Juubi power boost ?

[The Messiah]

If someone like Hashirama was to become a juubi Jin would his body be stronger than Madara's
since he is a Senju and Senju's body > Uchiha's body or would they just be equal

 

[Holy God]

The Senju's body is a reference to their life force, stamina, and energy (like being able to use Wood Style). Hashirama's stamina and energy would increase, but not his life force. As ten-tails hosts they'd be rather equivalent in all three areas.

 

[Ricardo]

They'd be roughly the same. Hashirama being better at using his body techniques and Madara being better at using his eye techniques.

 

[ChicagoJhawk]

Damn. Wood style with biju would tank for sure. Don't know if it's better than maddy tho

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Madara's body was transplanted with senju genetics, so it'll still be the same regardless.

 

[The Messiah]

The Senju's body is a reference to their life force, stamina, and energy (like being able to use Wood Style). Hashirama's stamina and energy would increase, but not his life force. As ten-tails hosts they'd be rather equivalent in all three areas.

I get what your saying but wouldn't hashi be a tad bit better in those three areas since base hashi > base madara in those three areas

 

[The Messiah]

Madara's body was transplanted with senju genetics, so it'll still be the same regardless.

What if you take away the hashi cells he has

 

[Holy God]

I get what your saying but wouldn't hashi be a tad bit better in those three areas since base hashi > base madara in those three areas

No, because Madara has Hashirama's genetics. If anything Madara could be slightly better since combined he created genetics similar to Hagoromo, surpassing either clan separately.

 

[The Messiah]

No, because Madara has Hashirama's genetics. If anything Madara could be slightly better since combined he created genetics similar to Hagoromo, surpassing either clan separately.

How about without hashi cells

 

[Dizzldot]

MADARA never used PS while a juubi Jin which may stand to reason he lost that power in return for 6paths senjutsu instead. They'd probably be equivalent but keep their benefits of their base form. Also obito didnt awaken the RINNE so possibly eye powers are awakened for someone without them or different people awaken dojutsu upon becoming a TTJ

 

[Holy God]

How about without hashi cells

Then Hashirama would have a better life force, but that's it. Their stamina would be maximized from being immortal and their energy is dependent on their chakra, which would be from the same source (the Ten-Tails).

 

[The Messiah]

Then Hashirama would have a better life force, but that's it. Their stamina would be maximized from being immortal and their energy is dependent on their chakra, which would be from the same source (the Ten-Tails).

Ok thanks I get it

 

[Jokule67]

The Senju's body is a reference to their life force, stamina, and energy (like being able to use Wood Style). Hashirama's stamina and energy would increase, but not his life force. As ten-tails hosts they'd be rather equivalent in all three areas.

Not really. Hashirama is well above Madara in chakra, stamina and Life force. However the strength of their chakra are on oar with one another.

If Hashi was a juubi jin he would far exceed Madara in bodily proportion.

The only reason Madara was that strong in the first place was because he stole Hashi's senjutsu and had his cells.

Hashi was so strong his sealing held down the juubi while holding a barrier up. A feat Madara cannot accomplish because Hashi is the chakra monster not him.

 

[Jokule67]

Then Hashirama would have a better life force, but that's it. Their stamina would be maximized from being immortal and their energy is dependent on their chakra, which would be from the same source (the Ten-Tails).

Its stacked on to what they already have. Thats why Madara made it a necessity to get Hashi's Senjutsu BEFORE he became juubi jin.

Its also why Madara was so much stronger than Obito.

 

[Hit The Legendary Assassi]

I get what your saying but wouldn't hashi be a tad bit better in those three areas since base hashi > base madara in those three areas

That has nothing to do with it...Hashirama excels in his physical body but madara excels in ocular power, Hashirama won't be great at using ocular jutsu that is what mainly juubi jins use he will be less than Madara and the fact that madara masters ever jutsu he gets is proof of the difference, madara a got Hashirama mokuton and was using just as great and he got Hashirama sm and mastered it and even looked down on it as if it was nothing special and even went against the manga and usurp Juubito saying he couldn't use kamui despite it being his lifelong jutsu that he has had forever and madara instantly mastered and used it...Madara was the only one that could achieve god hood Hashirama won't be on madara's level as juubi jin because of the ocular skill which is what juubi jins use mostly unless Hashirama would use more tsb manipulation like Juubito was doing and that's weaker than ocular jutsu juubi jin use

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

What if you take away the hashi cells he has

Then his "body" properties would be like Kaguyas, the most unimpressive healing factor of the three jyubi jinchurrikis.
If you want to know how Hashirama would be like as a jyub jinchuuriki, then look at what Obito did that was not rinnegan related. He'll create Mokuton that can shoot out tsb or tailed beast bomb.

 

[Holy God]

Not really. Hashirama is well above Madara in chakra, stamina and Life force. However the strength of their chakra are on oar with one another.

So you're accepting that Hashirama carries Ashura's large amount of chakra but that Madara does not carry Indra's strong chakra?

If Hashi was a juubi jin he would far exceed Madara in bodily proportion.

Not if they're both hosts.

Hashi was so strong his sealing held down the juubi while holding a barrier up. A feat Madara cannot accomplish because Hashi is the chakra monster not him.

Madara being unable to use the same technique to the same extent is speculation only.

Its stacked on to what they already have. Thats why Madara made it a necessity to get Hashi's Senjutsu BEFORE he became juubi jin.

No it doesn't. Hashirama's Sage Mode was never part of the plan. It was only required so that Madara would be able to sense things and interact with the world without eyes. Their stamina never runs out due to immortality, Hashirama would have better life force because that is independent of being a host, and their energy would be equal because they're both using the same chakra. Their chakra does not mix with the Ten-Tails thus they cannot "stack".

Its also why Madara was so much stronger than Obito.

Madara was "stronger" according to Minato because he had more of the Tailed Beasts' chakra.

 

[Jokule67]

So you're accepting that Hashirama carries Ashura's large amount of chakra but that Madara does not carry Indra's strong chakra?


Not if they're both hosts.


Madara being unable to use the same technique to the same extent is speculation only.


No it doesn't. Hashirama's Sage Mode was never part of the plan. It was only required so that Madara would be able to sense things and interact with the world without eyes. Their stamina never runs out due to immortality, Hashirama would have better life force because that is independent of being a host, and their energy would be equal because they're both using the same chakra. Their chakra does not mix with the Ten-Tails thus they cannot "stack".



Madara was "stronger" according to Minato because he had more of the Tailed Beasts' chakra.

You seem to forget that Madara was brought back with Hashiramas abilities. Then he connected himself more by stealing his Senjutsu. He did this for a reason. Because he lacks what Hashirama has naturally. With both sides he is near perfect. He said this many times.

So you telling me Hagoromo who automatically has Six Paths is equal to Madara just because they both are hosts of the same beast? With this I wreck your arguement sir.

Madara got stronger from Hashirama in two very important ways.

Also if their chakra was "maxxed out" Kaguya would'nt be able to have more then than the 10 tails. Noone ever had infinite chakra.

 

[Holy God]

You seem to forget that Madara was brought back with Hashiramas abilities. Then he connected himself more by stealing his Senjutsu. He did this for a reason. Because he lacks what Hashirama has naturally. With both sides he is near perfect. He said this many times.

Yes, he did want Hashirama's genetics, and he got them. If he wanted Sage chakra he could have waited since it comes naturally with being a host. Sage Mode is not a part of the Senju's powers (specifically as he didn't know about reincarnation).

So you telling me Hagoromo who automatically has Six Paths is equal to Madara just because they both are hosts of the same beast? With this I wreck your arguement sir.

Yes, they are equal in chakra potency and stamina.

 

[Jokule67]

Yes, he did want Hashirama's genetics, and he got them. If he wanted Sage chakra he could have waited since it comes naturally with being a host. Sage Mode is not a part of the Senju's powers (specifically as he didn't know about reincarnation).


Yes, they are equal in chakra potency and stamina.

No man you are wrong. If Konohamaru was a juubi jin vs Hashi as one they are equal? No man, it dont work like that. Reread my post which has a statement on Kaguya.

They dont have unlimited chakra and they can get tired because Kaguya got tired and she has the most chakra and is the strongest. Hashiramas chakra is roughly greater than Kyuubis when not in Sage Mode. Him becoming a juubi jin would be far greater than Madara in the chakra/stamina department. Madara wanted perfection and aimed to get Hashis powers.