Kabuto cant really take on the likes of hashi and madara

[uchiahjay]

Yea, maybe kabuto is all that, but can he really go head to head with the bosses, the likes of hashi and ems madara?
Hashirama- sure kabuto has his edo army and dsm, but good luck trying to fight a whole forest, in the ninja strom generations demo, i realised something about hashi's fighting style, much like kabuto he tries to overwhelm an oponent and actually succeds, i mean, all kabuto's edo would probably be stuck fighting a tree or something,
Wood clones, is another trouble 1 wood clone=1 edo, jonin level
Wood dragon- another factor, that can make kabuto shit himself
bringer of darkness- if im correct thats the same tech sarutobi used in defeating his sensei's, edo form if i might add, and then
Larger chakra reserve-this is just a theory, but i think the chakra hashi's wood sucks is been used by the woods, imagine a branch touches an oponenet and takes a potion of its chakra, that branch can actually grow bigger, meaning hashi can actually save his own chakra, while using his oponent's, asides that even hashi himself has larger chakra reserves,
And finally hashi sealing abilities, perfect for kabuto's edo.

Madara-well with the full form kyuubi at his side, 1 tbb= roasted edo army
PS-another shit kabuto cant wrap himself around
Amaterasu- this is the one tech i feel nulifies edo, its been stated that the fire never runs out until object is totally gone, as long as the edo is still there it would just keep burning
Gengitsu- another thing that can actually work for edo problems- i think anyone who reads the manga does not need an explanation to this, so yea.

This thread was made for all those who have gone as far as saying kabuto can beat the so6p, or kabuto cant loose in a 1 on 1 battle, sorry but thats wrong

PS- i focused on edo army kabuto, because thats the abilities that would give hashi and madara a problem, in dsm form, omg kabuto would get pinned on the floor and butt raped in a very uncomfortable manner.

 

[Valen]

Rant, no proof, no explanation

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[xXBlazinNinXx]

Are you trying to earn some good req? Make a explanation (good convincing one) with solid proof like a manga page .....

 

[uchiahjay]

Rant, no proof, no explanation

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yea i purposely made it that way, if you have any questions, just ask

 

[Rayder]

EMS Madara could be beaten by Kabuto.
Hashirama would not.

 

[uchiahjay]

Are you trying to earn some good req? Make a explanation (good convincing one) with solid proof like a manga page .....

Sorry mate, im using a phone here, cant go through all that stress to prove a point thats a fact.

 

[Deadai]

Kabuto has a poison that can suppress Makuton so if he where to go head to head against Hashirama there is a good chance he will try to land this kind of blow on Hashirama VIA snake bite's.

 

[Simple Math]

laughable.. you are including edo army and still think Madara and Hashirama will win?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Kabuto may not be as strong as them but he can definitely outsmart them.

 

[Meowazziel]

Yea, maybe kabuto is all that, but can he really go head to head with the bosses, the likes of hashi and ems madara?

He can defeat Hashirama and Madara especially.
He can defeat them at least 1 on 1.
Kabuto has anti mokuton and anti dojutsu tools.
He counters them.
and those who do not have Hashi powers or dojutsu, are not strong enough to take on a sage like Kabuto.
Maybe Naruto, another sage and great fighter, who doesnt rely on Mokuton or dojutsu, could take on Kabuto.

Kabuto vs Hashirama.
Kabuto wins.
He has anti mokuton poison.
His snakes have anti mokuton poison.
No doubt that manda has it as well, so cya mokuton.

He has great endurance and athough his healing capability(with or without Karin her power) is probably slightly weaker than hashirama, it is still pretty damm boss.

Throw sage mode in the mix and his offensive healing attacks, and than I hope for hashirama, that he has made a diaper out of mokuton, cause he is gonna shit his pants.

Kabuto doesnt even need Edo, but you could add that as well to be sure.

Kabuto vs Madara.
Kabuto wins.

Kabuto can disable susanoo, with his sage sound jutsu (edit: the vibration one, not to be confused with tayuya sound genjutsu).
He can cover his eye lids with the snake eyelid covers and rely on other senses.

If he implants a tag in edo madara, than edo madara is done for (something he almost managed to do on Itachi, who got saved by Sasuke).

He can do sound genjutsu on Madara. Neither Sasuke nor Itachi could get out of it themselfs, so its pretty powerful.

His inorganic reincarnation sage jutsu, puts life into what is not living, like rocks and is super fast.
This ability can hit Madara for sure. Itachi couldnt dodge in time (saved Sasuke though) and Sasuke didnt even see it comming, even though he has MS.

You dont even need to name all of Kabuto's abilities(like kimimaro and the likes) in order to see that he can take on Madara.

Add edo into the mix and Madara should use Hashi his Mokuton powers to make a mokuton diaper as well.

Basically Madara doesnt have anything that he can take on Kabuto with, except maybe Izanami (but that is a lame plot no jutsu and Kabuto will get out of it, so you can write that one off ).

 

[uchiahjay]

Kabuto has a poison that can suppress Makuton so if he where to go head to head against Hashirama there is a good chance he will try to land this kind of blow on Hashirama VIA snake bite's.

true, but he only used that poison on an unconcious 3quater version of hashi, bro im talking about hashirama here, a concious one, the real one, not an oro experiment, someone who was said to have better healing skills than tsunade, beleieve me kabuto wont even have the chance to think of poison, let alone execute it, but good point.

 

[Meowazziel]

true, but he only used that poison on an unconcious 3quater version of hashi, bro im talking about hashirama here, a concious one, the real one, not an oro experiment, someone who was said to have better healing skills than tsunade, beleieve me kabuto wont even have the chance to think of poison, let alone execute it, but good point.

Let Manda v2 put his teeth in Hashi, a bunch of snakes or other poison methods (no doubt a guy like Kabuto has several) and you can assume for sure, that Hashi using Mokuton vs Kabuto, will be really hard.
It will be disturbed often for sure, used in a handicapped way or just plain stopped.

 

[uchiahjay]

He can defeat Hashirama and Madara especially.
He can defeat them at least 1 on 1.
Kabuto has anti mokuton and anti dojutsu tools.
He counters them.
and those who do not have Hashi powers or dojutsu, are not strong enough to take on a sage like Kabuto.
Maybe Naruto, another sage and great fighter, who doesnt rely on Mokuton or dojutsu, could take on Kabuto.

Kabuto vs Hashirama.
Kabuto wins.
He has anti mokuton poison.
His snakes have anti mokuton poison.
No doubt that manda has it as well, so cya mokuton.

He has great endurance and athough his healing capability(with or without Karin her power) is probably slightly weaker than hashirama, it is still pretty damm boss.

Throw sage mode in the mix and his offensive healing attacks, and than I hope for hashirama, that he has made a diaper out of mokuton, cause he is gonna shit his pants.

Kabuto doesnt even need Edo, but you could add that as well to be sure.

Kabuto vs Madara.
Kabuto wins.

Kabuto can disable susanoo, with his sage sound jutsu.
He can cover his eye lids with the snake eyelid covers and rely on other senses.

If he implants a tag in edo madara, than edo madara is done for (something he almost managed to do on Itachi, who got saved by Sasuke).

He can do sound genjutsu on Madara. Neither Sasuke nor Itachi could get out of it themselfs, so its pretty powerful.

His inorganic reincarnation sage jutsu, puts life into what is not living, like rocks and is super fast.
This ability can hit Madara for sure. Itachi couldnt dodge in time (saved Sasuke though) and Sasuke didnt even see it comming, even though he has MS.

You dont even need to name all of Kabuto's abilities(like kimimaro and the likes) in order to see that he can take on Madara.

Add edo into the mix and Madara should use Hashi his Mokuton powers to make a mokuton diaper as well.

Basically Madara doesnt have anything that he can take on Kabuto with, except maybe Izanami (but that is a lame plot no jutsu and Kabuto will get out of it, so you can write that one off ).

Wow, ok thats alot to deal with, i figured people wont read the thread, they would just disagree with the title thats why i dint stress myself much, but now you put up a valid agrument, its time to back up my point.

Sure i cant even argue with some of the things you just put out, but make no mistakes, kabuto had like 15 minuite of fame, his powers were sucked out by one touch from oro, showing all forms of carelessness, to be so powerful and defeated so soon, unlike boss obito.

Now hashirama
You mentioned anti moukton, sorry but thats meaningless, make no mistake, that so called poison does not supress the wood, it supresses the wood user's chakra, if he cant touch hashirama, he cant do shit, and im sure hashi wont just let snakes bite feast on him. In taijutsu kabuto entirely sucks, even the tsusukage's duaghter trapped him low diff, hashi could take advantage of his weak taijutsu and act even before he has the chance to enter sage mode.

Even if he enters dsm, lets not forget hashi average= sage mode, the nigga is a wrecking machine, his wood clones can regenerate, did you get that? regene '****ing' rate, you can actually cut him in two and that wont matter, his healing abilities far surpasses kabuto's, and his war experience would see kabuto's 15 minites shortened

As for madara- you make it seem like, the whole time kabuto is displaying all that, madara is busy at the barbers shop

Madara has ****ing zetsu at his side
Kyuubi too,
Perfect susano- bro i swing of its sword would do damage, its all about spacing, and madara would not sit by and let a sound gengitsu take effect, a tbb should take care of everything dsm has to offer, a tbb can make a soccer field, you can imagine what it would do to kabuto, manda, his inorganic whatever, his petty snakes and his summons, if perfectly timed, and make no mistakes about it, madara is kabuto's worse enemy, cause you see while most ninja's would be trying to find a way to stop kabuto's edo, madara dosent mind killing kabuto and letting a bunch of zombies run wild.
You seem to forget that the only reason sasuke did not waste kabuto was that itachi had the intention of stopping edo not killing kabuto.

 

[Meowazziel]

Wow, ok thats alot to deal with, i figured people wont read the thread, they would just disagree with the title thats why i dint stress myself much, but now you put up a valid agrument, its time to back up my point.

Sure i cant even argue with some of the things you just put out, but make no mistakes, kabuto had like 15 minuite of fame, his powers were sucked out by one touch from oro, showing all forms of carelessness, to be so powerful and defeated so soon, unlike boss obito.

Now hashirama
You mentioned anti moukton, sorry but thats meaningless, make no mistake, that so called poison does not supress the wood, it supresses the wood user's chakra, if he cant touch hashirama, he cant do shit, and im sure hashi wont just let snakes bite feast on him. In taijutsu kabuto entirely sucks, even the tsusukage's duaghter trapped him low diff, hashi could take advantage of his weak taijutsu and act even before he has the chance to enter sage mode.

Even if he enters dsm, lets not forget hashi average= sage mode, the nigga is a wrecking machine, his wood clones can regenerate, did you get that? regene '****ing' rate, you can actually cut him in two and that wont matter, his healing abilities far surpasses kabuto's, and his war experience would see kabuto's 15 minites shortened

As for madara- you make it seem like, the whole time kabuto is displaying all that, madara is busy at the barbers shop

Madara has ****ing zetsu at his side
Kyuubi too,
Perfect susano- bro i swing of its sword would do damage, its all about spacing, and madara would not sit by and let a sound gengitsu take effect, a tbb should take care of everything dsm has to offer, a tbb can make a soccer field, you can imagine what it would do to kabuto, manda, his inorganic whatever, his petty snakes and his summons, if perfectly timed, and make no mistakes about it, madara is kabuto's worse enemy, cause you see while most ninja's would be trying to find a way to stop kabuto's edo, madara dosent mind killing kabuto and letting a bunch of zombies run wild.
You seem to forget that the only reason sasuke did not waste kabuto was that itachi had the intention of stopping edo not killing kabuto.

What does Oro have to do with everything or Obito? You include Zetsu and Kurama at Madara his side, so Kabuto can have Oro his powers as well for these battles (vs Hashi, vs Madara). Even if he doesnt have them, than he still has loads of powers left (Oro only took back his own chakra and cancelled sage mode). Kabuto has a better body for sage mode than Orochimaru (Oro was imperfect sage).

Hashi will not stand still and just let himself get bitten, but he has to fight all battle with that danger.
Kabuto his snakes have that poison and Manda v2. no doubt as well. Kabuto is a clever guy, he will incorperate poison in numerous ways. Even if he doesnt manage to make a hit with the poison, Hashi will have to dodge it all battle and that is quite the handicap on his powers.

The tsuchikage his daughter didnt trap him low diff. If you read that chapter, Kabuto let himself be trapped on purpose and they all fell for it. He even said to Kurotsuchi (tsuchikage granddaughter), that he knew her abilities all along and recognized what was comming by the hand seals she used. Jumping out of the trap, Kabuto grabbed Yamato and took his leave.

Kabuto his Taijutsu is not his best strength, but it is actually pretty good. He was so fast, Itachi didnt see it coming and got sliced in half by the scalpels.
Tsunade, someone who is great in close combat, had trouble with Kabuto his taijutsu form.
Kabuto his taijutsu is special. It is not your average punching style, but he gets in close combat to hit you with his scalpels. Being able to use such long scalpels in battle impressed Tsunade, a Medical kunoichi genius.
It wouldnt be what he would be using often vs Hashirama though, however, Kabuto taijutsu, + sage mode + poison snakes, makes up for quite some danger in close combat.

Something that is important as well, is Kabuto his knowledge about Hashirama.
He even knew about the flower tree world. What does Hashi know about Kabuto? Nothing.

Mokuton will not be a good tool to take Kabuto out with.
So what will Hashi use instead? Bringer of darkness will not help vs a Sage like Kabuto, who does not rely on his eyes.
When Kabuto summons an Edo tensei like Itachi, Nagato, or even someone like Sasori (what is Hashi gonna do against that numbing poison?) the fight will get even more in Kabuto his favour.

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Kabuto vs Madara.

Sasuke his arrows are insanely fast and Kabuto dodged them fairly easily. Kabuto has boss speed and sensory skills.
Madara his Susanoo sword could be dodged as well, Kabuto just has to fight from range and since he has plenty range jutsus, this wouldnt weaken him much.

As listed, he has the sage sound jutsu that vibrates AND blinds. Sasuke and Itachi couldnt keep their eyes open and lost the ability to keep susanoo active. Madara is not different and wouldnt be able to take it either. Only Kabuto could, due to the fact that he could turn his body into water, like suigetsu, to take the vibration and could close his eyes with the snake eye lids to not suffer from the blinding.

Kabuto his sound genjutsu of Tayuya, can be used from great range(shown by Tayuya herself and Kabuto). This is a tool that is near impossible to dodge and you actually need a teammate to help you out (Itachi freed Sasuke, Sasuke freed Itachi).

Sasuke couldnt have killed Kabuto, even if Itachi encouraged him.
Sasuke actually did an attempt to make a hit with a susanoo arrow and Kabuto dodged this no diff.
So madara not caring about zombies, is no big deal, cause he cant kill him .

To spit even more in Madara's face , Kabuto could bring out edo's who use dojutsus. Stopping Madara from using his dojutsu with the white rage sage jutsu (blinding and vibrating sound sage jutsu) and than summoning someone like Nagato or Itachi.

Kabuto is a character, who is designed to take out Dojutsu users and Mokuton users.
So it is not weird, that he can take out people with these abilities, cause he counters them.

 

[zinescience]

that is true.

 

[uchiahjay]

What does Oro have to do with everything or Obito? You include Zetsu and Kurama at Madara his side, so Kabuto can have Oro his powers as well for these battles (vs Hashi, vs Madara). Even if he doesnt have them, than he still has loads of powers left (Oro only took back his own chakra and cancelled sage mode). Kabuto has a better body for sage mode than Orochimaru (Oro was imperfect sage).

Hashi will not stand still and just let himself get bitten, but he has to fight all battle with that danger.
Kabuto his snakes have that poison and Manda v2. no doubt as well. Kabuto is a clever guy, he will incorperate poison in numerous ways. Even if he doesnt manage to make a hit with the poison, Hashi will have to dodge it all battle and that is quite the handicap on his powers.

The tsuchikage his daughter didnt trap him low diff. If you read that chapter, Kabuto let himself be trapped on purpose and they all fell for it. He even said to Kurotsuchi (tsuchikage granddaughter), that he knew her abilities all along and recognized what was comming by the hand seals she used. Jumping out of the trap, Kabuto grabbed Yamato and took his leave.

Kabuto his Taijutsu is not his best strength, but it is actually pretty good. He was so fast, Itachi didnt see it coming and got sliced in half by the scalpels.
Tsunade, someone who is great in close combat, had trouble with Kabuto his taijutsu form.
Kabuto his taijutsu is special. It is not your average punching style, but he gets in close combat to hit you with his scalpels. Being able to use such long scalpels in battle impressed Tsunade, a Medical kunoichi genius.
It wouldnt be what he would be using often vs Hashirama though, however, Kabuto taijutsu, + sage mode + poison snakes, makes up for quite some danger in close combat.

Something that is important as well, is Kabuto his knowledge about Hashirama.
He even knew about the flower tree world. What does Hashi know about Kabuto? Nothing.

Mokuton will not be a good tool to take Kabuto out with.
So what will Hashi use instead? Bringer of darkness will not help vs a Sage like Kabuto, who does not rely on his eyes.
When Kabuto summons an Edo tensei like Itachi, Nagato, or even someone like Sasori (what is Hashi gonna do against that numbing poison?) the fight will get even more in Kabuto his favour.

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Kabuto vs Madara.

Sasuke his arrows are insanely fast and Kabuto dodged them fairly easily. Kabuto has boss speed and sensory skills.
Madara his Susanoo sword could be dodged as well, Kabuto just has to fight from range and since he has plenty range jutsus, this wouldnt weaken him much.

As listed, he has the sage sound jutsu that vibrates AND blinds. Sasuke and Itachi couldnt keep their eyes open and lost the ability to keep susanoo active. Madara is not different and wouldnt be able to take it either. Only Kabuto could, due to the fact that he could turn his body into water, like suigetsu, to take the vibration and could close his eyes with the snake eye lids to not suffer from the blinding.

Kabuto his sound genjutsu of Tayuya, can be used from great range(shown by Tayuya herself and Kabuto). This is a tool that is near impossible to dodge and you actually need a teammate to help you out (Itachi freed Sasuke, Sasuke freed Itachi).

Sasuke couldnt have killed Kabuto, even if Itachi encouraged him.
Sasuke actually did an attempt to make a hit with a susanoo arrow and Kabuto dodged this no diff.
So madara not caring about zombies, is no big deal, cause he cant kill him .

To spit even more in Madara's face , Kabuto could bring out edo's who use dojutsus. Stopping Madara from using his dojutsu with the white rage sage jutsu (blinding and vibrating sound sage jutsu) and than summoning someone like Nagato or Itachi.

Kabuto is a character, who is designed to take out Dojutsu users and Mokuton users.
So it is not weird, that he can take out people with these abilities, cause he counters them.

You do realize that neither hashi nor madara would stand still, you are judging and high ranking kabuto from just one battle, that battle kabuto looked like a boss for one simple reason, he was on the offensive, neither sasuke nor itachi wanted to kill him, lets see
Sasuke- ems and all its attributes
Itachi- ms and control of space time
So you honestly think if they wanted him dead, he wont be dead? He would have been killed in seconds.
Now im talking about hashi and madara with intent to kill, madara has the kyuubi, you still havent mentioned any counter for tbb
Hashi on the other hand was said to have control of the remaining beasts
Seriously do you think a confused *** like kabuto would even stand a chance?before he even thinks of sage mode he would be dead, plus hashi and madara are war types, experience also goes to them

 

[Meowazziel]

You do realize that neither hashi nor madara would stand still, you are judging and high ranking kabuto from just one battle, that battle kabuto looked like a boss for one simple reason, he was on the offensive, neither sasuke nor itachi wanted to kill him, lets see
Sasuke- ems and all its attributes
Itachi- ms and control of space time
So you honestly think if they wanted him dead, he wont be dead? He would have been killed in seconds.
Now im talking about hashi and madara with intent to kill, madara has the kyuubi, you still havent mentioned any counter for tbb
Hashi on the other hand was said to have control of the remaining beasts
Seriously do you think a confused *** like kabuto would even stand a chance?before he even thinks of sage mode he would be dead, plus hashi and madara are war types, experience also goes to them

Eye contact genjutsu cant work on Kabuto due to his sage mode(and he knew how to hide and activate it pretty fast) and he was to fast for their fastest attack (sasuke his susanoo arrow). How would they(itachi and sasuke) have killed him?

Sasuke would have been dead several times, if Itachi didnt save him (which he could only do due to being edo, like letting himself get hit by the spikes and protecting sasuke with his susanoo). Itachi would have been dead several times as well and almost got implanted with a tag, if it wasnt for sasuke saving him.

I dont expect Hashi and Madara to stand still btw, nor would Kabuto.

Kabuto can summon Itachi and hide behind the Yata mirror to avoid TTB or
summon Nagato with his rinnegan jutsus.

About hashirama. It wasnt said that he could use the beasts for battle and Hashirama isnt someone who uses the beast in combat. He stands for peace and even handed them out to the other villages.
Mokuton has been shown to suppress and tame, rather than force control on a beast to use it. Even Gyuki confirmed this vs the wood dragon. Hashirama will not use them for battle, so you can strip the beasts from Hashirama in this battle.

The current situation with Juubi doesnt count as mokuton control, since Rinnegan is being used for the current control as well, so its not just the mokuton. And again, Hashi wouldnt use the beasts for battle.

 

[uchiahjay]

Eye contact genjutsu cant work on Kabuto due to his sage mode(and he knew how to hide and activate it pretty fast) and he was to fast for their fastest attack (sasuke his susanoo arrow). How would they(itachi and sasuke) have killed him?

Sasuke would have been dead several times, if Itachi didnt save him (which he could only do due to being edo, like letting himself get hit by the spikes and protecting sasuke with his susanoo). Itachi would have been dead several times as well and almost got implanted with a tag, if it wasnt for sasuke saving him.

I dont expect Hashi and Madara to stand still btw, nor would Kabuto.

Kabuto can summon Itachi and hide behind the Yata mirror to avoid TTB or
summon Nagato with his rinnegan jutsus.

About hashirama. It wasnt said that he could use the beasts for battle and Hashirama isnt someone who uses the beast in combat. He stands for peace and even handed them out to the other villages.
Mokuton has been shown to suppress and tame, rather than force control on a beast to use it. Even Gyuki confirmed this vs the wood dragon. Hashirama will not use them for battle, so you can strip the beasts from Hashirama in this battle.

The current situation with Juubi doesnt count as mokuton control, since Rinnegan is being used for the current control as well, so its not just the mokuton. And again, Hashi wouldnt use the beasts for battle.

Dude nice arguments, its too bad im using a phone and not my pc, cause im itching to prove you wrong, but its way to stressful typing with this phone, but bottom line is kabuto just cant win, if itachi found a way to beat him, so would hashi and madara, plus you have to realize that sasuke and itachi were holding back in that fight, so kabuto had all the chance and space to display all he had, in an intense battle, much like itachi vs sasuke, where they did a high speed shiruken battle, an all out offensive battle, kabuto would not even think fast enough to know what trick to bring out his bag, you are taking this like a dance competition, where oponenets have the chance to display what they got, hashi or madara vs kabuto is no dance competiton, kabuto probabaly has more in his arsenal, but he would definately not get the chance to display it, infarct in all honesty i think they would win him mid diff

 

[genii96]

Kabuto beats madara and hashi at the same time with edo tensei you noob:rofl: