[Discussion] Kabuto not giving Orochimaru his due

[teutonicknite]

Kabuto keeps pulling rabbits out of his hat and time and again proves to be a villain not to be taken lightly! That said, Kabuto has finally shown his conceitedness at the amount of work that he himself has put into the current power that he has amassed.
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Initially when he absorbed his masters DNA, as he told Naruto, his aim was to "surpass" and "struggle" with fate. The current Kabuto however seems to have forgotten that he is not great despite his master Orochimaru but that he owes all to Orochimaru's guidance.
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All the research had been done its just putting the puzzle into place that was left. Assembling a lego game makes you a player designing it makes you a genius. Despite my appreciation of the greatness that Kabuto has obtained for himself, I think he should recognize that it was not done despite his master but rather due to him!!!

Your views...

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[OWanime]

exactly kabuto was probably secretly against oro so he doesn't want to identify with the snake anymore xd

 

[|KirA|]

He is pretty much an anti-Naruto.
Thats why i consider it possible that Kabuto will play a bigger role.

 

[Gatsuuga]

Without Kabuto's medical skills Oro's host bodies would have rejected him much sooner. They both needed each other. Both had a different set of skills. So I have to say I disagree, kabuto's rise to greatness hasn't been as a result of Oro. Oro didn't plan a cookie cutter guide for kabuto. It was Kabuto's skills in spying that allowed him to get all the Edo tensei DNA. It was Kabuto's medical skills that allowed him to absorb and harness Orochimaru's cells. It was Kabuto's own skills (since he said that Oro couldn't do it) that allowed him to perfect Dragon Sage Mode. So basically it was due to kabuto's own abilities that he has got this good.

 

[teutonicknite]

Without Kabuto's medical skills Oro's host bodies would have rejected him much sooner. They both needed each other. Both had a different set of skills. So I have to say I disagree, kabuto's rise to greatness hasn't been as a result of Oro. Oro didn't plan a cookie cutter guide for kabuto. It was Kabuto's skills in spying that allowed him to get all the Edo tensei DNA. It was Kabuto's medical skills that allowed him to absorb and harness Orochimaru's cells. It was Kabuto's own skills (since he said that Oro couldn't do it) that allowed him to perfect Dragon Sage Mode. So basically it was due to kabuto's own abilities that he has got this good.

Kabuto without Orochimaru is like Naruto without Jiraiya... Potentially great but doomed to fail!

 

[UnrealSoul]

Without Kabuto's medical skills Oro's host bodies would have rejected him much sooner. They both needed each other. Both had a different set of skills. So I have to say I disagree, kabuto's rise to greatness hasn't been as a result of Oro. Oro didn't plan a cookie cutter guide for kabuto. It was Kabuto's skills in spying that allowed him to get all the Edo tensei DNA. It was Kabuto's medical skills that allowed him to absorb and harness Orochimaru's cells. It was Kabuto's own skills (since he said that Oro couldn't do it) that allowed him to perfect Dragon Sage Mode. So basically it was due to kabuto's own abilities that he has got this good.

Actually I wouldn't call it skills if you had to implant someones DNA inside you for your body to be able to withstand nature chakra.That DNA was uzumaki DNA to clarify.Other than that I agree with you on his skills,But his combat talent is a zero.Sense he admitted he can't fight lol.

 

[DevonV]

Actually I wouldn't call it skills if you had to implant someones DNA inside you for your body to be able to withstand nature chakra.That DNA was uzumaki DNA to clarify.Other than that I agree with you on his skills,But his combat talent is a zero.Sense he admitted he can't fight lol.

I don't recall Kabuto ever using Uzumaki DNA he just simply studied them. the only DNA he possess is Orochimaru's. So technically Kabuto is just Orochimaru with a good body and a different mind set.
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[soulless uchiha]

kabuto is nothing without orochimaru

 

[Pin]

exactly, i agree with you! but then again, naruto would be nothing without jiraiya, sakura would be worse than nothing without tsunade, kakashi would be nothing without minato and obito's sharingan.. so on so forth. it can be argued both ways i guess.

 

[HNIC]

Kabuto owes Orochimaru, but i think he realized that and he shows respect to his former master

 

[Escorpiius]

Okay, here's my opinion!

Kabuto owes nothing to Orochimaru.

Clear enough? I'll still prove my reasoning.

There are different batches of people in the Naruto world:

Gifted ones through legacies - Senjus, Uchihas and Hyuugas fit here. There are some who owes most of their skills to an amalgamation of training and genius talents - Naruto, Nagato, Jiraiya, Minato, Kakashi ect... all fit here! There are some who owes everything to training - Lee, Yahiko, Sakura fit here. And there are many whom we care less since Kishi don't develop them enough.

Now, where does Kabuto fits in? In none!

Orochimaru never trained him and passed to him knowledge that he deserves. Kabuto devotedly served Orochimaru but he never received his due. Sasuke and Anko received Oro's training but not Kabuto. Unlike Naruto, Minato, Nagato, Konan and Yahiko who received tutelage from Jiraiya, Kabuto never received any training from Orochimaru. He remained a spy, med-nin and henchman to Orochimaru; which makes Kabuto nearer to being Orochimaru's slave rather than student.

Seriously, in what world do you see a slave should give its master its due? Kabuto was treated like a prick despite his loyalty; so why should he be grateful to Orochimaru? Let's face it - Kabuto considered Orochimaru as his master but Orochimaru never considered him as his student. Being a villain and after the ignorance of Oro towards him, he shouldn't really give credentials to Orochimaru.

It was Kabuto's decision to absorb the cells. His courage to support and help Orochimaru all this time. His plan to follow Orochimaru for his own's good. His will to control the power of Orochimaru's cells. His intelligence to gain and enhance all previous Orochimaru's powers. His blackmail skills towards Tobi to make him a force to reckon for. His viciousness to use all previous Orochimaru's works and adapt it to his own plan. His strive to become one of the strongest despite lack of training.

Kabuto still shows respect to Orochimaru and that's already more than deserved. He shouldn't bow down and scream that he's nothing without Orochimaru which is nonsense.​

 

[leafeater]

@teutonicknite Perhaps you'd like Kabuto to say something like Newton said of Descartes (predominantly), "If I have seen further than others, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."

Peace

He is pretty much an anti-Naruto.
Thats why i consider it possible that Kabuto will play a bigger role.

He's more anti-Sasuke. Sasuke has had the genetics from being a true heir to the Sharingan and Uchiha clan from birth. Naruto has some genetics from birth by being half-Uzumaki and half-Namikaze (if anything turns out to come from the latter, which is looking more and more doubtful as people reveal their secrets and flashbacks), and Naruto has Kurama, which was sealed in him at birth.

Yes, Sasuke trained hard for certain things such as when he was learning the fireball jutsu and he kept pressing despite having burns on his face and being exhausted. Naruto, his training has been ridiculous for his power ups and jutsu usually until recently, but they were set into motion by hard training in part and otherwise by plot.

Further, Kabuto had to train and didn't have the genetics from birth like Sasuke; rather, he's been using his skills in genetic manipulation to give himself the genetics (Juugo's, Karin's, Suigetsu's, Orochimaru's,...) that he didn't have from birth to possess them as an adult, which makes him more of a polar opposite of Sasuke than Naruto. That's just my opinion anyway. Neji before the time-skip was the anti-Naruto in appearance.

Peace

 

[teutonicknite]

Yes, Sasuke trained hard for certain things such as when he was learning the fireball jutsu and he kept pressing despite having burns on his face and being exhausted. Naruto, his training has been ridiculous for his power ups and jutsu usually until recently, but they were set into motion by hard training in part and otherwise by plot.

I think we all miss the hard training before power ups unlike the Sasuke way where I saw it, now I can do it theme!!!

Like the first time to see the effects of frog Kumute :scorps:

 

[BloodSeekerZ]

What is Kabuto's true intentions?
That is the question.

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

kabuto is nothing without orochimaru

I completely agree with this post, ever now he is using Orochimaru's chakra that was left in Anko's curse seal, to make himself stronger

 

[teutonicknite]

Uchihajin.... Your sig freaks me out! WTH