA = Instant regen.

Fire doesn't work on Kabuto, who also has sage enhanced endurance.

Stop failing, you look like an enormous fanboy. If he's engulfed in flames then he cant regen, because he's constantly getting burned. Madara's katon sh*ts on kabuto

Ok man, your starting to not make any sense. How does wood bind someone who is intangible huh?

Okay he's not f*cking obito, he still gets hit, then he liquefies.

He still has to slither his ass out of the forest, because he cant push the jutsu back with anything, he's just gonna have to tank it. And while he's slithering away, madara burns the forest.

Physical attacks don't work on Kabuto. I don't get why you still deny that.

They still hit him, and what about human path? It isnt physical but it deals with him quite easily

Again, they can't even hurt him. Kabuto can use Body Flame to teleport right next to Madara lol. At point blank range, there is no stopping sound genjutsu.

Lmfao, and how is he gonna even know which one is real and which one is a clone? :sy:

And Manda can just coil around Dragon

Madara has more mokuton, manda is 1 creature, Madara can expand the dragons size easily.

Hmm didn't disappear huh? I wonder where his clone went. Maybe it disappeared? lol

You must be a moron, they had to seal it

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Jesus christ, now get out of here before i prove you wrong even more.

Edo's can't knead more chakra then they could in real life. Which is why these Edo's never spam their jutsu.

@Bold: and where's your proof? Speculation buddy.

Nope, shunshin = shunshin. Besides, Body Flame jutsu is instant.

Regardless, where is kabuto going to teleoprt, to one of madara's clones? Lol

You still don't get that because he is water, he won't die nor get hurt

LMFAO, and what happens to water when it gets too hot? It evaporates. now unless kabuto's water mass is enough to completely douse madara's flame, then he will be reduced to vapor which is molecular destruction. Thats why he didnt tank any katon jutsus, because he cant.

He has the special drug he made. Remember?

The drug has to be inserted into the body, He cant insert it into the wood itself................Fail

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I think you overrate katon lol.

All fire has the same rate of burning. Amaterasu took over 7 pages to start burning Nagato. Body Shedding takes less then 1 panel to do.

Ama burns slow, fact. Dont even dare compare it to regular katon. And anyways, madara has unlimited chakra, he can constantly cast his fire until kabuto is no more. You think that he's gonna stop once he covers him in flames? Lol madara will surround him in a sea of fire from head to toe until he is ashed and vapor.

You highly underrate katon against kabuto, its literally his weakness so stop spraying your fanboyism all over it by taking that away from him.

You also forget that Kabuto can just DODGE Katon.

Not when he's trying to slither out of a mokuton forest, or when he's being barraged by susanoos, sure he can liquify through the hands if grabbed but that one grab is all it takes for human path (obito knows it, so madara knows it, he also taught obito rikudou's jutsu) or katon to finish the job.

Also this is kabuto without edo tensei, who said anything about kabuto starting the fight in SM? He needs a cave to hide his coward ass so he can gather chakra. Madara summons multiple clones and tracks the snakes via sharingan, then he uses katon to light them up like fireworks. If kabuto attempts to go into SM then that spells suicide for him =D

 

[GucciSinclair]

Kabuto has never done an oral rebirth, and never showed the ability to recover injuries through it.
Kabuto's hydrification has never been done at the same level of Suigetsu, he never showed his hydrification has the ability to neglect physical damage.
in fact Kabuto is pretty vulnerable to physical attacks, that's why he had to use the fact Itachi and Sasuke aren't allowed to kill him to his advantage, then dodge all the incoming attacks with sensing, on top of that, Kirin's healing ability to heal wounds.

 

[GucciSinclair]

Itachi could only maintain because he was an edo and could not feel pain. I thought that was obvious.

Madara clones are a different story. They die in one hit regardless of feeling pain or not.

clearly Itachi was feeling pain, he still maintained his Susanoo.

 

[Percy Jackson]

Madara's susano can be control by muki tensei? Meteor can be control by muki tensei? no!!.

Why don't kabuto control itachi's or sasuke's susano if he can?? cuz he "can't".. there must be a reason Y he can't take control of sasuke's and itachi's susano.. now we'r talking about PS.. and meteor


1)when kabuto's controlling the cave, he need to to "touch" the "cave" it self.. in other words he needs to touch "something" that he want to control. That's Y we don't see "any" hand seal. (This is the exact same reason Y kabuto don't control the amaterasu..)

2)Meteor is from the sky, in order to control meteor kabuto needs to touch the meteor it self, kabuto can't possibly fly..

3)PS Susanoo.. If controlling "basic stage of susano" is easy as you say, why don't kabuto control itachi's susano & sasuke's susano..?
Susano exist is because of the chakra, . Since itachi control of his "own" chakra and sasuke controling his "own" chakra, they can do what ever they "WANT" with there very own susano.. itachi and sasuke control over susano is > kabuto controlling over susano.

Madara can use pollen to put kabuto into deep slumber, then madara can use whatever move he wish.

Actually madara thought obito how to use 6 pth. tech & uchiha forbidden tech. that means izanagi can be use here.

 

[Uzumaki Tarein]

That looks goon on screen, but in practical... its a different story!!

 

[KidGamer65]

Madara has nothing that can hurt Kabuto.

Perfect Susanoo - It goes through his sage enhanced hydrification. Susanoo can be controlled by Muki Tensei, considering that it's non living.

Meteor - The meteors can be controlled and redirected by Muki Tensei. Worst case scenario, it goes through his hydrification.

Genjutsu - Obvious why it doesn't work.

Katon - Madara's katon isn't enough to kill Kabuto. It might sting, but worst case scenario he will just use oral rebirth to restore him a new. Also, Kabuto has suiton.

Jukai Koutan - This jutsu only creates normal wood, it doesn't do anything.

Kajukai Kourin - The pollen gets completely nullified. As seen

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, Kabuto has made a special drug that completely nullifies Hashirama's powers. All Kabuto has to do is inject his nostrils with this special drug and pollen will have no effect.

Mokuryuu - It goes through his sage enhanced hydrification. Manda or Manda 2 can probably fight against it.

Wood Clones - They all get taken out with Hakugeki, since clones die in 1 hit.

Izanami - Hakugeki. Kabuto just has to surround himself in light. Izanami cannot be cast on something Madara cannot see.

Keep in mind that all of these techniques can just be evaded by his 2 forms of Shunshin as seen

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How to beat Madara

All he has to do is put an overwrite tag in Madara's head.

To do this, all he has to do is climb or just shunshin to the top of Susanoo and play a temporary sound genjutsu to immobilize him, then put an overwrite tag in his head. Leaving Madara defeated.​

Too bad HiddenSound isn't here, or else the D would explode.

Muki Tensei can't control Susanoo. Its a chakra construct. It isn't living or nonliving, its just a chakra construct. Do we go around saying chakra is alive? Can chakra be controlled via Muki Tensei.

Hakugeki isn't going to work if Madara is in Perfect Susanoo due him towering far over the source of the light and vibrations. Edos cant even feel pain hence Itachi being able to move during Hakugeki and him being able to use Susanoo during Hakugeki.

Also Wood Clone durability=Madara's durability. Hakugeki isn't one shotting either them.

Summons get raped and Flower Tree World will put him to sleep.

You have the scan of the poison yet you don't even know how it works? The poison nullifies the user's mokuton by having a snake bite them. Kabuto doesnt have Mokuton so it will be rendered useless on him.

If Kabuto comes anywhere near him, this happens.

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Hydrafication Jutsu has already been shown to be countered by extremely powerful attacks like Bijuu Dama. Kabuto isn't surviving slashes of PS. Not to mention his isn't automatic like Suigetsu's is nor is it on the same level Suigetsu's is on so don't compare the two anyway.

Meteor can't be controlled and redirected via Muki Tensei. It isn't some controller that gives him unlimited control over all inorganic substances....Meteors rape Kabuto, Hydrafication or not.

Madara shits on him. This wank you give Kabuto is sickening.

 

[captainEO]

Lol, that is all.

Kabuto > Madara? Ahahahaha!!!

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[Prestonyoko]

Sage Art: Inorganic Reincarnation can't conrol jutsu or chakra, period. Otherwise he would of already defeated Itachi and Sasuke. Your overating the f#ck out of the technique

 

[Kriss123]

Madara has nothing that can hurt Kabuto.

Perfect Susanoo - It goes through his sage enhanced hydrification. Susanoo can be controlled by Muki Tensei, considering that it's non living.

Meteor - The meteors can be controlled and redirected by Muki Tensei. Worst case scenario, it goes through his hydrification.

Genjutsu - Obvious why it doesn't work.

Katon - Madara's katon isn't enough to kill Kabuto. It might sting, but worst case scenario he will just use oral rebirth to restore him a new. Also, Kabuto has suiton.

Jukai Koutan - This jutsu only creates normal wood, it doesn't do anything.

Kajukai Kourin - The pollen gets completely nullified. As seen

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, Kabuto has made a special drug that completely nullifies Hashirama's powers. All Kabuto has to do is inject his nostrils with this special drug and pollen will have no effect.

Mokuryuu - It goes through his sage enhanced hydrification. Manda or Manda 2 can probably fight against it.

Wood Clones - They all get taken out with Hakugeki, since clones die in 1 hit.

Izanami - Hakugeki. Kabuto just has to surround himself in light. Izanami cannot be cast on something Madara cannot see.

Keep in mind that all of these techniques can just be evaded by his 2 forms of Shunshin as seen

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How to beat Madara

All he has to do is put an overwrite tag in Madara's head.

To do this, all he has to do is climb or just shunshin to the top of Susanoo and play a temporary sound genjutsu to immobilize him, then put an overwrite tag in his head. Leaving Madara defeated.​

Too bad HiddenSound isn't here, or else the D would explode.

Madara >>>>> kabuto