"Kabuto can't use Edo Madara?" Don't be stupid to think Madara isn't Kabuto's Bit**!

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Re: "Kabuto can't use Edo Madara?" Don't be stupid to think Madara isn't Kabuto's Bi

If hashi couldn't break out who are you guys to suggest Madara would be able to if he had his personality locked away into oblivion.

The edo tensi cant control uchiha is just plot no jutsu. Think itachi could do it again without Shisui eye? Somehow I don't think so.
 

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Re: "Kabuto can't use Edo Madara?" Don't be stupid to think Madara isn't Kabuto's Bi

great theory...but you forget that itachi was an edo as well and he was a gud guy....how come he can escape and not madara?explain this and im convinced
 

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Re: "Kabuto can't use Edo Madara?" Don't be stupid to think Madara isn't Kabuto's Bi

Kabuto wanted to see the true power of Madara? I guess he would be a bit too bunny-hearted for this action. Besides, if I'm not wrong, as I'm a newb, Itachi owned Kabuto implementing izanasomething, so do us a favour, don't commit the mistake all the smarties make, stop thinking that you're the one who knows everything.
***** right there bro....well done
 

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Re: "Kabuto can't use Edo Madara?" Don't be stupid to think Madara isn't Kabuto's Bi

great theory...but you forget that itachi was an edo as well and he was a gud guy....how come he can escape and not madara?explain this and im convinced
Shisui's eye...apparently it was one of the most powerful sharinghans.




"explain this and im convinced"

Now that you're convinced...welcome to the dark side
 
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Re: "Kabuto can't use Edo Madara?" Don't be stupid to think Madara isn't Kabuto's Bi

Shisui's eye...apparently it was one of the most powerful sharinghans.




"explain this and im convinced"

Now that you're convinced...welcome to the dark side
so let me get this straight.....and tell me if you don't agree.....if kabuto were to use shishui as an edo...he would be able to break through?
 

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Re: "Kabuto can't use Edo Madara?" Don't be stupid to think Madara isn't Kabuto's Bi

I agree buddy. Kabuto couldn't even handle itachi. He was using borrowed power from orochimaru. And even ms madara before he became edo can take on sage kabuto. Also even before they are fully controlled by the user of edo the summons have their memories etc. The talismans are just used for more control. Marra would have broken the technique no matter what it was only a matter of time.
*Yawn*

Likewise Itachi was using borrowed power from Shisui. However, I give that feat to itachi cos he practically planned in advance to give it to naruto. He outsmarted Kabuto. He can't do it again now...you know...cos' that eye is now gone.

If tobirama, you no, the guy who developed the technique couldn't break out of it...the idea that Marada is able to is laughable at. Again, plot no jutsu disabled kabuto. Good fight guys...you fought well, now time to GTFO
 
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Re: "Kabuto can't use Edo Madara?" Don't be stupid to think Madara isn't Kabuto's Bi

so let me get this straight.....and tell me if you don't agree.....if kabuto were to use shishui as an edo...he would be able to break through?
Hmm...That's a good point. That would be an argument in which there is no clear answer to. Many reasons for that, both sides would have good arguments in that scenario....only one who could clarify that would be kishi.

My personal views is that he won't be able to break out of it himself. Heres why I think so.
1) Tobirama wasn't able to break out of it himself, thus this could suggest that the victim does not have time to break out himself.
2) If Kabuto was to totally erase his personality and make him into a puppet like ori did to hashi and tobi then he could make sure he does'nt use the ability that "breaks" the edo.


However....If personality was left in, I would assume Shisui would be able to deceive himself into breaking out of the edo, as he is a clever dude.

In that scenario...I'll honestly say I don't have an answer for.

Edit: However, reason why Itachi can't break out again...is because the next time that ability is able to be used is .....a decade....Plus didn't Itachi burn up the eye good anyway.

Edit2: Just went over how edo is used...There is literially no time frame in which the person is able to react to being revived. . You see, when it was complete, he was a zombie, i.e. drouling...Kabuto could have just made him a puppet right there, but he obviously was in no hurry so the guy regained conciousness and then became a puppet.
You can imagine the same happening to Madara aswell. Just imagine that situation. If Madara was able to react and break out the moment he was revived, that would mean he was concious and would have memory of being revived via edo.
HOWEVER...clearly he wasn't aware of his revival via edo. ...He thought Nagato had fully revived him. Why would he think that if he had time to react the first time he was brought back into the impure world.
 
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Hmm...That's a good point. That would be an argument in which there is no clear answer to. Many reasons for that, both sides would have good arguments in that scenario....only one who could clarify that would be kishi.

My personal views is that he won't be able to break out of it himself. Heres why I think so.
1) Tobirama wasn't able to break out of it himself, thus this could suggest that the victim does not have time to break out himself.
2) If Kabuto was to totally erase his personality and make him into a puppet like ori did to hashi and tobi then he could make sure he does'nt use the ability that "breaks" the edo.


However....If personality was left in, I would assume Shisui would be able to deceive himself into breaking out of the edo, as he is a clever dude.

In that scenario...I'll honestly say I don't have an answer for.

Edit: However, reason why Itachi can't break out again...is because the next time that ability is able to be used is .....a decade....Plus didn't Itachi burn up the eye good anyway.

Edit2: Just went over how edo is used...There is literially no time frame in which the person is able to react to being revived. . You see, when it was complete, he was a zombie, i.e. drouling...Kabuto could have just made him a puppet right there, but he obviously was in no hurry so the guy regained conciousness and then became a puppet.
You can imagine the same happening to Madara aswell. Just imagine that situation. If Madara was able to react and break out the moment he was revived, that would mean he was concious and would have memory of being revived via edo.
HOWEVER...clearly he wasn't aware of his revival via edo. ...He thought Nagato had fully revived him. Why would he think that if he had time to react the first time he was brought back into the impure world.
well there are some valid points there.....im kinda convinced anybody would have a hard time getting out of kabuto's edo.....but that doesn't necessarily mean that kabuto is the strongest....coz if he uses his edos as puppets he cant use their full potential (hope there's no argument there) just like oro failed to f*ck hiruzen with the edo of the senju brothers......a guy with bad-ass sealing jutsus can defeat kabuto in my view....
 

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well there are some valid points there.....im kinda convinced anybody would have a hard time getting out of kabuto's edo.....but that doesn't necessarily mean that kabuto is the strongest....coz if he uses his edos as puppets he cant use their full potential (hope there's no argument there) just like oro failed to f*ck hiruzen with the edo of the senju brothers......a guy with bad-ass sealing jutsus can defeat kabuto in my view....
Indeed, I'd agree. If he uses the edos as puppets he defo won't be able to use their full potentials. But I think the point of the OP was that if he wanted, Kabuto could have made Madara lick his toes and give him a sponge bath.

Edit: Which is why hashi and tobi seemed soo weak when ori used him (they were just puppets), i mean...hashi destroyed madara...obviously we saw no way near the power of hashi in that fight.
 

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Re: "Kabuto can't use Edo Madara?" Don't be stupid to think Madara isn't Kabuto's Bi

well there are some valid points there.....im kinda convinced anybody would have a hard time getting out of kabuto's edo.....but that doesn't necessarily mean that kabuto is the strongest....coz if he uses his edos as puppets he cant use their full potential (hope there's no argument there) just like oro failed to f*ck hiruzen with the edo of the senju brothers......a guy with bad-ass sealing jutsus can defeat kabuto in my view....
He cant use there full potential? Can i have a link for that?


Just because orochimaru was a noob at utilizing the best out of his edos, doesnt mean kabuto is.
 

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Re: "Kabuto can't use Edo Madara?" Don't be stupid to think Madara isn't Kabuto's Bi

The fact is, as long as kabuto was made madara an edo, he was in danger of losing him if he ever wanted to use the full powers of madara.
If kabuto wanted to use only madara's petty fire style and v1 susanoo against the allaince then fine, but madara will not be more vauable than asuma in that case.
 

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Re: "Kabuto can't use Edo Madara?" Don't be stupid to think Madara isn't Kabuto's Bi

Kabuto is in no position to do anything,Kabuto can't help Himself And Orochimaru took back His power that Kabuto took from Him.
 
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Re: "Kabuto can't use Edo Madara?" Don't be stupid to think Madara isn't Kabuto's Bi

Its proven that it is because he can use both methods (mindless or couscous). And Hashirama was the reason Madara became that strong, Izuna was the reason madara is strong, Itachi is the reason sasuke is strong, Kyubi is the reason why naruto is strong, Obito is the reason why kakashi is strong, etc etc! =)



exactly! And he was out of commission when madara broke free!



Thanx!
umm hmm how should i put this you are a ignorant ****. kabuto can't be number one when he was beaten by Itachi and sasuke.

also kurama isn't naruto's power naruto defeted kurama with his own power. and don't say his mother made it happen all she did was stop kurama so she could talk with him. after talking with his mother he gained a new and more powerfull will strong enough to overpower kurama's will. kurama didn't give him sage mode, rasengan, rasensurakin, odama rasengan, kaga bushin no jutsu, summoning jutsu. so plz go read the manga and stop being a ****ing hipacrit. and sasuke is the reason naruto trained so hard to be as strong as he is now. and his mother father friends and village.
 

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Re: "Kabuto can't use Edo Madara?" Don't be stupid to think Madara isn't Kabuto's Bi

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it clearly states on the picture who ever knows the seal can be able to release themself
It's end of all talks Kabuto is not in top 10
 
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