[Discussion] Juubi Formula and Rikuduo Bloodline theory needs revision

[Mr Hiru]

The Juubi formula was something I never believed, because there is no way someone could be strong enough to solo the Ten-Tails without a Rinnegan. No way. Finally Kishi answered the most controversial theory on NB.


Two points for my case of it being broken.

1) Only Madara and Obito both could use the transferring justu for the juubi.
2) Naruto recognizes the similarity between the 7th path and the jinchuuriki jutsu and he's no genius.


Here it is:
Uzumaki (Rikudou Sennin) + Juubi = Senju (Mokuton/Yang) and Uchiha (Sharingan/Yin)

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Now I am not saying the Rikuduo is not an Uzumaki but he did have the rinnegan before fighting the ten-tails. I know someone will say Juubito is not complete so you cannot prove it. However, I really do not care argue if you want.

Here are the scans from today that proves aborbing the Ten-tails is a Rinnegan tech:

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Now my questions, How does this revulation impact the bloodline of the sage? And How could Nagato posess the rinnegan without having Uchiha DNA? Sir Derp lol

a) Proof please?
b) Naruto didn't recognize similarity, he recognize that these jutsus were different. Naruto saw quietly the Nagato's Rinne Tensei, and now Naruto saw a slow-motion Obito making seals (because he was being controlled). Naruto doesn't have as much long-term intel as Sasuke or Sakura, but he isn't a dumb... now I'll put you counter-points that could explain all of this:

- Naruto's current Intel has some logic... Naruto has the Yin (Mind) of the beasts inside while Obito has the Yang (Body). It was obvious that Naruto could get some improvements in that aspect, and that Obito's mind wouldn't be enough to hold the Juubi. Plus, Naruto has the Yang of Kurama, so he could sense the beasts getting inside Obito, easily.
- This re-evaluation of the bloodline doesn't have any impact, because you don't have proof of the Rinnegan being awakened before the Sage becoming Jinchuuriki. Your theory could be broken if Kishimoto awakens the Rinnegan in Naruto after getting Hachibi's chakra.
- Sir Derp Obito's theory is based on the Sage being an Uzumaki (as Nagato). So Nagato HAS the bloodline of the ancestors of the Uchiha (talking from the viewpoint of this theory).

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Come on, now the elder son had the sharingan also? but only after he started hating his brother? Just admit that the sage had the damn rinnegan before he became the juubis jin. Both of obitos eyes should be rinnegan now, doesn't mean anything that he had a sharingan in one, it should have became a rinnegan after he absorbed the juubi. Rinnegan is a higher power, sharingan is a lower evolved form of it, it should have evolved into a rinnegan. This unsealed and sealed stuff has never been said anywhere, you just came up with it because you refuse to believe the sage could possibly have the rinnegan before he absorbed the juubi. I don't know why that is such an unbelievable thing to believe. What is more unbelievable is the sage beating the juubi, in its complete form btw, WITHOUT the rinnegan. This chapter just proves he had it beforehand. As I said before, the elder son not having a complete rinnegan already proves that, since if the sage got the rinnegan after he absorbed juubi, his son should have the same eyes, since the juubis influence would have already effected the sages eyes into the rinnegan and his son should have had the same thing. But if he had it before juubi, then it is more reasonable for his son to not have the eyes he did, because the juubis influence would have changed the sages rinnegan into something different in his son. Juubis influence would have changed the sages rinnegan into something different in his son. And the sage using creation of all things is not a good argument, it has never been implied anywhere anyway. and even if he did, why wouldn't the sage make his son have a rinnegan instead of a lesser version of it.

It was implied:

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One God (Jūbi) was divided into Yin (Elder Son) and Yang (Younger Son)

You are incorrect because the Elder and Younger Sons are the separated Yin(Uchiha) and Yang(Senju) of the Jūbi, created with Banbutsu Sōzō like the Bijūs. He separated them much like the Jūbi's chakra which became the Nine Bijūs because Rikudou wanted them to work together, the theme is working together. that is what Rikūdo meant referring to "what true power is"

 

[boshans]

It was implied:

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One God (Jūbi) was divided into Yin (Elder Son) and Yang (Younger Son)

You are incorrect because the Elder and Younger Sons are the separated Yin(Uchiha) and Yang(Senju) of the Jūbi, created with Banbutsu Sōzō like the Bijūs. He separated them much like the Jūbi's chakra which became the Nineiūs because Rikudou wanted them to work together, the theme is working together. that is what Rikūdo meant referring to "what true power is"

The correct translation of that line is "one god, seeking stability, split into light and shadow". That implies that the one god split himself into light and Shadow.in the version you posted, it implies that the one god was split by another person, most likely the sage. It changes the meaning completely.

You can't say that that line means the sage used creation of all things to make his sons, because the official translation changes the meaning. Even so, even with the one you posted, that doesn't mean it's about the sage creating his sons.

 

[Mr Hiru]

The correct translation of that line is "one god, seeking stability, split into light and shadow". That implies that the one god split himself into light and Shadow.in the version you posted, it implies that the one god was split by another person, most likely the sage. It changes the meaning completely.

You can't say that that line means the sage used creation of all things to make his sons, because the official translation changes the meaning. Even so, even with the one you posted, that doesn't mean it's about the sage creating his sons.

Furthermore, I made the theory of these words making reference to the Yin and Yang of the Juubi. Yin = Nine Tailed Beasts, Yang = Gedou Mazou.

 

[Draxus]

I really don't see how OP thinks what Naruto says relates the sealing jutsu to Rinne Tensai.

However I always assumed So6P had the Rinnegan before he fought the Juubi. I also don't think he's an Uzumaki, but that's a whole other thing.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

The correct translation of that line is "one god, seeking stability, split into light and shadow". That implies that the one god split himself into light and Shadow.in the version you posted, it implies that the one god was split by another person, most likely the sage. It changes the meaning completely.

You can't say that that line means the sage used creation of all things to make his sons, because the official translation changes the meaning. Even so, even with the one you posted, that doesn't mean it's about the sage creating his sons.

Of course it meant the creation of the Elder and Younger Sons, you're merely arguing semantics, even if the "God" referred to in the text is either Rikūdo (as the Jūbi's Jin) or the Jūbi itself, the point is he/it was split in two, light and shadow, yin and yang, you are forgetting that the Bijūs are but one example of creations made from Banbutsu Sōzō

The Elder and Younger Sons were also created with the same technique, that is why their powers are so evenly divided, because their conception was not biological but mystical

 

[Honord Sage]

Obito and Madara are not pure of hearth this I be alive is why Obito attempt to control the Juubi failed adding Darkness of ones soul and mind to Darkness of the Juubi is like a river getting swallowed by the ocean. Naruto is the light that dispels the Darkness and brings the new day to come. Only the pure hearth and Mind of Naruto can change the Darkness into light to show the true path of power and unity.