Kabuto VS Orochimaru

[KidGamer65]

Their peak is Edo Tensei, and Edo Hokage>Edo Army.

 

[RedRobin]

Their peak is Edo Tensei, and Edo Hokage>Edo Army.

Orochimaru only has control of Hiruzen and Tobirama. He cant control Hashirama or Kurama in Minato so no BM.

Kabuto takes this.

 

[KidGamer65]

Orochimaru only has control of Hiruzen and Tobirama. He cant control Hashirama or Kurama in Minato so no BM.

Kabuto takes this.

Assuming they don't help him of their own free will, given who's on the other side. (Madara)

 

[RedRobin]

Assuming they don't help him of their own free will, given who's on the other side. (Madara)

Well that is if they are in character.

 

[Beans2]

Assuming they don't help him of their own free will, given who's on the other side. (Madara)

What if Kabuto doesn't summon Madara?

 

[blazekev90]

Well that is if they are in character.

Technically Hashiirama not assisting would be 'in character".

 

[Transcendence]

Orochimaru wins. Quality over Quantity (in the case of the Edo army's). Edo Hashirama beats Edo Madara and the only remotely threatening Edo after that is Edo Nagato. Edo Minato is firmly above him and with support with yet another FTG user who can use Bijuu sized abilities as an Edo (Tobirama's exploding tags technique to which I'm forgetting the Japanese name for) and further support from Hiruzen, I don't see how Kabuto wins. Once Edo Madara and Nagato go down, the rest of Kabuto's army pales in comparison. Hashirama and Minato can come in and clean up and Tobirama takes all the lesser Edo's out quite easily.

 

[KidGamer65]

What if Kabuto doesn't summon Madara?

Then I guess Oro is screwed, but for the sake of the match up, it's better to just assume each side has full control over their Edo Zombies, since I'm sure OP made this thread to have the Full Edo Army take on all 4 Hokage, not for people to argue whether or not Oro can control Hashirama and Minato.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Kabuto wins, the combos are endless with the quantity of Edo's+partial quality. I dont see SM Mokujin taking down PS, all it could do is parry its attacks, and eventually one has to go down.

Fodder Edo's can play as support via breaking FTG markings on the ground.

Muu can literally have Gengetsu's Clam light weight, so it will never be found or destroyed on the ground as it will fly around forming. Since the battlefield might end the Clam with sheer luck. Once wide field genjutsu is on, the opponents (not Kabuto's team since Genjutsu can be controlled) will cancel out a sensory.

So now you have undetected attacks coming to without any awareness.

Nukite takes out Tobirama or Hiruzen. Light weight Nukite gathers more speed for better penetration for BM Minato (if tails dont block), or will definitely crippled SM Mokujin mobility.

No one is tanking Jinton backstab.

No one is tanking Dan's ghost mode, so it one shots by back stabbing. And is untouchable, only barrier can counter.

Kinkaku/Gin touches the opponent with Rope clarity, eventually gets sealed.

Gold Dust heavy sand can slow down attacks and opponents movement, so it doesn't matter if they tank the attack.

Hanzo hides Ibuse underground and can release wide field poison screen which = KO.

Nagato is too versatile here, when his opponents are being handicap by wide-field genjutsus from Kabuto and Gengetsu


Then you have Manda 2, which would be too much of a trouble to deal with.

Then you have Kabuto (which ever Kages are taken down) who always carries kunai's to rewrite Edo's minds. So any of Orochimaru's Edo that are taken down, can be stolen and used against him.

Then you have DB officially stating that Kabuto's D'N'A, which able to freely use the abilities, talents, and kekkei genkai of the shinobi whose DNA he integrates within himself. Having activating Orochimaru to restrain an Edo he could restrain.

Too many reasons why Kabuto wins here.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

What do they have against Shinsuusenju and BM Minato's TBB barrage?

Notice you you dislike my post out of everyone else opinion Lol.

You have no evidence that Hashirama can use his full power as an Edo Tensei to begin with, so asking this question is meaningless.

In fact Hashirama has no counter to when PS wants to fly of of its grabbing range

 

[Demonic.]

Notice you you dislike my post out of everyone else opinion Lol.

You have no evidence that Hashirama can use his full power as an Edo Tensei to begin with, so asking this question is meaningless.

In fact Hashirama has no counter to when PS wants to fly of of its grabbing range

Is that you EJ Black? Lol. I don't see why Hashirama wouldn't be able to use it when Tobirama said, "we've been brought back at virtually full power". You're grasping at straws like always.

When you can show me a scan of Edo Madara's PS actually flying, then we can talk. I (and a bunch of others) don't give him such a feat. Same goes for Ems Sasuke as well.

 

[RedRobin]

It makes no sense to even give Orochimaru control over Hashirama and BM Minato. He has no control over them, they are not part of his overall power with ET.

 

[3rdSwordsmanOfTheMist]

After all those threads, i can conclude that Orochimaru wins with very hard diff.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Is that you EJ Black? Lol. I don't see why Hashirama wouldn't be able to use it when Tobirama said, "we've been brought back at virtually full power". You're grasping at straws like always.

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Madara statement, viz, in 661:

"Madara: It's your M.O. to strike an opponent just when he's convinced of victory. Making the brats work... you're still a delegator, eh Tobirama.

Tobirama: I could say the same to you.

Madara: Ho Ho... But I'm the one the heavens are smiling upon. Look at you, you used to boast the fastest speed of any shinobi.

- There's a reason why you two brothers can't regain your full power.

- Whether coincidence or inevitable, I've got the edge right now."

I got two proper translated statements that says otherwise. So no unless you have evidence that Hashirama doesn't need to be a FULL power to use SS, then we can talk.

When you can show me a scan of Edo Madara's PS actually flying, then we can talk. I (and a bunch of others) don't give him such a feat. Same goes for Ems Sasuke as well.

They're 0 scans of Edo Madara being able to fly with PS nor so "feats". What I do have, which KG send me, are translations of DB descriptions of PS, which stated can make wings/fly.

Complete( literally full body)Susano'o

Ninjutsu,all ranges,kekke-genkai,offensive,defensive.
Users: Uchiha Madara
Eternity reigns within these pupils,allowing to shape the bravery into clad blue!


The power of the "Mangekyo Sharingan" is able to activate incredible ninjutsu.Enormous chakra clad jutsu materialize, towering over the mountains( exceeding the height of the mountains), taking authority over battlefield to its hands(changing the flow of battle).Appearance of the complete jutsu differs in accordance to the user.Moreover for users that are good at ninjutsu "Susano'o"themselves,becomes possible to enter/trigger the invocation of the complete body(kanseitai).Furthermore Susano'o in next form can wear special armor which can shape/turn on wings that allow it to fly.
Picture: the great complete Susano'o cutting strength that can cut-off mountain peaks,is easily enough to shut down even iron hard resistance (or is enough to make even iron-hard enemies to forfeit the battle).

And base on my premise flying isn't even necessary. If Madara wants to "tie" by staying on ground he surely could. Not gonna change the result of the outcome

 

[Demonic.]

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I got two proper translated statements that says otherwise. So no unless you have evidence that Hashirama doesn't need to be a FULL power to use SS, then we can talk.

You still don't have any evidence that he cannot use SS, you're assuming that he cannot due to the fact that his Edo Tensei form was slightly weaker than the original.

Your assumption is not evidence.

They're 0 scans of Edo Madara being able to fly with PS nor so "feats". What I do have, which KG send me, are translations of DB descriptions of PS, which stated can make wings/fly.



And base on my premise flying isn't even necessary. If Madara wants to "tie" by staying on ground he surely could. Not gonna change the result of the outcome

Can make wings. Keyword - can.

Every time a winged PS was used it was with Rikudou chakra. I have no idea why you give Madara and EMS Sasuke a winged PS just because the databook states all PS are capable of flight.

I like how you ask me for proof Hashirama can do something he was never stated he couldn't do and use "edo Tensei form was not at full power" as evidence yet you claim Madara and Sasuke can replicate their winged PS without the drastic power up they showcased a winged PS with.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You still don't have any evidence that he cannot use SS, you're assuming that he cannot due to the fact that his Edo Tensei form was slightly weaker than the original.

Your assumption is not evidence.

Lol thats not how it works Demonic. I propose to you a "negetive". The one holding a "negative" claim doesn't bring forth evidence to make the claim right. It is your position to bring "positive" claim as to why yours is supported.

Can make wings. Keyword - can.

Every time a winged PS was used it was with Rikudou chakra. I have no idea why you give Madara and EMS Sasuke a winged PS just because the databook states all PS are capable of flight.

DB stating it "can" doesn't change the fact that it "can" (this is why you call strawhat btw Lol). DB stated Madara being the wielder of this jutsu despite having no feats that he can, Rikudou or not.

I like how you ask me for proof Hashirama can do something he was never stated he couldn't do and use "edo Tensei form was not at full power" as evidence yet you claim Madara and Sasuke can replicate their winged PS without the drastic power up they showcased a winged PS with.

I actually have evidence, DB, yet alone that claim I made was a "positive" claim I made. Therefore I had to back it up.

You made the "positive" claim that Edo Hashirama can use SS, therefore you have to do the same

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

DSM Kabuto takes a dump on Zetsu Orochimaru.

However, if Edo Tensei is allowed I believe Orochimaru's 4 edos would beat Kabuto's entire edo army.

@bold Orochimaru can't control Hashirama and Kabuto can't control Madara....

OT: DSM Kabuto is stronger than Orochimaru(ET restricted)

 

[RedRobin]

@bold Orochimaru can't control Hashirama and Kabuto can't control Madara....

OT: DSM Kabuto is stronger than Orochimaru(ET restricted)

He cant control BM Minato either.

 

[Nattana]

He cant control BM Minato either.

Proof or bye.

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

Proof or bye.

Im going with this