[VS] Juubi arc Neji Hyuuga vs Danzo battle MS Sasuke Uchiha [Read before posting !]

KCMNaruto · Dec 14, 2014

KidGamer65 said:
Yup.

Lol. Kakashi couldn't physically react, so Neji isn't either as Neji is not faster than Kakashi. That includes spinning. If you can't physically react to something, obviously you can't spin around before it hits.

But wouldn't just being to move your body to spin while at the same time you stay in same place be faster then taking few step in of the directions.

I mean:

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^^ just take look how close the Kidomaru weapons from gold material were when Neji didn't even begin spining, and yet:

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^^ It seems it is enough to just barerly move you feet in backwards direction for spining to begin even if it was it is not full power yet.

However Kakashi had no such way, that why he considered dodge impossible as would have to at least put two or even three step aside, which take much more time then just begin to spin your body, don't you think ?

neosmith500 said:
Since it seems neji has access to vacuum wall palm in this battle, that alone will shit on V4 since:
-The moment his chakra builds up for susano an its activated, neji seein this an bein the genius he is would logically blast the "Chakra construct' with wall palm ( jyuken chakra ) which will pinpoint the most vulnerable area which if it doesn't destroy it with the initial blast would surely destroy it with the violent shockwave push sendin the damaged susano into the bridge while sasuke cries in agony from cell pain an loses his light.
All other versions of susano are handled with more ease.

I am not sure about v4 Final Susanoo... actually it may be possible but it would take more then just one air palm wall, maybe double air palm wall would have chance crack it.

BenjerminGaye said:
@KCMNaruto u showed me a scan of a wood spike getting through his rotation. Susanno arrow> woods spike.

only because he was concerned that there is too many, it means if Sasuke is able to repliacate that by shooting as many arrows as wood spikes then yes, but I doubt it is possible as each arrow may takes quite a big of chakra.

Radice said:
What?
Sasuke went blind because of his previous fight with Danzo. Sasuke basically used Susanoo the entire fight to counter Danzo's izanagi.

Sasuke was Half Dead when he used V4 Susanoo against Kakashi.
It's still a great for Sasuke he still can use susano'o and evolve to V4 in this state.

We are talking about 100% healthy MS Sasuke.
100% MS Sasuke can support and use this Susanoo much more time.

True, but:

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^^ now just imagine how much of pain it may be to keep using this form of Susanoo.

I would give me 2 minutes at the most if he was healthy and at full chakra, it is not because he would lost so much chakra that fast, but the cells pain combined with eye strain would be more then enough to force him degrade Susanoo.

Actually the bad side effect of use MS is the base condition why I even debate Neji could win.

If it was same MS Sasuke but with OUT cells pain and eye strain then Neji would have maybe 20 % chance.

neosmith500 · Dec 14, 2014

KidGamer65 said:
Yup.

Lol. Kakashi couldn't physically react, so Neji isn't either as Neji is not faster than Kakashi. That includes spinning. If you can't physically react to something, obviously you can't spin around before it hits.

U are a debater i respect very much because ur points are valid an are well thought out, but tell me why neji with his byakugan cant see the build up for susano plus the arrow bein pulled back an ready to fire to which he can create a chakra bubble which will deflect the incoming arrow causing it to change course an give neji the means to avoid the arrow similarly to old man danzo?, are u sayin he fires the arrow before neji can simply expel chakra from his tenketsu or that the arrow would just ignore the bubble an maintain its original course?

Dont flame me for this but in terms of feats kido's arrows are faster an stronger than sasuke's.

Selan · Dec 14, 2014

KCMNaruto said:
sure want something else , here I go:

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^^ Here Neji along with Hiashi reflect Juubi's hand backwards, note that size of both rotation are about the same.

and here:

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^^ here Neji block and blast all Wood release sharp projectiles, sure you wouldn't risk and call Wood release fodder technique, the only something about Neji complain is "being too many of them".

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^^ Here Neji along with Hiashi reflect Juubi's hand backwards, note that size of both rotation are about the same.

and here:

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^^ here Neji block and blast all Wood release sharp projectiles, sure you wouldn't risk and call Wood release fodder technique, the only something about Neji complain is "being too many of them".

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^^ Here Neji along with Hiashi reflect Juubi's hand backwards, note that size of both rotation are about the same.

and here:

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^^ here Neji block and blast all Wood release sharp projectiles, sure you wouldn't risk and call Wood release fodder technique, the only something about Neji complain is "being too many of them".

It was back then until he got last appearance in the Juubi arc before dying. Clearly it was not much impressive but netiher is MS Sasuke who is still wanked but in the past was TOO overwanked, but Danzo could kill him if he not only play around.

You guys all forgot pain of cells while using Susanoo and also eye strain, the vision will only get worse why Hyuuga stay same. Also the amount of chakra Uchiha use to keep Susanoo going is much bigger then what Hyuuga does for air plam wall, as proved with Hiashi who was not even winded after attack U_U

Also about the fodder web used by Kidomaru:

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^^ Sasuke even needed Enton Kagatsuchi blade used by Full skeleton Susanoo so v2, so much for fodder ability, note: it was EMS Sasuke U_U

So what? Are you trying to argue that the Juubi's Mokuton is faster than Susanoo arrows? Because Kakashi in a no knowledge situation couldn't dodge the Susanoo arrows physically but had to resort to defend with Kamui (I believe that with knowledge on their speed he could dodge them physically), while in a no knowledge situation he could dance between the Mokuton spikes like they weren't moving at all, he could even to go save Sakura. Not to mention that Kakashi is a lot faster than Neji and with far better reflexes.

A Susanoo arrow impales Neji without any trouble. At best he mentally reacts but the instant he tries to think what to do he is already pierced. Not that he has something to stop them even if he could react better, only Hakkesho Kaiten (the Rotation) would have sufficed but it's too slow obviously.

Unorthodox · Dec 14, 2014

Sasuke stomps looks like your taking your fanboyism to the next level

KCMNaruto · Dec 14, 2014

neosmith500 said:
U are a debater i respect very much because ur points are valid an are well thought out, but tell me why neji with his byakugan cant see the build up for susano plus the arrow bein pulled back an ready to fire to which he can create a chakra bubble which will deflect the incoming arrow causing it to change course an give neji the means to avoid the arrow similarly to old man danzo?, are u sayin he fires the arrow before neji can simply expel chakra from his tenketsu or that the arrow would just ignore the bubble an maintain its original course?

Dont flame me for this but in terms of feats kido's arrows are faster an stronger than sasuke's.

Well of course Neji can, I mean I wasn't even considering possibility of prevention/anticipation. I was talking that Neji would have nigh-impossible time to fight ALREADY UNLEASHED v4 Susanoo.

However now you mention it, well yeah it clearly possibility that if Neji took precautions and attacked while Susanoo was formed or ascending which takes a bit time by the way then yes it would work.

The only problem would be speed, but it debatable it is such shame Neji has no speed feats in part 2, because if he has then I would actually really debate that Neji can win even with not need of speed equalized or considered about same level.

also such shame air palm was only used against:

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^^ dead body/sacrifice, and main property of air palm jutsu is:

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^^harming enemy by forcing such high-speed thrust to enemy's vital point cause terrible internal damage. It also contain aspects of Gentle fist so it could be able to potential destroy chakra even if a bit of at smaller scale.

Too bad Kishi only allowed Hyuuga to use it against Sacrifice body, Edo Tensei, Zetsu and Juubi..., isn't it strange that it was never used against living body ?

Selan said:
So what? Are you trying to argue that the Juubi's Mokuton is faster than Susanoo arrows? Because Kakashi in a no knowledge situation couldn't dodge the Susanoo arrows physically but had to resort to defend with Kamui (I believe that with knowledge on their speed he could dodge them physically), while in a no knowledge situation he could dance between the Mokuton spikes like they weren't moving at all, he could even to go save Sakura. Not to mention that Kakashi is a lot faster than Neji and with far better reflexes.

A Susanoo arrow impales Neji without any trouble. At best he mentally reacts but the instant he tries to think what to do he is already pierced. Not that he has something to stop them even if he could react better, only Hakkesho Kaiten (the Rotation) would have sufficed but it's too slow obviously.

But wouldn't just being to move your body to spin while at the same time you stay in same place be faster then taking few step in of the directions.

I mean:

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^^ just take look how close the Kidomaru weapons from gold material were when Neji didn't even begin spining, and yet:

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^^ It seems it is enough to just barerly move you feet in backwards direction for spining to begin even if it was it is not full power yet.

However Kakashi had no such way, that why he considered dodge impossible as would have to at least put two or even three step aside, which take much more time then just begin to spin your body, don't you think ?

Almighty Unorthodox said:
Sasuke stomps looks like your taking your fanboyism to the next level

Yeah I am fanboying with manga feats and a bit speculation taking in consideration manga panels/feats while you simply laugh at me, stating blankly "Sasuke stomps", taking about fanboysim Lol, you are too funny

Radice · Dec 14, 2014

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Not Even Gaara + kankuro + Darui + Temari
2 High Jounins + 1 Kage + Future Raikage

Could not break Sasuke skeleton Susanoo

What's the chance of Neji alone against V3 or final Susano'o?

It's joke...

neosmith500 · Dec 14, 2014

KCMNaruto said:
I am not sure about v4 Final Susanoo... actually it may be possible but it would take more then just one air palm wall, maybe double air palm wall would have chance crack it

It seems u dont fully understand the way jyuken works, it wont crack the susano as thats not how jyuken operates, the violent blast of jyuken chakra would malfunction the pinpointed area by plowing the violent blast of chakra destroyin jyuken into the susano with enough force to sky rocket any version of MS susano givin it ample physical damage as well.

Also if ur sayin sasuke could at best maintain v4 for 3/2 minutes then getting pushed away by wall palm would surely burn out that limit, not to mention destroyin the v4 an givin sasuke additional damage.

Haizaki · Dec 14, 2014

neosmith500 said:
Dont flame me for this but in terms of feats kido's arrows are faster an stronger than sasuke's.

Not a chance Lol.

BenjerminGaye · Dec 14, 2014

KCMNaruto said:
But wouldn't just being to move your body to spin while at the same time you stay in same place be faster then taking few step in of the directions.

I mean:

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^^ just take look how close the Kidomaru weapons from gold material were when Neji didn't even begin spining, and yet:

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^^ It seems it is enough to just barerly move you feet in backwards direction for spining to begin even if it was it is not full power yet.

However Kakashi had no such way, that why he considered dodge impossible as would have to at least put two or even three step aside, which take much more time then just begin to spin your body, don't you think ?

I am not sure about v4 Final Susanoo... actually it may be possible but it would take more then just one air palm wall, maybe double air palm wall would have chance crack it.

only because he was concerned that there is too many, it means if Sasuke is able to repliacate that by shooting as many arrows as wood spikes then yes, but I doubt it is possible as each arrow may takes quite a big of chakra.

True, but:

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^^ now just imagine how much of pain it may be to keep using this form of Susanoo.

I would give me 2 minutes at the most if he was healthy and at full chakra, it is not because he would lost so much chakra that fast, but the cells pain combined with eye strain would be more then enough to force him degrade Susanoo.

Actually the bad side effect of use MS is the base condition why I even debate Neji could win.

If it was same MS Sasuke but with OUT cells pain and eye strain then Neji would have maybe 20 % chance.

The number is irrelevant. If a wood spike breeched his rotation and ripped his headband, then sasuke's arrow is tearing his head off.

KCMNaruto · Dec 14, 2014

Radice said:
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Not Even Gaara + kankuro + Darui + Temari
2 High Jounins + 1 Kage + Future Raikage

Could not break Sasuke skeletal Susanoo

What's the chance of Neji alone against V3 or final Susano'o?

It's joke...

sure but the can not destroy the chakra but inserting their chakra into chakra construction using Gentle fist.

The only problem would be get close enough.

Also even EMS Sasuke needed to use same full Skeleton Susanoo along with Enton blade to cut through Kidomaru's webs(re-read Kabuto vs Uchiha brothers battle)

and the same web was destroyed by Neji without any effort.

possibly also rotation protected Neji from wood spikes from the juubi itself used by Obito, so surely it is not joke.

neosmith500 said:
It seems u dont fully understand the way jyuken works, it wont crack the susano as thats not how jyuken operates, the violent blast of jyuken chakra would malfunction the pinpointed area by plowing the violent blast of chakra destroyin jyuken into the susano with enough force to sky rocket any version of MS susano givin it ample physical damage as well.

Also if ur sayin sasuke could at best maintain v4 for 3/2 minutes then getting pushed away by wall palm would surely burn out that limit, not to mention destroyin the v4 an givin sasuke additional damage.

so by simply workds, it destroy Susanoo chakra threads from inside cause it to crack and dissolve, making it nigh impossible to maintain Susanoo if enough chakra flows into it used by skileld Hyuuga member.

BenjerminGaye said:
The number is irrelevant. If a wood spike breeched his rotation and ripped his headband, then sasuke's arrow is tearing his head off.

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^^ read again and agin the left bottom panel, the number of them was issue, not speed at which they approached him one by one.

The arrow will not harm Neji unless Sasuke manage to shoot as many ro close to amount of wood spikes then yes it will kill Neji.

Manga disagree with you while proving my point, sorry

neosmith500 · Dec 14, 2014

Radice said:
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Not Even Gaara + kankuro + Darui + Temari
2 High Jounins + 1 Kage + Future Raikage

Could not break Sasuke skeletal Susanoo

What's the chance of Neji alone against V3 or final Susano'o?

It's joke...

And not one of those techniques has the same attributes of jyuken which "Destroys Chakra constructs', not to mention wall palm is many times stronger than those techs in terms of scale an the violent push alone.

Danzo usin a inferior vacuum blast that does not utilise jyuken's anti chakra properties was able to strip a stronger susano an leave it open.
Vacuum Wall havin a stronger shockwave blast + anti chakra attributes bein blasted into the susano an sendin it flying is essentially the best of both worlds, Ur compairing different type of attacks.

Unorthodox · Dec 14, 2014

KCMNaruto said:
Yeah I am fanboying with manga feats and a bit speculation taking in consideration manga panels/feats while you simply laugh at me, stating blankly "Sasuke stomps", taking about fanboysim Lol, you are too funny

Oh no your a fool i stopped taking you serious when you tryed to explain Kidomaru's arrow being stronger than an arrow made of susanoo and its about 10 feet long your a joke if a wood spike was able to bypass his rotation susanoo arrow plows through it and kills the fodder. And i absolutely hate the chakra argument bijuu damas are made of chakra rasengans are made of chakra water sharks are made of chakra yet gentle fist does nothing to do them at all.

Radice · Dec 14, 2014

KCMNaruto said:
sure but the can not destroy the chakra but inserting their chakra into chakra construction using Gentle fist.

The only problem would be get close enough.

Also even EMS Sasuke needed to use same full Skeleton Susanoo along with Enton blade to cut through Kidomaru's webs(re-read Kabuto vs Uchiha brothers battle)

and the same web was destroyed by Neji without any effort.

Dude. All Kabuto's techniques is powered with his Sage Mode.

Is an entirely universe above Kimimaro's original web

Anyway if Neji try to get any approach to atack Susanoo Sasuke.

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This is what happens to him:

KCMNaruto · Dec 14, 2014

Almighty Unorthodox said:
Oh no your a fool i stopped taking you serious when you tryed to explain Kidomaru's arrow being stronger than an arrow made of susanoo and its about 10 feet long your a joke if a wood spike was able to bypass his rotation susanoo arrow plows through it and kills the fodder

WHAT !!!, lol, bold part, what the bunch of bullshit no you only proved how hate blind you.

Actually I only debated about Susanoo arrow moving about the same speed as Kidomaru's arrow as they crossed same distance in similliar amount of panels. I have never argued about power of attack as Susanoo's arrow would easily be supperior.

However if Neji can react in time and he can if arrows are about same speed, then Neji's rotation can deflect it.

No wood spikes didn't got through it by power, the number was too big, and that is difference.

one Susanoo arrow will do nothing to rotation if Sasuke shoot multiple of them then yes, he got win.

Radice said:
Dude. All Kabuto's techniques is powered with his Sage Mode.

Is an entirely universe above Kimimaro's original web

Anyway if Neji try to get any approach to atack Susanoo Sasuke.

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This is what happens to him:

That why Neji would have to stay at defence and only blast Sasuke's Susanoo when he try to come to close or shoot arrow at him. He would have wait until Sasuke degrade Susanoo from v4 to v3 and then he would actually handle himself pretty well keeping Sasuke's Susanoo in check.

Once Sasuke is forced to degrade Susanoo to v2,Neji can fully go at offence while being at guard about amaterasu and Enton.

Actually more then to abilities it comes to amount of chakra they both have which decided winneer...

Radice · Dec 14, 2014

If you want to compare part 1 features.
Neji lost to and can't accomplish Kyuubi Naruto.

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3T Sharingan Sasuke without cursed seal wins easily a taijutsu battle against a much more stronger Kyuubi Naruto.

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neosmith500 · Dec 14, 2014

Almighty Unorthodox said:
Oh no your a fool i stopped taking you serious when you tryed to explain Kidomaru's arrow being stronger than an arrow made of susanoo and its about 10 feet long your a joke if a wood spike was able to bypass his rotation susanoo arrow plows through it.

Show me a scan of MS susano arrow bein faster or stronger than kido's arrows, ill wait. The only advantage they have is thier size an ability to fire multiple simultaneously, in terms of feats kido's>>sasuke's .
The wood spike only breached kaiten since they were continuously rainng down while he couldn't continuously spin to keep kaiten at full power, to which he side steped out the way, wats the difference between that specific spike compaired to the initial ones fired?
A full powered kaiten revolution>arrow

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KCMNaruto · Dec 14, 2014

Radice said:
If you want to compare part 1 features.
Neji lost to and can't accomplish Kyuubi Naruto.

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3T Sharingan Sasuke without cursed seal wins easily a taijutsu battle against a much more stronger Kyuubi Naruto.

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^^ yeah it is truth but you only showed me that sharigan's precogonition allowed Sasuke to have upperhand again Naruto using Kyuubi chakra aka KN0.

Also Neji didn't loose to Naruto using Kyuubi chakra:

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^^ Neji actually win struggle Kaiten vs KNO Naruto, but only lost due to strategy and being too exhausted to use Byakugan, while Sasuke before getting precognition was pummeled around:

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later after Sasuke awoken third tomoe:

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^^ Sasuke punches and kick didn't even harm Naruto too much, he was just being knocked around.

Also it seems Naruto held back a bit against Sasuke, while he went full offensive at Neji as he was determined and wanted to prove how much he was wrong, adding lack of sympathy for Neji clearly Naruto was using full chakra he got from Kurama back then

neosmith500 · Dec 14, 2014

Almighty Unorthodox said:
And i absolutely hate the chakra argument bijuu damas are made of chakra rasengans are made of chakra water sharks are made of chakra yet gentle fist does nothing to do them at all.

Compairin bijuu dama which is a high mass of condensed chakra which explodes in ur face with enough power to destroy a small mountain to susano which got breached by danzo's weak vacuum blast is not helpin ur argument, y the hate tho?

If a hyuga hits a water shark with jyuken then that shark turns to chakra less water, same applies to rasengan if jyuken is infused into it which will malfunction the jutsu.

Radice said:
if Neji try to get any approach to atack Susanoo Sasuke.

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This is what happens to him:

First scan countered by Wall palm, 2nd scan countered by full body blow.

Radice · Dec 14, 2014

KCMNaruto said:
^^ yeah it is truth but you only showed me that sharigan's precogonition allowed Sasuke to have upperhand again Naruto using Kyuubi chakra aka KN0.

Also Neji didn't loose to Naruto using Kyuubi chakra:

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^^ Neji actually win struggle Kaiten vs KNO Naruto, but only lost due to strategy and being too exhausted to use Byakugan, while Sasuke before getting precognition was pummeled around:

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later after Sasuke awoken third tomoe:

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^^ Sasuke punches and kick didn't even harm Naruto too much, he was just being knocked around.

Also it seems Naruto held back a bit against Sasuke, while he went full offensive at Neji as he was determined and wanted to prove how much he was wrong, adding lack of sympathy for Neji clearly Naruto was using full chakra he got from Kurama back then

Not.

I'm talking about 3T SASUKE
Not 2 T SASUKE

Naruto didn't had Kyuubi eyes and whiskers against Neji.
Naruto used much more Kyuubi chakra against sasuke to appear this facial
features.

Neji suffered great difficulties against Kyuubi Naruto
His most powerfull Kaiten can't knock out Naruto and Naruto totally
left exhausted Neji

Naruto still didn't has Rasengan against Neji.

While 3T Sasuke knocking out Naruto easily.

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Only 3 T Sasuke can beat Neji.
MS Sasuke destroys Neji...

KCMNaruto · Dec 14, 2014

Radice said:
Not.

I'm talking about 3T SASUKE
NOT 2 T SASUKE

3 T Sasuke wins easily against Kyuubi Naruto.
Who knocking out Naruto easily.

Neji suffered great difficulties against Kyuubi Naruto
His most powerfull Kaiten can't knock out Naruto.

only due to sharingan anticipation ability, albeit this he was unable to knock out Naruto.
His only option to put Naruto down for once and all would be chidori.

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