Kabuto and Edo Tensei.

[Zato]

Okay, people keep bringing up how Kabuto would wreck most people with Edo Tensei but they don't understand that Kabuto needs a substitute that carries Oro's chakara to even gain this power. He cannot use the Oro chakara that he carries or else he risk the Oro cells he injected within himself to overtake his body which he stated earlier in the manga. Just pay attention to what he states in these manga pages...

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Here he states that he needs to extract Oro's chakara from Anko to make the binding of the Edo Tensei stronger. He is basically saying he needs Oro's chakara to control the Edo's better so they won't turn on him or release them selves from his grasp. But remember he stated that he was using his OWN chakara to keep the Oro cells in check and from taking over his body completely.

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Here we see Kabuto stating that his control over the Edo's are much more powerful then it previously was due to the extraction of Oro's chakara from Anko.

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Here he explains why Oro's chakara from Anko was so important and how Sasori was able to release him self. He is basically saying he needs a substitute with Oro's chakara to increase his hold on Edo Tensei so that the Edo's wont release themselves from Edo Tensei and so the Edo's won't pull what Hanzou did and basically ignore commands and act on his own will.

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[Lamperouge]

i agree with you.

 

[Timiursa]

You have some points. But I guess it isnt important now since ET is over

 

[Third Sage]

Yup, +rep for the effort, but it's nothing most of the people didn't already know.

 

[Zato]

Yup, +rep for the effort, but it's nothing most of the people didn't already know.

Yeah well people are acting like Kabuto can just summon Edo's in the middle of a fight and wreck all when its not really the case.

 

[Rike Senju]

All he needs are a couple of edos to be able and beat anybody aside from tobi..he only needed oro's chakra because of the crazy amount of edos he summoned..so yes even without oro's chakra he'll still be able to fully control a couple of edos.

 

[Third Sage]

I must agree with you on that one. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Just Enjoy This Shit]

i agree...but kabuto doesnt have any of orochimaru's cells anymore sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo tha f are we talking about

 

[thenarutoking]

He will already have edos prepared so yes he can summon them in the middle of a fight and wreck people

 

[saaaaaadpanda]

Okay, people keep bringing up how Kabuto would wreck most people with Edo Tensei but they don't understand that Kabuto needs a substitute that carries Oro's chakara to even gain this power. He cannot use the Oro chakara that he carries or else he risk the Oro cells he injected within himself to overtake his body which he stated earlier in the manga. Just pay attention to what he states in these manga pages...

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The problem with your analysis is your assumptions about Kabuto's need of Oro's cells through Anko.

Yes, they helped him achieve greater power and more control over the vast hordes of edos he summoned, but does he need them for just a few powerful summons? It's debatable.

Also, you're concerned with Kabuto's ability to beat people without Anko's Oro cells, but once he's collected them, they're part of him. You may as well take the argument one step further and say that Kabuto can't beat a lot of people because he relies on the Oro's (and several other's) DNA for his abilities.

The bolded part is just wrong. He doesn't need an Oro laced substitute to perform edo tensei. He was able to before. That just increases his powers. If you're suggesting that all of the sacrificed bodies Kabuto used had Oro cells, that makes very little sense considering how many people Kabuto summoned. Their would have to be a ton of people with Oro cells, in which case he wouldn't need them from Anko. Additionally, it would be near impossible to find that many hosts that could accept Oro's DNA. Finally, he was shown summoning someone from the ROOT members without putting Oro cells in either of them.

 

[Wakoo]

pointless thread edo tensai is oveer

 

[rollin]

he still said that he doesn't know how many people he can bind still after having oro cells
because gaara's dad's soul loosened

 

[Myogen]

If Kabuto manages to summon enough of his Tensei he is very dangerous, however unless Kabuto is given time to summon the Tensei before the battle begins people forget that whoever he's fighting against will have the opportunity to prevent Kabuto from using Edo Tensei or placing the control tags in the Tensei's heads. Most people in Top Tier have the chance to prevent this depending on their knowledge of Kabuto and/or the Edo Tensei technique.

For example:

Minato - Contract seal
Hiruzen - Has whatever jutsu he was about to use to stop Orochimaru from summoning Minato before the summoning fails, since Minato was sealed in the Death God
Nagato - Fūinjutsu: Genryū Kyūfūjin
Uchiha Itachi - Genjutsu and Totsuka Sword
Onoki - can use Doton: Chōkajūgan no Jutsu on the coffins
Danzo - Genjutsu
Killer B - Fūinjutsu: Okutopasu Hōrudo
Uchiha Sasuke - Genjutsu and Black Flames
Naruto and Jiraiya - Fusaku/Shima for Genjutsu
Uchiha Shisui - Genjutsu
Uchiha Izuna - Genjutsu
Tobirama and Orochimaru - Probably know how to counter their own Jutsu
etc....

It's all a matter of knowledge.

 

[Zato]

The problem with your analysis is your assumptions about Kabuto's need of Oro's cells through Anko.

Yes, they helped him achieve greater power and more control over the vast hordes of edos he summoned, but does he need them for just a few powerful summons? It's debatable.

Also, you're concerned with Kabuto's ability to beat people without Anko's Oro cells, but once he's collected them, they're part of him. You may as well take the argument one step further and say that Kabuto can't beat a lot of people because he relies on the Oro's (and several other's) DNA for his abilities.

The bolded part is just wrong. He doesn't need an Oro laced substitute to perform edo tensei. He was able to before. That just increases his powers. If you're suggesting that all of the sacrificed bodies Kabuto used had Oro cells, that makes very little sense considering how many people Kabuto summoned. Their would have to be a ton of people with Oro cells, in which case he wouldn't need them from Anko. Additionally, it would be near impossible to find that many hosts that could accept Oro's DNA. Finally, he was shown summoning someone from the ROOT members without putting Oro cells in either of them.

The part that you made bold in my statement means that he needs Oro's chakara to make his bind stronger. He doesn't need it to perform Edo Tensei, I don't know where you got that from. All it does is make his control/hold over them much stronger in which he states in the manga. He even goes further and claim he was able to do things he couldn't before he gained that extra chakara from Anko. Basically what Oro's chakara from Anko did was make it so they would not be able to release them selves and disobey commands given to them even if they are left with their personalities.

 

[Draegod]

You are clueless, its sad how clueless you really are tho!

Just because he used anko to add to his already big chakra pool doesnt mean she was the reason edo tensei is possible.lmao

He can simply summon edo akatsuki and that would be enough.

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Then clap his hands one more time and summon EDo madara!

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THREAD HAS BEEN OWN! STop with all the hate for a cartoon character for once! GEt a life! STop having anger for a character that doesnt exist and reread the manga so you can better understand it!

 

[Honord Sage]

Most of Kabuto's power came from Orochimaru and Orochimaru has taken them back, leaving the old Kabuto a under power boy trap in a genjutsu. How pathetic Kabuto is.