[Theory] Juubi Jin using Kamui

[Massifier]

I have a theory as to why Juubi Jin Madara can use Kamui while Juubi Jin Obito could not.

Reason being, Madara is simply stronger than Obito. Gasp, shock right?

I mean really, Madara is considered a GOD among shinobi(before he was even a Juubi Jin)-- solo'd the 5 kage and the ninja alliance with ease, comparing him to a cry-baby pedophile obsessed with his childhood crush is just nonsensical.

I'd understand people being pissed off if Obito pulled kamui out of his ass at the last minute while he was still the jin, but he didn't, and was defeated. This is no longer Obito they're dealing with, it's Madara.

Even Minato sensed that his jin chakra was stronger than that of Obito's. Speaking of Minato, did he blow up and die or what? Oh well, R.I.P.

Edit:
I just recalled something. Remember when Obito first became the Juubi Jin? He was like a failed experiment, tumbling over himself and expanding-- he had a lot of difficulty controlling its power.

On the other hand, Madara had perfect control from the start.

Just putting that out there.

Another Edit:

Some analogies:

Minato, the creator of the rasengan was unable to add an element to the rasengan.
Naruto seems to be adding a range of elements including wind, lava and magnet.

Itachi could summon Amaterasu but couldn't manipulate them the way Sasuke can.

Obito couldn't use Kamui while Jining the Juubi, Madara can.

A better analogy:

Initially, Naruto could not mold sage chakra while using Kurama's power. But now, since Naruto has tamed Kurama (befriended him), he can mold sage chakra, and at an even faster pace than before.

Obito probably didn't fully tame the Juubi like Madara has, not to mention Madara is a shinobi god.

 

[Namikun]

Doesn't make sense at all.

Juubi Jin Obito > Juubi Jin Madara

 

[-Spoiler-]

Plot device to get the other Rinnegan its as simple as that.

 

[-immortal-]

Doesn't make sense at all.

Juubi Jin Obito > Juubi Jin Madara

This is not true, you know well Jùbi madara > jùbito

 

[Swaggersaurus Rex]

I have a theory as to why Juubi Jin Madara can use Kamui while Juubi Jin Obito could not.

Reason being, Madara is simply stronger than Obito. Gasp, shock right?

I mean really, Madara is considered a GOD among shinobi(before he was even a Juubi Jin)-- solo'd the 5 kage and the ninja alliance with ease, comparing him to a cry-baby pedophile obsessed with his childhood crush is just nonsensical.

I'd understand people being pissed off if Obito pulled kamui out of his ass at the last minute while he was still the jin, but he didn't, and was defeated. This is no longer Obito they're dealing with, it's Madara.

Even Minato sensed that his jin chakra was stronger than that of Obito's. Speaking of Minato, did he blow up and die or what? Oh well, R.I.P.

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Stopped reading in bold; after reading your explanation as to why Madara was able to carry the Juubi to Obito's KD. Your explanation is weak. The real reason that he did that is because Kishi Got Lazy, and Madara has major HAX.

Madara shouldn't even be able to transplant eyes that fast let alone use their abilities in the same second.

I think Kishi got way too Lazy.
I mean, he could of drew Obito coming out of the Kamui world with little chakra and asking Sakura to destroy the eye, and then having Madara run up to try and steal it.

But no, he had to make an Asspull and have Madara go against all Logic (yet again) and Kamui himself by force.​

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Madara became Perfect Jinchuriki it seems.

 

[Wparker6804]

Doesn't make sense at all.

Juubi Jin Obito > Juubi Jin Madara

Honestly, if Obito could have kept Kamui while being the almost-juubi-jinkuriki, the alliance never would have won.

Heck, if Obito had both of his Mangekyo Sharingan he'd be SOOOOO much more lethal.

As for Madara using it? He's a troll. Noteven a badass anymore--just a troll. He's getting on my nerves more than Sasuke ever did (I am NOT a Sasuke basher, he just got on my nerves for a while).

 

[bluvkilla]

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Stopped reading in bold; after reading your explanation as to why Madara was able to carry the Juubi to Obito's KD. Your explanation is weak. The real reason that he did that is because Kishi Got Lazy, and Madara has major HAX.

Madara shouldn't even be able to transplant eyes that fast let alone use their abilities in the same second.

I think Kishi got way too Lazy.
I mean, he could of drew Obito coming out of the Kamui world with little chakra and asking Sakura to destroy the eye, and then having Madara run up to try and steal it.

But no, he had to make an Asspull and have Madara go against all Logic (yet again) and Kamui himself by force.​

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love that siq

 

[nak]

Hes also the reincarnation of Indra++power

 

[Wparker6804]

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Stopped reading in bold; after reading your explanation as to why Madara was able to carry the Juubi to Obito's KD. Your explanation is weak. The real reason that he did that is because Kishi Got Lazy, and Madara has major HAX.

Madara shouldn't even be able to transplant eyes that fast let alone use their abilities in the same second.

I think Kishi got way too Lazy.
I mean, he could of drew Obito coming out of the Kamui world with little chakra and asking Sakura to destroy the eye, and then having Madara run up to try and steal it.

But no, he had to make an Asspull and have Madara go against all Logic (yet again) and Kamui himself by force.​

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I know, right? SOOO many asspulls and illogic nonsense from Madara. I mean, sucking the tailed beasts back in as soon as they were freed--making that achievement moot and useless. Using Susano'o without having eyes--BULLCRAP. Instant transplants with no recovery or delay. AND using Kamui, wich:

A) Obito had MOST of the ten-tailed beast inside of him and couldn't use it, leading to...
B) Madara had even MORE of the ten-tailed beast inside of him and used it just fine, which...
c) He used it instantly--a jutsu he's never used and has no familiarity with--as if it's as natural as breathing.

TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL!!! I AM SICK OF MADARA!!! ALL SASUKE/KABUTO/EVERYONE ELSE HATRED I HAVE IS NOW DIRECTED TO MADARA!!!

 

[NaruSasuRival]

I have a theory as to why Juubi Jin Madara can use Kamui while Juubi Jin Obito could not.

Reason being, Madara is simply stronger than Obito. Gasp, shock right?

I mean really, Madara is considered a GOD among shinobi(before he was even a Juubi Jin)-- solo'd the 5 kage and the ninja alliance with ease, comparing him to a cry-baby pedophile obsessed with his childhood crush is just nonsensical.

I'd understand people being pissed off if Obito pulled kamui out of his ass at the last minute while he was still the jin, but he didn't, and was defeated. This is no longer Obito they're dealing with, it's Madara.

Even Minato sensed that his jin chakra was stronger than that of Obito's. Speaking of Minato, did he blow up and die or what? Oh well, R.I.P.

Edit:
I just recalled something. Remember when Obito first became the Juubi Jin? He was like a failed experiment, tumbling over himself and expanding-- he had a lot of difficulty controlling its power.

On the other hand, Madara had perfect control from the start.

Just putting that out there.

I don't know why chapter 674 was so difficult for the fanbase to understand. So I will show you why Madara was able to use Kamui.

Using Limbo, Madara can split in two different persons: (1) one in the invisble world, and (2) the other in the real world. Now, just like Juubito, it appears that the other madara in Limbo cannot be harmed by any physical attack that does not contain Senjutsu. This alone say that the other Madara in Limbo act exactly like Juubito.

Next, it is important to see that only the real madara went in the Kamui dimension. To see that, you have to follow how Naruto is actually faster than anyone in knowing what going around.

(a) Naruto detected that Madara moved and left his Limbo behind

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(b) Here Naruto is bossing Sasuke around asking him to follow the real Madara and leave the shadow to him

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As you can see, the Limbo Madara is the one who currently has Juubi, and he did not go to the Kamui dimension. Thus, the Juubi the logic of Juubiruki not using Kamui is still valid.

 

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Madara became Perfect Jinchuriki it seems.

Nope no perfect jins are stronger way stronger look a KCM and BM

 

[Heruvim]

I know, right? SOOO many asspulls and illogic nonsense from Madara. I mean, sucking the tailed beasts back in as soon as they were freed--making that achievement moot and useless. Using Susano'o without having eyes--BULLCRAP. Instant transplants with no recovery or delay. AND using Kamui, wich:

A) Obito had MOST of the ten-tailed beast inside of him and couldn't use it, leading to...
B) Madara had even MORE of the ten-tailed beast inside of him and used it just fine, which...
c) He used it instantly--a jutsu he's never used and has no familiarity with--as if it's as natural as breathing.

TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL!!! I AM SICK OF MADARA!!! ALL SASUKE/KABUTO/EVERYONE ELSE HATRED I HAVE IS NOW DIRECTED TO MADARA!!!

Your jimmies have been rustled

Lord Madara is a God, of course he can master anything in a matter of seconds.

SM Madara with one rinnegan (no juubi) > Juubito.

 

[Massifier]

Your jimmies have been rustled

Lord Madara is a God, of course he can master anything in a matter of seconds.

SM Madara with one rinnegan (no juubi) > Juubito.

^This.

I don't see why some people find it hard to understand that Madara is just on another level. Comparing him to Obito of all people...what.

 

[giostep]

Well what happen was at the last moment kishi was like "dam if I make sakura destroy the eye in the alternative dimension how will she get out?", "I know lets have madara go to them so that obito will come back to the real world"

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

Your jimmies have been rustled

Lord Madara is a God, of course he can master anything in a matter of seconds.

SM Madara with one rinnegan (no juubi) > Juubito.

You are right, sm madara with one eye is stronger then juubito

 

[xXVergiliusXx]

Didn't read anything but here's my take on what could have happened:

Madara without any doubt is stronger than juubito, and he recently got a huge power up( He absorbed the tree) and that could have given him enough chakra to transport him and the juubi without any problems

 

[SayWhat21]

the reason why madara controlled the jubi better was of hashiramas sagemode and obito with will power like a BOSS

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Because Kaguya wasn't trying to stop Madara. Somehow she became part of the Juubi, and disagree'd with Obito's ideals or something, so she tried to stop him, first by taking him over directly and then just by stopping him from warping. When Obito got rid of Kaguya by summoning the shinju, he didn't know he could warp again.

Since both Kaguya and Madara want Power, Kaguya wouldn't try and stop him getting the other rinnegan. That's also the reason the mindless juubi tried to take over Obito, but not Madara. Even if it was just the Madara is stronger excuse, you would expect a few seconds of stuggle.

 

[flyboyissac]

Is people ignoring facts that the juubi was in obito dimension he didnt absorb the juubi correctly