[Theory] Juubi jins using Kamui is not a plothole!!

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

Well, this is my first thread so take it easy on me. First of all to clear the misunderstanding, it was never mentioned that Obito couldn't travel through dimensions after becoming Juubi Jinchuriki. The official viz translation states it differently....

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So Obito states that he can't pass through things.........Now the question arises why couldn't he pass through things, although passing through things and Kamui both are the same jutsu? i.e. why couldn't he transport just a part of his body when one can teleport it completely as shown by Madara after becoming Juubi jin?

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The answer is simple......
Simply because Obito's ability to transport a part of his body in Kamui dimension doesn't mean that he can do the same with others.....i.e. he can't transport just a part of someone else's body in Kamuiland......because if he does, this is what will happen...

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That is either they will be gravely injured or will die.
So if Obito uses his intangibility, then the Juubi's body (i.e. gedou mazou) will be injured or destroyed since even if it is inside Obito's Body, it is still something external .......so it doesn't have the ability to remain uninjured with part of its body being in kamui dimension (only Obito has that ability).
This may be why Obito couldn't pass through things after becoming Juubi jinchuriki. It doesn't mean that the juubi as a whole cannot be teleported to kamuiland.
Well this just my observation....it may be right or even wrong. So what do you guys think???

 

[Tobi98]

Then why couldn't Kakashi teleport the Gedo Mazou?

 

[Lyke]

This is gooooooood

 

[Apêx1]

This was already established.. It was a mistranslation, not a plot hole.

 

[chintu234]

Then why couldn't Kakashi teleport the Gedo Mazou?

He could but obito cancelled kakashi's kamui by countering with his own kamui.
And he did teleport gedo mazou's arm.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

But the Juubi isn't technically inside, him, it is sealed in him, and not physically inside him. Anyway, why wouldn't that affect Madara?

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

Then why couldn't Kakashi teleport the Gedo Mazou?

Bcoz he didn't have enough chakra.......also Gedou mazou is very sturdy.....So initially he was not able to Kamui its head but later on after receiving Kurama's chakra he was able to rip Mazou's arm to Kamui. Gedou's sturdiness may be one of the reasons why Obito couldn't phase through things even though he wished too!!

This was already established.. It was a mistranslation, not a plot hole.

I know, but I was trying to explain why Obito couldn't phase through things!!

This is gooooooood

Thanks!!

But the Juubi isn't technically inside, him, it is sealed in him, and not physically inside him. Anyway, why wouldn't that affect Madara?

Juubi's body always remain inside the jinchuriki....that is why Madara had to summon Gedou from Obito's body!!

 

[the last shinobi]

The real reason i believe that madara could got kamui and Obito couldn't is because obito had the sage's weapons inside of him. When madara became the jin he said that his body was heavy and spit them thus allowing him to travel to kamui. madara has 8 1/2 beast inside of him while obito had 7 plus what was inside of the of tools

 

[xboxfan65]

Wait I thought it had something to do with the ten tails not being able to exist in 2 dimensions at a time. That's why just recently I think Madara was cut in half and then all the juubi chakra went to his top half so that the entire thing could be in the other dimension with him. I guess this can kinda coincide with your explanation though.

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

Yup I too think Madara transported the whole Juubi to his upper body before using Kamui......but initially he planned on teleporting his whole body to Kamui, so there must be an explaination.
And we already know that the Juubi itself is willing to help Madara!!

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Juubi's body always remain inside the jinchuriki....that is why Madara had to summon Gedou from Obito's body!!

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The Juubi was not Physically inside of Obito, and if that was how it worked, He wouldn't have been able to warp while he was temporarily the Jinchuriki of Yin Kurama

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Yup I too think Madara transported the whole Juubi to his upper body before using Kamui......but initially he planned on teleporting his whole body to Kamui, so there must be an explaination.
And we already know that the Juubi itself is willing to help Madara!!

I'm going with the idea that it's Kaguya who stopped Obito from warping. When in doubt, Blame the woman.

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

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The Juubi was not Physically inside of Obito, and if that was how it worked, He wouldn't have been able to warp while he was temporarily the Jinchuriki of Yin Kurama

Madara didn't summoned Juubi since it was already extracted when Naruto pulled those Bijuus, but the Gedou Mazou and we know that he was able to Summon the Mazou from the moon, even though it was sealed there......seems like the original Rinnegan (not fake) can summon the mazou from anywhere even if it is sealed....so Maddy's attempt to summon Kyuubi and failing in that is not a plothole!!
And gedou mazou was always present inside Obito....till the end!!

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Madara didn't summoned Juubi since it was already extracted when Naruto pulled those Bijuus, but the Gedou Mazou and we know that he was able to Summon the Mazou from the moon, even though it was sealed there......seems like the original Rinnegan (not fake) can summon the mazou from anywhere even if it is sealed....so Maddy's attempt to summon Kyuubi and failing in that is not a plothole!!
And gedou mazou was always present inside Obito....till the end!!

The Mazo was not sealed in the moon, it was chibaku tensei'd into the core of the moon. For all intents and purposes, sealed, but not physically out of range for a summoning Jutsu. If the mazo sealed in Obito can be summoned, why can't the Kyuubi sealed in Naruto be summoned?

 

[Meowazziel]

The Mazo was not sealed in the moon, it was chibaku tensei'd into the core of the moon. For all intents and purposes, sealed, but not physically out of range for a summoning Jutsu. If the mazo sealed in Obito can be summoned, why can't the Kyuubi sealed in Naruto be summoned?

|The mazo sealed in Obito wasnt imprisoned. There was no cage.
Kurama was in a cage in Naruto, when Madara tryed to summon it.
Next to this, the Gedo mazo is a shell and Kurama is an actual bijou.

 

[Waindo]

Thx for clearing this up! + rep for ya!

 

[Oblivionx]

you are saying obito can only teleport parts of his body but the issue is he could have teleported his entire body like madara did...! he has shown feat of teleporting his entire body but still couldn't do it after becoming jubi's jin while madara did....!

 

[davidou]

That is the 2nd best explanation I've seen so far:Obito doesn't want to destroy parts of Juubi's body.

Your explanation implies that Kakashi's eye has Obito's ability.That is not a manga fact.

Sasuke's left eye has Amaterasu , his right eye has anti-Amaterasu , manga fact.
I think that the right sharingan have the "anti-ability" of the left eye and vice-versa.

Kakashi's ability is able to teleport Gedo Mazo's arm.
Kakashi did come back from Kamui dim alone.
Madara>>>>Kakashi.

Madara created a "Kamui door" next to him with Kakashi's ability and flew in it teleporting himself (like Kakashi did) and the Juubi (like Kakashi partly did).

 

[JStar King]

It's a contradiction.

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

you are saying obito can only teleport parts of his body but the issue is he could have teleported his entire body like madara did...! he has shown feat of teleporting his entire body but still couldn't do it after becoming jubi's jin while madara did....!

Noooooo.....I m saying that Obito could have used Kamui to teleport his entire body even after becoming Juubi jin, like Madara did. But juubi jins can't phase through things, like how Obito couldn't pass through things after becoming Juubi jin since that may damage the Gedou Mazou inside their bodies!! U_U