Kabuto (Part 1) vs. Zabuza

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Restrictions: None (Military Pill allowed)
Intel: None
Distance: 25 m
Intent: Kill
Location: Team 7 Escort vs. Zabuza (Forest)

Notes: Part 1 Kabuto has vs. Tsunade/Naruto feats.
 
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I don't know about "obviously"...
Yeah and jiraya is stronger than the whole uchiha and 7 sword men and can kill itachi and kisame together ,kabuto faced kakashi twice and he ran away in both ,and considering Data book speed and taijutsu states ,zabuza clowns him without even setting up the mist let alone with the mist and silent killing which kabuto has no answer for .
 

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Yeah and jiraya is stronger than the whole uchiha and 7 sword men and can kill itachi and kisame together ,kabuto faced kakashi twice and he ran away in both ,and considering Data book speed and taijutsu states ,zabuza clowns him without even setting up the mist let alone with the mist and silent killing which kabuto has no answer for .
The scan I put up shows Kabuto's ability to detect:

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And with Military Pill he's got excellent reflexes, if Kakashi can avoid taking a fatal hit, Kabuto probably can:

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Plus, Kabuto's resilience is excellent, he can tank a Rasengan (although it did internal damage to him from the shock):

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Zabuza has to score a completely fatal hit somewhere where Kabuto isn't expecting it on the first try, otherwise Kabuto can counter. And Kabuto's counters are fully capable of incapacitating Zabuza, as he did to Tsunade before she recovered (Kabuto assumes she managed to continue moving because of her...cleavage...insulating her from the attack).

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I'm just saying it's not a stomp. People always discount Kabuto or forget how good he was. :(
 

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Kabuto definitely has his chances.

Assuming Zabuza uses hidden mist right off the bat, Kabuto can temporarily counter it via . Remerging in a similar manner to Kakashi's dogs, the only thing Kabuto needs to do is sever the tendons in his ankles with chakra scalpels and the fight is over .
 
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Kabuto definitely has his chances.

Assuming Zabuza uses hidden mist right off the bat, Kabuto can temporarily counter it via . Remerging in a simlar manner to Kakashi's dogs, the only thing Kabuto needs to do is sever the tendons in his ankles with chakra scalpels and the fight is over .
I've used this argument before too, but with this it's a battle of attrition. Can zabuza keep the mist up longer than Kabuto can scurry underground?
 

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I've used this argument before too, but with this it's a battle of attrition. Can zabuza keep the mist up longer than Kabuto can scurry underground?
I'd say if Kabuto uses that technique, it gives Zabuza the opportunity to get up to some Suiton shenanigans (clones, waterfalls to control where Kabuto can attack him from). It's a good move for a dodge, but he doesn't necessarily come out with an advantage.
 

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I don't know about "obviously"...
Some things from part 1 shouldn't be taken so seriously.

It was said that if Itachi and Kisame both fought Jiraya they would die.
Looking at their techniques in part 2 show that Jiraya would get negged 2v1.
 

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The scan I put up shows Kabuto's ability to detect:

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And with Military Pill he's got excellent reflexes, if Kakashi can avoid taking a fatal hit, Kabuto probably can:

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Plus, Kabuto's resilience is excellent, he can tank a Rasengan (although it did internal damage to him from the shock):

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Zabuza has to score a completely fatal hit somewhere where Kabuto isn't expecting it on the first try, otherwise Kabuto can counter. And Kabuto's counters are fully capable of incapacitating Zabuza, as he did to Tsunade before she recovered (Kabuto assumes she managed to continue moving because of her...cleavage...insulating her from the attack).

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I'm just saying it's not a stomp. People always discount Kabuto or forget how good he was. :(
you can't be sure that kakashi was moving completely silient ,he thought he was just an ordinary genin .Tusnade was completely out of shape in part 1 .even if we consider the pills and restrict the mist ,kabuto isn't keeping up with Zabuza ,noway kabuto with 3.5 in speed ,2.5/3.5 in taijutsu and 3 in strength would keep up with zabuza who has 4.5 in taijutsu boosted with his kenjutsu proficiency , 4 in speed and 4 in strength .And plz don't tell me physical and speed stats isn't the only factor when kabuto's whole displayed arsenal is for cqc where he is completely outclassed here let alone the mist and other suiton techniques .kakashi needed sharingan and 4 in speed in order to barely evade zabuza in the mist so .......
 

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Kabuto definitely has his chances.

Assuming Zabuza uses hidden mist right off the bat, Kabuto can temporarily counter it via . Remerging in a similar manner to Kakashi's dogs, the only thing Kabuto needs to do is sever the tendons in his ankles with chakra scalpels and the fight is over .
Good one .
 

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Some things from part 1 shouldn't be taken so seriously.

It was said that if Itachi and Kisame both fought Jiraya they would die.
Looking at their techniques in part 2 show that Jiraya would get negged 2v1.
itach said that and it was revealed later on the only purpose of itachi's visit to konaha was [ ][ ]

don't see why oro will lie
 

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And there was no reason for itachi and kisame to lie to each other .
Actually, Itachi had all the reason not to want the Nine-Tails' strongest protector dead. All of Jiraiya's baseless hype came from Itachi's statements, which were obviously lies. Kisame only guessed at Jiraiya's powers. Further reaffirming this is Kisame's question after the encounter: "Why is retreat necessary... for you?". Although I have no idea how Kisame didn't find it fishy that Itachi thought Jiraiya could take on all of the Akatsuki.

OT: Zabuza probably wins, tbh. The only time he started with Hidden Mist was when he knew about Kakashi's Sharingan and was openly trying to counter it. There's no reason for him to do that against an unknown opponent. In CQC Kabuto gets slaughtered, don't even bring up the scans of him touching Tsunade at her worst, not that she was ever the best at close range anyway. Though if he takes that pill enhancing his strength and speed I'm not so sure. It depends on whether Zabuza can cut him before that, since Tsunade did say Kabuto with the pill "exceeds her in her prime", though to be honest that's bullshit as well, unless you believe Part 1 Kabuto with a pill > Prime Tsunade in strength.

Zabuza takes it, high difficulty.
 
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Actually, Itachi had all the reason not to want the Nine-Tails' strongest protector dead. All of Jiraiya's baseless hype came from Itachi's statements, which were obviously lies. Kisame only guessed at Jiraiya's powers. Further reaffirming this is Kisame's question after the encounter: "Why is retreat necessary... for you?". Although I have no idea how Kisame didn't find it fishy that Itachi thought Jiraiya could take on all of the Akatsuki.

OT: Zabuza probably wins, tbh. The only time he started with Hidden Mist was when he knew about Kakashi's Sharingan and was openly trying to counter it. There's no reason for him to do that against an unknown opponent. In CQC Kabuto gets slaughtered, don't even bring up the scans of him touching Tsunade at her worst, not that she was ever the best at close range anyway. Though if he takes that pill enhancing his strength and speed I'm not so sure. It depends on whether Zabuza can cut him before that, since Tsunade did say Kabuto with the pill "exceeds her in her prime", though to be honest that's bullshit as well, unless you believe Part 1 Kabuto with a pill > Prime Tsunade in strength.

Zabuza takes it, high difficulty.
Actually most of the hype came from Kisame'ss part not Itachi's ,Kisame is the one who stated Jiraya was in a different league from him (which is obviously not true ) ,Kisame is the one who stated that Uchiha clan and the 7 swordmen pale in comparison with Jiraya .

Even You called Tusnade hype for Kabuto BS because it is illogical .that is my point,part 1 hype Statements are incorrect most of times .
 
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Actually most of the hype came from Kisame'ss part not Itachi's ,Kisame is the one who stated Jiraya was in a different league from him (which is obviously not true ) ,Kisame is the one who stated that Uchiha clan and the 7 swordmen pale in comparison with Jiraya .
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The two major BS claims - 1. That Itachi would at best tie with Jiraiya // 2. That bringing other Akatsuki into it wouldn't change anything - were said by Itachi. And while Kisame isn't a tier below him, that's nowhere near as untrue as Itachi's statements, especially the second one.

Though I fully agree on Part 1 statements having to be taken with a grain of salt, of course.
 
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