Finally someone else finds him interesting also! I mean he was the adopted son of a konoha medic and then he randomly left with orochimaru and we don't know why, he said felt bad for sasuke because he caught orochimarus attention, and he has made excuses to help konoha shinobi before, it just seems strange.
Finally someone else finds him interesting also! I mean he was the adopted son of a konoha medic and then he randomly left with orochimaru and we don't know why, he said felt bad for sasuke because he caught orochimarus attention, and he has made excuses to help konoha shinobi before, it just seems strange.
I get the sense that you like Kabuto? Then this may be rough, but I promise to try to be as easy as I can. My apologies though in advance. :shrug:
Jiraiya is not strong because all he does is use summon techniques for everything, even sage mode is maintained by ma and pa, which are summons.
Orochimaru was weak because like Jiraiya, he relied on summon variations mostly in battle, it is not his power.
Tayuya was weak and the onloy reason she beat shikamaru was because she summoned thos Doki's and had them fight for her until temari came.
And Naruto is weak because he has shadow clones fight for him throughout the series until he figures out a way to win.
Hiruzen is weak because most of his battle strength (raw power) comes from enma, like how enma pushed the kyubi back a bit.
The animal path is weak because all he does is spam summons and have them fight for him, that's the only reason he was beating Jiraiya around Ame.
Kidomaru was weak, all he did was spam spider summons on neji to overwhelm him.
You see where this is going?
Edo Tensei is a summoning technique variation, like Kabuto said when he was explaining the jutsu to Tobi, if he is weak for using that jutsu, then Jiraiya, Orochimaru, Animal path, and all those guys mentioned are weak for using the summoning technique and its variation as their main offensive ability.
This is a specious argument, and we can begin simply by asking where the summoner is during the fight. Everyone you listed has been directly facing their opponent except Kabuto, aside from the one fight he failed his objective to capture the jinchuuriki and settled for Yamato. This is totally different, with Kabuto safe and sound in a cave while Jiraiya etc. are exposed to attacks on the battle field where as if Kabuto's summons go down who cares he's safe. Further you said it yourself, Impure World Ressurection (IWR) is a variant of the summoning technique, it is not a summoning technique per se which you are directly comparing its usage to in other ninjas thus you have a fallacy in your argument already. For this and many other reasons, this argument is specious (i.e. flawed). Simply think about it, and I'm certain you'll begin to realize more without me elucidating further and detailing others, albeit you may not want to.
Kabuto is a genious dawg, he was hailed pre shippudden as a jonin shinobi of the same level by Orochimaru and even Jiraiya acknowledged that fact and he pawned Tsunade in mere seconds even while he was holding back and trying his best not to kill her so that they can kidnap her and force her to heal Oro, while she on the other hand was blood lusted. The only time tsunade got even a hit on him was when he let his guard down and started laughing, not knowing that her big breast had saved her (literally) from being incapacitated. And even then, if he had been going for the kill like she was, she would be dead.
First, Jiraiya said four eyes (i.e. Kabuto) was probably on the same level as Kakashi to Naruto when Naruto wanted to fight him, not Orochimaru. I presume that that was a typo.
Next, Tsunade and Kabuto were actually having a pretty good go at it and both were impressed (Impressing Tsunade is pretty good, especially at his young age). Tsunade was about to hit him with a killer blow though, and he pulled out a little punk move by stabbing his hand to bleed in order to freeze her because of her paralyzing fear of blood following the deaths of her younger brother Owaki, a genin, (whose corpse was a bloody mess) and her lover Dan, whom she couldn't save.
This was the only time Kabuto kicked her ass, and it had nothing, I repeat nothing, to do with his fighting ability. She was in shock, and sat there taking a beating putting up no defense whatsoever until Naruto intervened, and then it was until he successfully intervened with his first Rasengan. That whole time Kabuto was acting like a complete sadist, where do you get that he was trying to hold back? He wasn't ever going for the kill, he was just having fun beating the crap out of her. Anyone can beat up a defenseless person, what a big achievement! :izuna: It's like you're reading another manga, lol.
Tsunade also admited that Kabuto's regeneration technique was superior to even hers and tried to replicate it to heal Lee.
I remember saying something regarding his technique, but I don't know that she called it superior to her technique; so show me the manga please and all of it. I believe she actually figured it out and used it if I recall to increase Lee's odds of success above 50%. I believe all she wanted was to better understand Kabuto's technique (as I stated above I believe she did) so that she could apply it healing Lee (as I stated above I believe she did), not that it was superior to her technique, which is especially hard to fathom considering hers is a Kinjutsu and requires releasing the chakra seal on her forehead; thus, it ought to have a greater lasting power than Kabuto's.
Kabuto is not the same type of medical ninja as Tsunade, and he doesn't focus on healing as she does; thus, it ought not be overtly surprising that she is superior in this facet when compared. He excels in other areas, especially due to his "experiments," which have clearly paid off in the post-time-skip era.
Further, her technique when combined with her summons, Katsuyu was used to heal all of Konoha during Nagato's invasion, something on an entirely separate level than Kabuto's. While this may be considered a limit of their respective summons, summons tend match their masters, just look at how Sasuke moved from snakes to hawks (of course I doubt the snakes would come calling to a summons after he got Manda blown up by Deidara so he kind of had to move on, lol xd).
As well, her recent use of that Hidden Cloud space-time transporter took advantage of her regeneration technique, something only the 3rd and 4th Raikage with their lightning armor could survive. Could Kabuto survive it, possibly (pre-Oro's DNA)/probably (post-Oro's DNA) {my personal speculation}, we'll never know.
And not only did he implant Oro's dna without dying, something that is near impossible for normal people, like ask yourself who you know that has the intelligence and scientific knowledge to do that, but no he went further then that and completely subdued Oro's will that was trying to take over him and improved edo tensei to a level far beyond what Oro could do. Oro only managed three edo's at a time but Kabuto improved it to near unlimited, and he doesn't need to place seals on his edo's to control them, He also doesn't use up any chakra once an edo has been summoned and simply controls them unlike Oro.
Kabuto is a normal person, so how is implanting Orochimaru's DNA near impossible for normal people? What makes him not normal? He has no known relationship genetically to the Rikudou Sennin, no KG, not KT, etc. Yes, he's a genius, and he's particularly knowledgeable and gifted at genetic manipulation as demonstrated by his numerous works, but his body is still normal, so that's bull, he could've implanted Orochimaru's DNA into anyone.
Yes, he's come to some sort of equilibrium with the DNA he's injected, but he's far from being the Kabuto he was in the past, see my post just up above, which you may not have read, I don't really feel like retyping nor feel it's legitimate to just copy and paste it here.
And he took things further and created a FAR BIGGER and BETTER version of Manda through genetic engineering, something I don't think even Tsunade knows how to do, and has mastered all of Oro's snake techs.
Where does it say he mastered all of Orochimaru's snake techniques? Do you have any idea how many Orochimaru must've had considering this is the guy that wanted to master every jutsu ever, not to mention how many he's shown?!
Yes, he created a bigger and better version of Manda, which is impressive and goes with one of his best strengths, genetic manipulation. With his genius creativity he called it "Manda version 2," utterly brilliant and completely novel, lol . Seriously, he couldn't come up with a better name? That's a minor/trivial complaint, as Kishi probably needed to keep continuity for the reader, so more of a knock on Kishi, but still, pretty lame. :shrug:
Tsunade doesn't even know genetic engineering, I doubt she could do the simplest genetic manipulation, but Kabuto doesn't know her Taijutsu and how to focus his chakra to a pinpoint so that taijutsu blows deliver devastation and can blow up the land or crush opponents. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses, so what? I'm not going to criticize Einstein because he didn't contribute to discovery of the structure of the DNA double helix, geez what an idiot, lol . Hell, Linus Pauling incorrectly thought DNA was a triple helix, and he has two Nobels. Genius's get stuff wrong and don't specialize in everything, as it's impossible. There's a saying, "a jack of all trades is a master of none." I doubt that the Rikudou Sennin was as good in every aspect of jutsu as some masters are today, i.e. Ninjutsu, Genjutsu, Taijutsu, Kinjutsu, Kenjutsu, Fuuinjutsu, etc. unless he was the exception to the rule, which is entirely possible, but don't tell me anyone else is.
Regarding Edo Tensei, you're inferring what Orochimaru could do based on what Orochimaru did do with a sample size of 1. We don't know how many summons Orochimaru could bring up, we only know he brought 2, and failed trying to bring up Minato because he's in the Shinigami. Thus, that's a specious argument based on an assumption, do you get that? Thus, we don't know that Kabuto improved the number of Edo Tensei summons that can be active at a time, although we do know that he improved the technique. He hasn't been clear exactly as to how he has improved it other than not limiting the free will of his summons as much, but other than that he hasn't been explicit in his improvements as I recall. Further, by endowing them with this free will he's cost himself plenty of battles to emotional catharsis and uncooperative ET's.
As well, he must place a talisman (which you call a seal) in every ET, as that gives him control over the ET even if he doesn't wipe the personality. Even ET Madara has a talisman in him otherwise Kabuto wouldn't have any control over him, and he could run around like Itachi is, due to that freak instance of Kotoamatsukami (Shisui's MS genjutsu) that freed Itachi by instructing him to, "protect Konoha." For every successful ET Kabuto has had such as the 3rd Raikage he's had a significant number of major gaffes like Hanzou, who totally fought Kabuto and was completely wasted. I'm not going to debate that Kabuto's usage of IWR resurrection appears to be superior to that of Orochimaru's because in my opinion it has been. Personally, I kind of wish that he could've used Hashirama and Tobirama because I'd like to see them at superior strength than I believe they were used by Orochimaru. However, you're going overboard in your praise of his Edo Tensei improvement (this is a common theme in your post). We saw Orochimaru use it once, and we have no idea how far he improved it upon where it's status was after Tobirama since Orochimaru perfected it according to Kabuto. Improving on perfection sounds a lot less impressive than perfecting something to me. Further, to me, improvement is what's more important, not the bottom line. If Tobirama had IWR operating at say conceptual to functional with a value of say 25, and Orochimaru got it to say a value of 75, and Kabuto now has it to a value of 100, surely Orochimaru gets second most credit for improving it the most to perfection and Tobirama gets the most credit for conceiving the jutsu in the first place.Kabuto, thus, should get the least credit if he made the least improvement to IWR regardless of the end result.
Real world example:
I work in a field of theory where ideas are everything. Proving a nonlinearity is necessary for solving something is more important than proving that the conjunction of two nonlinearities improves the performance of the solution for example.
Pre shippuden, Tsunade also admitted that Kabuto was stronger then she was at that age and more advanced in medical jutsu and so far he is the only one able to use the chakra scalpel proficiently in battle.
Yes, Tsunade made a comment like this, but Blaze Release has a nice thread about taking these comments in context and not literally, as they lead to problems down the line when comparing characters. Really, it's just hype, and hype is below accomplishment and these statements tend to change when characters meet each other again. An excellent example are the confounding statements of Kisame and Itachi about Jiraiya pre-time-skip as they're inconsistent, with praise at one point and antagonism at another. It's not entirely reliable.
Further, I presume that any medical ninja knows how to make a medical scalpel, as they use them in their medical practice; thus, pulling one out in battle instead of an operating room is not particularly impressive, and proficiency comes from practice, so what? :shrug:
Was able to capture Yamato with ease and escape Kurotsuchi, Onoki, and Akatsutchi with RELATIVE ease.
Capturing Yamato was not his mission! :flaw: His mission was to capture a jinchuuriki, and if I recall, Naruto specifically. He quickly realized that he could not do this with these people there despite Onooki not being able to use dust release (would blow up the tortoise island, lol) and even with Deidara at his side, so he settled for Yamato instead, and took off like a bat out of hell, to save his skinny ass. If he stayed for a prolonged conflict it would've been bad for him, and he knew it. Tobi knew this as well I speculate, which is why he gave him that mission (i.e. set him up to fail), that's my guess anyway regarding Tobi's motives.
Dude stop hating on Kabuto, he is one of the smartest and most talented shinobi in the series and maybe even the strongest in terms of raw power with his recent mastery and improvement of edo tensei and the 3rd best in espionage behind Zetsu and Konan, able to become a tripple agent for years.
I'll ignore the stop hating on Kabuto bit because I know it wasn't directed at me, and instead at someone else.
Kabuto at the beginning of the 4th Great Ninja War had a crapload more raw power than he has know given that so many of his ET's have been sealed, which is an inherent flaw in ET's dependency of powerful shinobi to summon being available, whereas regular summons aren't sealed. What does he have left? He has ET Madara, but he's playing the servant to ET Madara despite summoning him, lol. xd He has 1/2 Muu (can't use dust release in 1/2 form), and whatever tricks up his sleeve (maybe the Jinchuuriki's, personally confused with the six paths of Pain, and Torune, if he kept him). IWR is dramatically reduced in comparison to the start of the war; thus, so is Kabuto's raw power, until he starts restocking his DNA with powerful ninja, and they don't come around all the time. He's got "that jutsu," which you've failed to mention in Kabuto's defense for some reason as an original jutsu, not sure why when people were bringing up FRS, sage mode, etc.
Also, how is he a triple secret agent? There's Akatsuki, Orochimaru, and who else, lol? Sure, he's an excellent spy, but does he really serve that role anymore?
P.S. I don't have the time to respond to your second post. Clearly you are dedicated to Kabuto, which is fine. You were clear and open about it, so please just try to keep it objective though when arguing about your favorites, as it's the hardest thing to do. Further, if you can do it about them, you can do it about anyone, making you a strong debater on anyone in the Narutoverse. You brought up some good points in there, as well as some incorrect ones and specious arguments, but I liked the dedication, and it was pretty respectful too. Thus, +rep.
Kabuto does deserve respect, to be sure. He's a combination of two impressive ninja:
Orochimaru, one of the sannin, who was an excellent fighter and a former member of Akatsuki (they don't take losers). Orochimaru was able to fight the 3rd Hokage head-to-head, was able to fight a 4-tail Naruto by himself, was able to fight Jiraya by himself without being able to use his arms or jutsu, etc.
Kabuto: Even though he was young he was a master medical-nin. He was powerful enough to fight Kakashi one-on-one, able to fight Tsunade and Naruto together too. His knowledge of medical jutsu and his ability to regenerate himself are impressive no matter how you look at it.
Combined, the two of them made an excellent research pair, and some of the awesome stuff they discovered or re-discovered or improved are having a major effect on this war:
1) Improving Edo Tensei to the point that it's a major factor in the war.
2) Researching Hashirama's DNA enough to make Zetsu stronger, and make Edo Madara virtually invincible.
3) Researching Madara enough to not only find his DNA for Edo Tensei, but discovering that he had Rinnegan, discovering that he did not die in the battle at the valley of the end, and adding Hashirama DNA to his body to make him more powerful.
4) Researching whatever Suigetsu found last chapter, which he says could even change the flow of the war.
5) The body transfer and regeneration jutsus, if properly used without getting greedy, can effectively turn a ninja into an immortal.
So Kabuto is pretty awesome, and makes a great partner for Tobi
This is a specious argument, and we can begin simply by asking where the summoner is during the fight. Everyone you listed has been directly facing their opponent except Kabuto, aside from the one fight he failed his objective to capture the jinchuuriki and settled for Yamato. This is totally different, with Kabuto safe and sound in a cave while Jiraiya etc. are exposed to attacks on the battle field where as if Kabuto's summons go down who cares he's safe.
It's a matter of preparation. Techniques that can be prepared ahead of time and then unleashed during battle tend to be more powerful than those which require no preparation. Think about what Edo Tensei requires: You must track down the DNA of the target, you must find a human sacrifice, you must perform a complicated, secret ritual. How many people did Jiraya sacrifice for his own training? Zero. Jiraya's techniques don't require preparation ahead of time besides training and practice. Kabuto's require a lot of preparation, and there are benefits earned from that.
And look where Kakashi is now: Almost got elected hokage with broad agreement. Kabuto, assuming similar amounts of training AND medical enhancement AND gaining power from Orochimaru has probably grown even more than Kakashi has.
Next, Tsunade and Kabuto were actually having a pretty good go at it and both were impressed (Impressing Tsunade is pretty good, especially at his young age). Tsunade was about to hit him with a killer blow though, and he pulled out a little punk move...
Where does it say he mastered all of Orochimaru's snake techniques? Do you have any idea how many Orochimaru must've had considering this is the guy that wanted to master every jutsu ever, not to mention how many he's shown?!
Orochimaru's cells are in his body, and it's been shown that they are having an effect on his mind. Plus, Kabuto was a close student and research assistant for many years. He probably knows as many techniques or nearly as many as Orochimaru did, even if we didn't see him learn them all.
Regarding Edo Tensei, you're inferring what Orochimaru could do based on what Orochimaru did do with a sample size of 1. We don't know how many summons Orochimaru could bring up, we only know he brought 2, and failed trying to bring up Minato because he's in the Shinigami. Thus, that's a specious argument based on an assumption, do you get that?
It's true what you say that we have a small sample size, but the size of the sample is itself an interesting data point. The fact that Orochimaru did not create a huge army of Edo clones even though they would have been invaluable in the invasion of Konoha is interesting. The fact that he didn't use Edo zombies against Jiraya and Tsunade, or the fact that he didn't use them against Itachi, or didn't use them against 4-tail Naruto is interesting. If it's such a powerful technique and Orochimaru was so good at it, why didn't he use it more?
Shadow clones is an interesting technique but most ninja don't use it much. Naruto uses it a lot because he has a natural advantage of deep chakra reserves and he's practiced the technique and worked it into his strategy. Kabuto has clearly specialized in the technique to a level that Orochimaru never did. Orochimaru treated it like some kind of side-show, while Kabuto is using it as his main speciality.
We saw Orochimaru use it once, and we have no idea how far he improved it upon where it's status was after Tobirama since Orochimaru perfected it according to Kabuto. Improving on perfection sounds a lot less impressive than perfecting something to me. Further, to me, improvement is what's more important, not the bottom line. If Tobirama had IWR operating at say conceptual to functional with a value of say 25, and Orochimaru got it to say a value of 75, and Kabuto now has it to a value of 100, surely Orochimaru gets second most credit for improving it the most to perfection and Tobirama gets the most credit for conceiving the jutsu in the first place.Kabuto, thus, should get the least credit if he made the least improvement to IWR regardless of the end result.
There was a time when thinkers in the ancient world knew all knowledge that existed. Aristotle is an example of somebody who knew "everything" at the time. As time goes on and there is more knowledge, people must spend a lifetime specializing in smaller and smaller areas. Isaac Newton famously stood on the shoulders of giants when he invented calculus, but he didn't do all or even most of the background work. He brought the pieces together.
Optimizing a piece of software to be 50% faster may take a few days. Optimizing it to be 5% faster after that may take years. You have to consider how much kabuto focused on it and specialized with it to make the improvements he made, even if they were comparatively small in result. Not all lightning jutsu users make it to the level of the Raikage or Darui or even Kakashi. It's not just a matter of learning the techniques. You have to have a strong basis of knowledge and the ability to devote your time to specialization. Kabuto has a very very broad knowledge base and has devoted a significant amount of time and effort into specializing in the few techniques that he finds the most valuable.
Kabuto at the beginning of the 4th Great Ninja War had a crapload more raw power than he has know given that so many of his ET's have been sealed, which is an inherent flaw in ET's dependency of powerful shinobi to summon being available, whereas regular summons aren't sealed.
No, regular summons can just be killed like Manda was. Edo Zombies cannot be killed and must be sealed, and not all ninja can do that and not all sealing techniques are capable.
What does he have left? He has ET Madara, but he's playing the servant to ET Madara despite summoning him, lol. xd He has 1/2 Muu (can't use dust release in 1/2 form), and whatever tricks up his sleeve (maybe the Jinchuuriki's, personally confused with the six paths of Pain, and Torune, if he kept him). IWR is dramatically reduced in comparison to the start of the war; thus, so is Kabuto's raw power, until he starts restocking his DNA with powerful ninja, and they don't come around all the time.
His potential to use IWR is not diminished. He can create new zombies at any time if he has human sacrifices ready. Even a "normal" ninja zombie and not somebody special is a powerful tool. It takes lots of effort for the living to defeat the dead. The only thing we know is that Kabuto is running out of "special" zombies. He may still have an army of just regular zombie soldiers running around.
Kabuto is a good fighter but not the best one. He's a great medical-nin but not always the best one. He is the best current user of IWR. He is the best current user of snake-related jutsu. He has mountains of secret research knowledge that nobody else has. He has access to (most of) Orochimaru's huge library of jutsu. He's not the best in every single area, but he has a skillset that makes him very formiddable. Tobi's war effort would be very different without him, and many more allied ninja would be alive right now if he wasn't involved.
i like that kabuto is the only one that has been growing almost as much with less showtime. much respect to him. he's not a master antagonist like orochimaru but he's better than tobi.
It's a matter of preparation. Techniques that can be prepared ahead of time and then unleashed during battle tend to be more powerful than those which require no preparation. Think about what Edo Tensei requires: You must track down the DNA of the target, you must find a human sacrifice, you must perform a complicated, secret ritual. How many people did Jiraya sacrifice for his own training? Zero. Jiraya's techniques don't require preparation ahead of time besides training and practice. Kabuto's require a lot of preparation, and there are benefits earned from that.
Hence why directly comparing Impure World Resurrection (IWR) to ninja's who use summonings is a specious argument, you just elaborated on the point yourself. They're two separate techniques.
And look where Kakashi is now: Almost got elected hokage with broad agreement. Kabuto, assuming similar amounts of training AND medical enhancement AND gaining power from Orochimaru has probably grown even more than Kakashi has.
That's nice and all, but the point of my statement was to correct the comparison he made in the past, not the present. Nor did I seek to diminish him, simply correct him. Thus, this is fairly irrelevant and off-topic.
Again, back then, as young as he was. How old was Kabuto and how old was Tsunade in that fight? 4 years later, how much has he grown?
Again, I was correcting him on his statements on Kabuto pre-time-skip. Where he is know is irrelevant for that.
Orochimaru's cells are in his body, and it's been shown that they are having an effect on his mind. Plus, Kabuto was a close student and research assistant for many years. He probably knows as many techniques or nearly as many as Orochimaru did, even if we didn't see him learn them all.
This is speculation as to how much Kabuto knows and doesn't know until it's demonstrated in the manga. You can't simply assume knowledge like that as fact until it's seen or demonstrated in the manga.
It's true what you say that we have a small sample size, but the size of the sample is itself an interesting data point. The fact that Orochimaru did not create a huge army of Edo clones even though they would have been invaluable in the invasion of Konoha is interesting. The fact that he didn't use Edo zombies against Jiraya and Tsunade, or the fact that he didn't use them against Itachi, or didn't use them against 4-tail Naruto is interesting. If it's such a powerful technique and Orochimaru was so good at it, why didn't he use it more?
Shadow clones is an interesting technique but most ninja don't use it much. Naruto uses it a lot because he has a natural advantage of deep chakra reserves and he's practiced the technique and worked it into his strategy. Kabuto has clearly specialized in the technique to a level that Orochimaru never did. Orochimaru treated it like some kind of side-show, while Kabuto is using it as his main speciality.
IWR requires preparation, who's to say he had those corpses ready, and who's to say that's how he wanted to fight. It's pure speculation as to why he chose to use IWR how he used it strategically and when and where. Orochimaru knew a ton of jutsu and seemingly used a diversity of them in various fights rather than spamming jutsu, even his snake jutsu were diversified and never really the same each time. Orochimaru may have perfected a jutsu, but how well does it fit his fighting style? Is he one who likes to sit back and not partake in the fun? Not really. He likes to be involved, and IWR sort of puts the user in the back seat. Making a comparison to shadow clones is a spurious point as it's a natural jutsu for Naruto, not just a jutsu he perfected; as well, Naruto has a very limited arsenal (the corollary of Orochimaru), so it's natural for him to spam it and integrate into his strategy. Perfecting a jutsu does not necessitate using it. Kabuto is using it as his main strategy right now, and right now he's fighting the 4th Great Ninja War, will he continue to use constantly, possibly, we'll see. It could be a good match for his fighting style, but not necessarily for Oro's who perfected countless powerful jutsu that better matched his fighting style.
There was a time when thinkers in the ancient world knew all knowledge that existed. Aristotle is an example of somebody who knew "everything" at the time. As time goes on and there is more knowledge, people must spend a lifetime specializing in smaller and smaller areas. Isaac Newton famously stood on the shoulders of giants when he invented calculus, but he didn't do all or even most of the background work. He brought the pieces together.
Yes, as someone who has a PhD in Theoretical Neuroscience (think mathematical modeling of dynamical biological systems) I know this principle all too well. By the way, Isaac Newtown co-discovered "The Calculus" with Leibniz as it existed before them, they didn't invent it. As for the standing on the shoulder's of giants he was principally referring to Descartes for the Cartesian Geometry contribution, but Newtown went well beyond that, and math/science is inevitably a series of building on prior work. However, that doesn't trivialize novel contributions and sub-specialties, which can generate significant novel general conclusions which have ramifications across countless fields, even those initially unrelated to the original work (see Nash equilibrium in game theory and its applications, which got him a Nobel in Economics quite famously). People now are becoming inter-disciplinary rather than simply sub-specializing (intra-disciplinary), which is the opposite of what you stated, as that was a trend for a significant period of time, but that requires unique talent, training, and desire. This is leading to such mentioned cross-field discoveries, and requires prowess in multiple fields such mathematics and biological sciences at a minimum along with high-level knowledge of other fields such as Physics, programming in multiple languages with high proficiency, etc.
Optimizing a piece of software to be 50% faster may take a few days. Optimizing it to be 5% faster after that may take years. You have to consider how much kabuto focused on it and specialized with it to make the improvements he made, even if they were comparatively small in result. Not all lightning jutsu users make it to the level of the Raikage or Darui or even Kakashi. It's not just a matter of learning the techniques. You have to have a strong basis of knowledge and the ability to devote your time to specialization. Kabuto has a very very broad knowledge base and has devoted a significant amount of time and effort into specializing in the few techniques that he finds the most valuable.
Honestly, if you can optimize my numerical simulations to run 50% faster I'll care. I could care less if you optimize them to run 5% faster, given the time stated, and I would never tell a student to waste that much time when they could be spending it on a much more worthwhile project that would lead to publication. Further, the recognition for improvement of 50% vs. 5% is the difference between significant and borderline insignificant as well as potential profit. You don't give out prizes for 5% improvement. For example, the Sanger method for sequencing DNA/RNA got the Nobel prize, since then there have been countless improvements upon improvements, making the process much faster and more automated, I don't know if any of them have received the Nobel for their optimizations/improvements upon the initial discovery, which is what truly matters, not the final optimizations. The same goes for Kabuto.
No, regular summons can just be killed like Manda was. Edo Zombies cannot be killed and must be sealed, and not all ninja can do that and not all sealing techniques are capable.
Thus far, one regular summons has died after Deidara's biggest bomb, so OK, mea culpa. Not all ninja can seal, and not all seals are effective, but thus far in this 4th Great Ninja War it's not been a problem for the alliance, once prepared to counter IWR. Now anyone who knows that Kabuto might be threat can be prepared as long as IWR is a threat as well. Even Bee and Naruto carry those temporary seals that require no knowledge of Fuuinjutsu that allowed them to take out an Edo Tensei in about 5s for example (the ET who used magnetized windmill shuriken).
His potential to use IWR is not diminished. He can create new zombies at any time if he has human sacrifices ready. Even a "normal" ninja zombie and not somebody special is a powerful tool. It takes lots of effort for the living to defeat the dead. The only thing we know is that Kabuto is running out of "special" zombies. He may still have an army of just regular zombie soldiers running around.
This is a ridiculous statement, IWR has clearly been diminished. Do you honestly believe that fodder ninja can replace the greats that have been sealed? Take out the ET Kages and simply replace them with some ET random ninja and you think that Kabuto has the same fighting force? That's absurd. As stated above, recall that ET ninja with magnetism with the windmill shuriken that KM Naruto sealed in about 5s (shocking Kabuto), yet the ET 3rd Raikage took much more effort and strategy. Do you really think Onooki would have as much trouble with some jounin as he has had with Muu? Would he even have left HQ for a random jounin and not specifically for Muu? What of ET Madara, who Kabuto counts as his trump card, what happens when he goes down, does Kabuto's stock quality of Edo Tensei's not suffer? If you say "no" and that he can sub him out, I find that absurd.
This latter emboldened statement is pure speculation.
Kabuto is a good fighter but not the best one. He's a great medical-nin but not always the best one. He is the best current user of IWR. He is the best current user of snake-related jutsu. He has mountains of secret research knowledge that nobody else has. He has access to (most of) Orochimaru's huge library of jutsu. He's not the best in every single area, but he has a skillset that makes him very formiddable. Tobi's war effort would be very different without him, and many more allied ninja would be alive right now if he wasn't involved.
Kabuto is a good fighter, agreed but seen limited action since he's always been the number 2 and still is. Can Kabuto become the lead antagonist? He's probably the 2nd best medical ninja out there, and I would guess the 3rd best "pure" best medical ninja as I have Sakura ahead of him believe it or not because that's all she's concentrated in, while he's adept in so much else, and I don't consider genetic manipulation a medical ninjutsu (I consider it Kinjutsu). That's me personally, so it can be considered up to debate, whereby he would be 2nd to Tsunade in pure medical ninjutsu in my opinion. He is both the best and the only user of snake jutsu, which makes him easily the best, lol. He's both the best and the only user of IWR, which, again, easily makes him the best, lol. He has access to mountains of secret research true... He has a lot of strengths, no doubt. I didn't refute those.
Tobi's war effort would be very different without him as Tobi stated that he would modify his plans to accommodate Kabuto's role with IWR. Speculating that Kabuto has saved the day for the axis is just that, speculation. We never saw Tobi's original plans, and thus have no idea how things would've worked out. Tobi planned for decades, and it's unlikely he planned for that long to go to war against the 5 Nations just to lose if it hadn't been for Kabuto. Yes, of course Kabuto's Edo Tensei's have led to more deaths, that's obvious. Adding opposition to the alliance naturally leads to increased causalities, which is a trivial conclusion. Kabuto's been a valuable asset, but it's not like the war couldn't have gone on without him, as it would've, he merely enhanced Tobi's forces it appears. However, we'll never know without seeing Tobi's original plans.
Go back and read my original post in this thread please. The one that isn't a reply to whoever this one was that you critiqued, and no one replied. I wrote about why I think Kabuto lacked popularity from an objective viewpoint that I think you might appreciate (it begins with why Deidara was popular so it should standout). I respect Kabuto, ok, he's good at certain things, and excellent if not the best at some others. He's got to be in the top 10 active ninja currently, on everyone's table, if not, there's something wrong. Not all time, but active. We'll see if matures into something grander or molts before he has that chance. Personally, I do dislike his personality. I'll admit that. I've never liked it, so arrogant and cruel. However, that doesn't prevent me from judging him or anyone else objectively, and I'll post my track record in support of that.
Please don't confuse my post of making corrections with one of disrepect. As well, with this post, I was in a rush; thus, I wasn't able to take the time to read it over and smooth over things that might have initially been written as harsh that I normally would then rewrite as much more moderate and less antagonistic. Thus, if I offended you, I apologize in advance. I haven't reread this, so I don't know if I did and what mistakes I've made. You can tell in part due to the lack of "smilies" lol, which I enjoy putting in post-type. Anyway, as always... (see there's one ... and another)
Although I never hated or loved Kabuto, I am surprised by the lack of fans or even a strong hater base for him. I think he is one of the most interesting characters out there. Unlike most, he doesnt carry any "destiny" or "dreams" and most importantly, his character has never bothered us by soppy distracting flashbacks and all the time we have seen him, it has been in the most entertaining conflicts.
His major criticism is he is a wannabe Orochimaru, which I think is bull crap. Is utilizing what he has learned from someone strong and intelligent a drawback? Since SO6P gave birth to ninjutsu, are all ninjas wannabe rikudo? Even after Oro's death, whose motivations gave Kabuto a purpose in life, he picked himself up from a crony's status to becoming one of the key players in the fourth ninja war and he has still kept his real motivations a secret, which in my book deserves respect.
Kabuto definitely is not my favorite character. In my book he doesn't deserve respect. He has kept his motivations a secret which makes him the sneakiest character in the Manga.
Kabuto betrayed Konoha and joined Orochimaru. He was a spy. He is a talented medical ninja. Nobody know what other jutsu knows, probably a lot.
He was Oro's best assistant. He worked with Oro and learned from him.
Kabuto is sneaky like a snake he has become. Even Orochimaru didn't trust him fully. I believe even when he was working under Oro, he might have had his own ulterior motives.
His thirst for power/jutsus is the worst. He walks in the foot steps of Oro. He intends to walk further. He is truly evil. Experimenting with people alive and dead. Secretly waging a war. Not revealing his motives yet. How does somebody like him deserve respect? I mean respect?
As a character he has developed a lot. He has become much stronger. He is going to be a major villain in the open I think. So I will 'approve' him or his progress. That's all.
And he uses honorifics like kun, sama a lot. That's is the only thing he does anything worthy of respect. .
A villain who revives (long) dead venerable ninjas to fight against their own people deserves respect?
Or perhaps your choice of word (respect) is wrong.
However we dont know if he's powerful yet
He hasnt shown any moves that orochimaru knew that he didnt know himself
He was already was studying Edo tensei when orochimaru was still in the world of the living
Edo tensei doesnt make you stong, That character he summons beats you not Kabuto
thats the main reason why people don't think he's all dat, but as you can see from my name im a kabuto fan, i think he is highly skilled
he skilled at spying, and medical ninjutsu. but still has a lot of tricks up his sleeve and is real deceitful. i loved when he use to escape from kakashi and kakashi wud get thight in part 1 of the series and even now when he was spying on akatski, you gotta give him credit.
i don't know if he is the mastermind villain sord of, but it's great to see that he's not the main villain of these arcs.
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (2001)
Mr. Ollivander: Curious... very curious...
Harry: Sorry, but what's curious?
Mr. Ollivander: I remember every wand I've ever sold, Mr. Potter. It so happens that the phoenix whose tailfeather resides in your wand gave another feather... just one other. It is curious that you should be destined for this wand when its brother gave you that scar.
Harry: And who owned that wand?
Mr. Ollivander: We do not speak his name! The wand chooses the wizard, Mr. Potter. It's not always clear why. But I think it is clear that we can expect great things from you. After all, He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named did great things. Terrible! Yes. But great.
respect has to earned, whats kabuto done to make you wana respect him?
Just because he revived some the strongest shinobi in history?
What his view on ethics? He seems to think its okay to revive the dead and use them against there team mates. Him and Orocihmaru are both dispicable human beings.
Even the other villains in the story like Nagato, madara and tobi have shown valves of honoring the dead and what they achirved or tried to achieve in their lives. Nagato respected jiraiya and didnt revive him a path out of respect, Tobi respects Hasihrama and the only person he admires.
Madara not sure about him but so far hes shown respect to his enimies when he fights.
Kabuto seems to just belittle any shinobi he has under his control or fights and hides with unfounded aggroance like when he fought the stone kage.
He's just like sasuke aggroant and has no repect towards true power.
U you wana respect someone dude, try the third hokage dispite knowing of edo tensei and had access to tobirama's scrollls in konoha(this how orocihmaru found out about the tech) he didnt resort using it.
There many other characters with far more admirable characters than kabuto and orocihmaru.
They are strong but they havent shown anything to make me say such strong words like "I respect him".
Kabuto doesnt even fight himself, at least oroichmaru did the fighting mostly and used edo tensei alot less than kabuto used in the past 20 chapters.
I dont mind those respecting him for what ever reason, but just keep in perspective, kabuto hasnt got admirable goals in life. At least orocihmaru wanted to understand life more after his parents died. Kabuto like so many say just tries to finsh off orochimaru's work. And everything we have seen from kabuto is all BASED on orocihmaru work with Hasihrama+tobimrama and madara.
The only thing i think is good about kabuto in the manga now is that we got to see what orocihmaru did in his life.
AND IF YOU NOTICE when kabuto shows off something strong that madara or tobi didnt expect the panel ALWAYS bring up how orocihmaru did this or i didnt know hw knew that. etc...
respect has to earned, whats kabuto done to make you wana respect him?
Just because he revived some the strongest shinobi in history?
What his view on ethics? He seems to think its okay to revive the dead and use them against there team mates. Him and Orocihmaru are both dispicable human beings.
Even the other villains in the story like Nagato, madara and tobi have shown valves of honoring the dead and what they achirved or tried to achieve in their lives. Nagato respected jiraiya and didnt revive him a path out of respect, Tobi respects Hasihrama and the only person he admires.
Madara not sure about him but so far hes shown respect to his enimies when he fights.
Kabuto seems to just belittle any shinobi he has under his control or fights and hides with unfounded aggroance like when he fought the stone kage.
He's just like sasuke aggroant and has no repect towards true power.
U you wana respect someone dude, try the third hokage dispite knowing of edo tensei and had access to tobirama's scrollls in konoha(this how orocihmaru found out about the tech) he didnt resort using it.
There many other characters with far more admirable characters than kabuto and orocihmaru.
They are strong but they havent shown anything to make me say such strong words like "I respect him".
Kabuto doesnt even fight himself, at least oroichmaru did the fighting mostly and used edo tensei alot less than kabuto used in the past 20 chapters.
I dont mind those respecting him for what ever reason, but just keep in perspective, kabuto hasnt got admirable goals in life. At least orocihmaru wanted to understand life more after his parents died. Kabuto like so many say just tries to finsh off orochimaru's work. And everything we have seen from kabuto is all BASED on orocihmaru work with Hasihrama+tobimrama and madara.
The only thing i think is good about kabuto in the manga now is that we got to see what orocihmaru did in his life.
AND IF YOU NOTICE when kabuto shows off something strong that madara or tobi didnt expect the panel ALWAYS bring up how orocihmaru did this or i didnt know hw knew that. etc...
We are yet to see his motives and then judge the path he has taken to achieve his goals. I dont think ethics come into question here, as he is a villain and he will looked down upon despite him having any ethics at all. He does show respect for his enemies, but his single minded quest makes him more devious thats all. And anyway I do not mean respect as a person, but as an interesting character. No one would idealize Kabuto in real life.
i think that people got to worry about that chakra dissection blade because just a touch can disable any shinobi and plus he has orochimaru's will and knowlege of jutsu so that should be something to definitely put into consideration
