Juuken vs Susanoo

[Erebus]

Some people say juuken takes out Susanoo, personally i don't think so, even if Susanoo is a manifestation of the user chakra and Juuken's purpose is to destroy chakra based substance, i believe Susanoo is too well dense to be broken by Juuken.

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PS: i didn't put a pic of Madara's PS because if i saw that shit i'd turn tail and run.

 

[Pirate King]

People that think Juuken > Susanoo are retarded

 

[Joker]

Unless the Hyuuga using it is relevant, Juuken will never, EVER, be able to touch Kishimoto's most sacred race; the Uchiha.

 

[SharinganisOP]

Please tell me how the juuken user is even going to get close enough to a sussano to perform that move, and even if they did. The sharingan would be able to track their movements and would be able to hit them with one of Sussano's moves at close range. Every Sussano has a ranged move, there is no way a byakugan user is getting that close.

Also, doesn't that technique work by shutting off the distribution of chakra to the body by shutting off chakra points? Sussano, as far as I know does not have chakra points, and if it does Sussano is an extremely strong defense so I doubt they could shut those chakra points in sussano off. If they do somehow manage to stop these chakra points in sussano (which it probably doesn't have), the user of the sussano can just ressumon it...

No way that juuken beats a sussano in virtually any situation, barring some sort of ridiculous strength increase that makes juuken able to destroy sussano with raw strength.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

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I think it has a fair enough chance to compete. Considering that it's specifically stated that Jyuuken can destroy chakra entities, and Susanoo is an entity of chakra.... there's no reason it cannot in terms of principle. Given a skilled and developed enough Jyuuken user, a Susanoo could be destroyed. Though more likely it would be more like Jyuuken destroys that specifically targeted area as opposed to just one Poke suddenly blowing up the entire thing.... then again, Neji did blow up a spider using Jyuuken ...



But will Jyuuken ever be shown breaking a Susanoo?! Not a chance. Why!? Character development.


Primary Antagonist: Madara Uchiha, Susanoo User

Primary Character: Sasuke Uchiha, Susanoo User

Side Character: Hiashi Hyuga, Jyuuken User


The only person who's shown the full extent of Jyuuken is Hiashi Hyuga, and he's a side character with less panel time than Iruka (I think). Kishimoto has been rather awful at developing the Side Characters. No other Hyuga has had any development to display this power to its fullest extent. Put simply, Kishimoto has hardly shown the fundamental workings of Jyuuken enough for anyone on Narutobase to even consider it (well... the general population of it anyways).



In theory, yes it can. However, no Jyuuken user has been shown with the scale and skill to do so other than Hiashi Hyuga. No Hyuga has shown the scale to efficiently deal with a Perfect Susanoo.

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

Susanoo is made of chakra if hit by juuken the chakra is knocked out but they need a power up to do more than poke lil holes in it.

 

[slaton02]

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I think it has a fair enough chance to compete. Considering that it's specifically stated that Jyuuken can destroy chakra entities, and Susanoo is an entity of chakra.... there's no reason it cannot in terms of principle. Given a skilled and developed enough Jyuuken user, a Susanoo could be destroyed. Though more likely it would be more like Jyuuken destroys that specifically targeted area as opposed to just one Poke suddenly blowing up the entire thing.... then again, Neji did blow up a spider using Jyuuken ...



But will Jyuuken ever be shown breaking a Susanoo?! Not a chance. Why!? Character development.


Primary Antagonist: Madara Uchiha, Susanoo User

Primary Character: Sasuke Uchiha, Susanoo User

Side Character: Hiashi Hyuga, Jyuuken User


The only person who's shown the full extent of Jyuuken is Hiashi Hyuga, and he's a side character with less panel time than Iruka (I think). Kishimoto has been rather awful at developing the Side Characters. No other Hyuga has had any development to display this power to its fullest extent. Put simply, Kishimoto has hardly shown the fundamental workings of Jyuuken enough for anyone on Narutobase to even consider it (well... the general population of it anyways).



In theory, yes it can. However, no Jyuuken user has been shown with the scale and skill to do so other than Hiashi Hyuga. No Hyuga has shown the scale to efficiently deal with a Perfect Susanoo.

This exactly

 

[VongolaX]

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I think it has a fair enough chance to compete. Considering that it's specifically stated that Jyuuken can destroy chakra entities, and Susanoo is an entity of chakra.... there's no reason it cannot in terms of principle. Given a skilled and developed enough Jyuuken user, a Susanoo could be destroyed. Though more likely it would be more like Jyuuken destroys that specifically targeted area as opposed to just one Poke suddenly blowing up the entire thing.... then again, Neji did blow up a spider using Jyuuken ...



But will Jyuuken ever be shown breaking a Susanoo?! Not a chance. Why!? Character development.


Primary Antagonist: Madara Uchiha, Susanoo User

Primary Character: Sasuke Uchiha, Susanoo User

Side Character: Hiashi Hyuga, Jyuuken User


The only person who's shown the full extent of Jyuuken is Hiashi Hyuga, and he's a side character with less panel time than Iruka (I think). Kishimoto has been rather awful at developing the Side Characters. No other Hyuga has had any development to display this power to its fullest extent. Put simply, Kishimoto has hardly shown the fundamental workings of Jyuuken enough for anyone on Narutobase to even consider it (well... the general population of it anyways).



In theory, yes it can. However, no Jyuuken user has been shown with the scale and skill to do so other than Hiashi Hyuga. No Hyuga has shown the scale to efficiently deal with a Perfect Susanoo.

Kyuubi chakra

Also Susanoo is way bigger

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Susanoo is made of chakra if hit by juuken the chakra is knocked out but they need a power up to do more than poke lil holes in it.

Technically no, all that has to be done is create an opening for the Hyuga to then enter. Which isn't too hard by manipulating Jyuuken direcly to the Susanoo piece before the Hyuga (assumed Hyuga). Applying the appropriate manipulation of Jyuuken, based on principle creating an opening to then move to engage the inside Uchiha is not the issue.

What you refer to is the character. There isn't a character other than Hiashi who would have the skill to even do this against Susanoo. Hinata and Neji lack the development to accomplish basically anything against a Susanoo. Considering his love for Uchiha, Kishi will never show a Hyuga even competing with Susanoo. Not to mention the idea of a Main Character or Antagonist having his great technique defeated by a Side character.... wouldn't happen story wise either.

Kyuubi chakra

Also Susanoo is way bigger

No Kyuubi chakra.... This was before Neji died, and thus before Naruto handed out chakra.

Also, it really isn't. It depends on the Susanoo. Look at how high Susanoo stands above the head of Madara in the above picture. Not too much of a difference between the height placed on Hiashi than that of the Madara image. Plus, look at the ones used on Sasuke and Itachi. They aren't all that much taller than the Uchiha itself. It's just wider.

Not to mention... it says approximate size and is clearly a Microsoft Pain drawing. It isn't going to look badass. It isn't going to look wide enough. But based on the above image of Madara, and compared to heights with Itachi and Sasuke.... this is a comparative regular Susanoo size.

 

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I think it has a fair enough chance to compete. Considering that it's specifically stated that Jyuuken can destroy chakra entities, and Susanoo is an entity of chakra.... there's no reason it cannot in terms of principle. Given a skilled and developed enough Jyuuken user, a Susanoo could be destroyed. Though more likely it would be more like Jyuuken destroys that specifically targeted area as opposed to just one Poke suddenly blowing up the entire thing.... then again, Neji did blow up a spider using Jyuuken ...



But will Jyuuken ever be shown breaking a Susanoo?! Not a chance. Why!? Character development.


Primary Antagonist: Madara Uchiha, Susanoo User

Primary Character: Sasuke Uchiha, Susanoo User

Side Character: Hiashi Hyuga, Jyuuken User


The only person who's shown the full extent of Jyuuken is Hiashi Hyuga, and he's a side character with less panel time than Iruka (I think). Kishimoto has been rather awful at developing the Side Characters. No other Hyuga has had any development to display this power to its fullest extent. Put simply, Kishimoto has hardly shown the fundamental workings of Jyuuken enough for anyone on Narutobase to even consider it (well... the general population of it anyways).



In theory, yes it can. However, no Jyuuken user has been shown with the scale and skill to do so other than Hiashi Hyuga. No Hyuga has shown the scale to efficiently deal with a Perfect Susanoo.

This U_U
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[Turson]

Jyuuken is based on small, precise chakra injections. Such small injection might be able to disable Tenketsu, but Susanoo? No chance, no chance at all.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I believe neji said this crap. Neji couldnt even imagine the susanoo in his darkest nightmares.
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[Champ]

If they touch Sasuke Susano'o Enton would burn them, or a Susano`o punch crush them

 

[Erebus]

I don't really think Juuken can do crap to Susanoo, while people have chakra points and whatnot, Susanoo is a big ball of chakra like the kyuubi

 

[scorezor]

my only question is... who cares? :|

 

[Smd]

People that think Juuken > Susanoo are retarded

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haters gona hate

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[KGB Kakuzu]

If they touch Sasuke Susano'o Enton would burn them, or a Susano`o punch crush them

Good thing we're comparing Jyuuken vs Susanoo under the premise of plausible cause and effect and not Hyuga vs Sasuke using Enton and Susanoo.


My point: The purpose is to compare the potential for Jyuuken to effect a Susanoo. Based on all known descriptions of how Jyuuken works and how Susanoo works, Jyuuken is theoretically capable of counteracting Susanoo.


HOWEVER, on a realistic and manga based prospective it won't.

1. No way will a side character trump one of the best moves of a main character/antagonist.

2. The only Hyuga with the skill to do it is Hiashi, but like I said... Clause # 1 dashes any hopes of us seeing it.

3. The scale required to accomplish the goal is undetermined. Hence why only Hiashi, whose shown a scaled attack that is greater than an already effective strike (Hirudora), is presumed to have this potential.


Jyuuken on description is capable of counteracting Susanoo, but it never will for reasons I've already mentioned.

I don't really think Juuken can do crap to Susanoo, while people have chakra points and whatnot, Susanoo is a big ball of chakra like the kyuubi

So here's three questions: WHY does Jyuuken stop chakra points?! Why does the injection of their close out or increase chakra flow?! Why does the use of chakra eventually return to the victim?

Because they're using their chakra as barriers or catalysts go manipulate chakra itself. Using the Tenketsu as medium points. Eventually that chakra fades returning the system to normal.

With Susanoo, it's a similar concept but instead of having to rely on specific points to be able to act on the chakra, it can be done by striking the chakra itself. It won't go and completely one shot Susanoo... That's retarded, but it can be used to forcefully create openings in the chakra. Though, due to the nature of Susanoo to exist as a singular construct, it will only part for a time.


You could compare this to Naruto splitting the waterfall. With enough force, it could open a temporary path. The time being dependant on the skill of the Jyuuken user.

 

[Madara Uzumaki Uchiha]

Yes, all it takes to destroy susanoo is enough force, so if the user is strong enough sure-
Make me the juubi jink and I could make a penny destroy susanoo.

Now, can any current juken users destroy susanoo- depends on which form, I don't see them destroying anything past the full skeleton susanoo.

 

[Naijakid]

I think the juuken solos the Susanoo mid diff