[Theory] Juubi jins using Kamui is not a plothole!!

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That is the 2nd best explanation I've seen so far:Obito doesn't want to destroy parts of Juubi's body.

Your explanation implies that Kakashi's eye has Obito's ability.That is not a manga fact.

Sasuke's left eye has Amaterasu , his right eye has anti-Amaterasu , manga fact.
I think that the right sharingan have the "anti-ability" of the left eye and vice-versa.

Kakashi's ability is able to teleport Gedo Mazo's arm.
Kakashi did come back from Kamui dim alone.
Madara>>>>Kakashi.

Madara created a "Kamui door" next to him with Kakashi's ability and flew in it teleporting himself (like Kakashi did) and the Juubi (like Kakashi partly did).
@ Bold.....No I showed Kakashi's example to point out that no one other than Obito can remain unharmed with parts of their body in Kamui dimension. U_U
I know that Kakashi's ability is different....but it uses the same dimension, so I used Kakashi's example to prove my point that it is not possible to phase through things with the Gedou Mazou in ur body!! U_U

It's a contradiction.

Explain!! U_U
 

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No matter how you explain it its a plot hole madara cant use susanoo and obito cant use kamui... heck the fact madara could even use kamui is a plothole considering he swapped eyes shouldnt it have just turned into an ems?
 

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Obito couldn't use Kamui when the Juubi was sealed inside him, but Madara can? That is a major contradiction and an ass pull move by Kishimoto regardless of my respect for him.
 

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The mazo is not physically inside the jinchuriki, so phaseing wouldn't hurt it.
 

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Obito couldn't use Kamui when the Juubi was sealed inside him, but Madara can? That is a major contradiction and an ass pull move by Kishimoto regardless of my respect for him.
But Obito never tried to use Kamui....he only tried to phase through objects but couldn't, since he had Gedou mazo inside him.....Did u even read what I typed bro??? :'(

The mazo is not physically inside the jinchuriki, so phaseing wouldn't hurt it.
Then how did Maddy summon it from Obito's body?? Zzz
 

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Phasing IS using kamui people trying to damage control so hard and saying oh well the juubi cant be in two dimensions at once yet . Madaras legs are FILLED with the juubis chakra yet its not in the same dimension as his torso! Obito not being able to use kamui is just an excuse so he cant solo the nv and madara using kamui is just a plot hole and a plot device to get the rinnegan
 

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But Obito never tried to use Kamui....he only tried to phase through objects but couldn't, since he had Gedou mazo inside him.....Did u even read what I typed bro??? :'(


Then how did Maddy summon it from Obito's body?? Zzz

Seriously, The gedo Mazo was Not INSIDE OBITO. It was sealed in him, and for whatever reason when madara magically sumoned it, it undid the seal and was extracted. Then it was summoned. Otherwise Kakashi wouldn't have only ripped off it's arm.

If Phasing would cause Damage to the mazo, how come nothing happened to madara when sasuke cut him in half.
 

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Phasing IS using kamui people trying to damage control so hard and saying oh well the juubi cant be in two dimensions at once yet . Madaras legs are FILLED with the juubis chakra yet its not in the same dimension as his torso! Obito not being able to use kamui is just an excuse so he cant solo the nv and madara using kamui is just a plot hole and a plot device to get the rinnegan

Pretty Much.
 
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Phasing IS using kamui people trying to damage control so hard and saying oh well the juubi cant be in two dimensions at once yet . Madaras legs are FILLED with the juubis chakra yet its not in the same dimension as his torso! Obito not being able to use kamui is just an excuse so he cant solo the nv and madara using kamui is just a plot hole and a plot device to get the rinnegan

But there must be something special About obitos phasing that made him not die when he send parts of bis body to the kamui Dimension. With the juubi inside that propbably wasnt given anymore for whatever reason.
 

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Phasing IS using kamui people trying to damage control so hard and saying oh well the juubi cant be in two dimensions at once yet . Madaras legs are FILLED with the juubis chakra yet its not in the same dimension as his torso! Obito not being able to use kamui is just an excuse so he cant solo the nv and madara using kamui is just a plot hole and a plot device to get the rinnegan

Bro...it seems like u didn't read one of my posts earlier......Madara initially planned to Kamui his full body, but when sasuke cut him in half, he may have transferred the mazo to either his lower or upper body. But it looks like u r mad at Kishi for some reason :O ...well whatever. Its fine if u want to disagree....as a theory can never be always correct.
Also Juubi chakra has nothing to do with it......Obito did use Kamui after absorbing some of the juubi's power from Madara later on, when he was trying to save Naruto!! U_U


Seriously, The gedo Mazo was Not INSIDE OBITO. It was sealed in him, and for whatever reason when madara magically sumoned it, it undid the seal and was extracted. Then it was summoned. Otherwise Kakashi wouldn't have only ripped off it's arm.

If Phasing would cause Damage to the mazo, how come nothing happened to madara when sasuke cut him in half.

Pretty Much.

@ bold- It was...........even Hinata pointed that the entire Juubi with the mazo went inside Obito. Sealing means that it went inside Obito's body.......this is Mangafact. Kakashi ripped of its arm while it was coming out of Obito's body. Reread the chapter if u want to confirm!!
But even if u want to disagree, its fine.....its ur wish!! U_U
 
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Noooooo.....I m saying that Obito could have used Kamui to teleport his entire body even after becoming Juubi jin, like Madara did. But juubi jins can't phase through things, like how Obito couldn't pass through things after becoming Juubi jin since that may damage the Gedou Mazou inside their bodies!! U_U

then why didn't he teleport his entire body like madara....! he still could have avoided a lot of attacks....!
 

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then why didn't he teleport his entire body like madara....! he still could have avoided a lot of attacks....!

Bcoz Kamui is slower than Gudoudama balls and may be even slower than the juubi jin itself .....that is why Kakashi and Obito used double Kamui together to avoid those balls and to double the speed of the Kamui against Madara. So why will he use Kamui which is slower than his other attacks.....
Obito never uses Kamui to protect himself from attacks since it is slower and can be countered through speed. If u remember, when he couldn't use his intangibility Kamui against Konan anymore (due to his five minute time limit being over over), why didn't he used Kamui instead of Izanagi to save him from explosions.....simply bcoz it is slower than those explosions!! U_U
 

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No matter how you explain it its a plot hole madara cant use susanoo and obito cant use kamui... heck the fact madara could even use kamui is a plothole considering he swapped eyes shouldnt it have just turned into an ems?

That underlined statement just means you wont listen regardless of how logical the statement is, and regardless of if it uses proper reasoning.

Its really quite simple.

Obito while the juubis jin, cannot go intangible. He could only use full kamui to go to kamuiverse. This is pretty much proven by 2 things.

1. Obito uses kamui to go to kamui land, while he has yin kurama inside him.

2. When obito made the statement, he would not have had enough time to do a full kamui to avoid a attack.


Madara may be able to use susanoo, but he uses the black balls instead, as they are superior defensively and offensively.(pretty much)


Also just because you implant a ms, does NOT mean that it will become a ems.

Only certain PAIRS of people are able to get a ems. Itachi and sasuke. Madara and izuna. etc.

If itachi implanted shuishus left eye, then he would just have shusuis MS. He would not gain a ems.


EVEN IF madara implanting obitos left eye, would become a ems, he would still be able to use kamui.


The reason madara was able to summon the gedo out of obito, and not summon kurama, was because obitos seal was weak, because he was severely weakened.




But to the OP. You did not need to post so many posts, or come up with a complexish theory. That viz page alone comfirms that obito just cant go INTANGIBLE. That he never said he couldnt warp.(good theory though. I disagree about your explanation of the jin part,(i think you are overthinking it), but I think you have a good grasp on the situation itself.)
 
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That underlined statement just means you wont listen regardless of how logical the statement is, and regardless of if it uses proper reasoning.

Its really quite simple.

Obito while the juubis jin, cannot go intangible. He could only use full kamui to go to kamuiverse. This is pretty much proven by 2 things.

1. Obito uses kamui to go to kamui land, while he has yin kurama inside him.

2. When obito made the statement, he would not have had enough time to do a full kamui to avoid a attack.


Madara may be able to use susanoo, but he uses the black balls instead, as they are superior defensively and offensively.(pretty much)


Also just because you implant a ms, does NOT mean that it will become a ems.

Only certain PAIRS of people are able to get a ems. Itachi and sasuke. Madara and izuna. etc.

If itachi implanted shuishus left eye, then he would just have shusuis MS. He would not gain a ems.


EVEN IF madara implanting obitos left eye, would become a ems, he would still be able to use kamui.


The reason madara was able to summon the gedo out of obito, and not summon kurama, was because obitos seal was weak, because he was severely weakened.




But to the OP. You did not need to post so many posts, or come up with a complexish theory. That viz page alone comfirms that obito just cant go INTANGIBLE. That he never said he couldnt warp.(good theory though. I disagree about your explanation of the jin part,(i think you are overthinking it), but I think you have a good grasp on the situation itself.)

I think they just dont want to listen.
 

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You seriously do not understand the concept of a giant statue not physically being inside a comparitively small person. Why would the Mazo be damaged if Yin Kurama was not?
 

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it was pretty obvious that it was just intangibility that doesn't work.. kamui and intangibility are 2 different things.

no need to make a TLDR thread about it.
 
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