Justifying Kishi's Mistakes

[Tobby17]

not being and to see and pain are hardly that big a deal when you can still use susano'o. In fact, technically, obito has unlocked kamui in both his MS eyes. Why doesn't he have susano'o? We were just shown madara using susano'o without any eyes, but somehow obito can't use it with just 1 even though his other eye has MS unlocked? In fact, the eyes are still linked considering kakashi and obito can see out of each other's eye. No matter how you slice it, using susano'o without eyes is definitely a plothole. The increased Yin potential of the sharingan(which allows for chakra based constructs to be formed) is gone. The requirement of susano'o that 'MS must be unlocked in both eyes' is now gone because you have no eyes. There's no completion of the circuit by the eyes. There's nothing connected to that chakra sprouted in your brain to complete the requirement.


You completely missed the point. The point is that in both cases the eyes are locked.missing eye, blind, sealed eyes(izanagi/izanami), in all those cases the eyes are no longer usable. If susano'o, the best MS technique, can still be used after the eyes are rendered useless, wtf is the point? logically speaking madara doesn't even need a damn EMS because he can simply bring out PS and sense the general direction of his opponent. You're using a visual jutsu without visual prowess.

everything he said..

 

[Dantee]

There is nothing to wait for. Only way to validate this is to say Susanoo is not linked to using your eyes. It's really as simple as that.

 

[rollin]

not being and to see and pain are hardly that big a deal when you can still use susano'o. In fact, technically, obito has unlocked kamui in both his MS eyes. Why doesn't he have susano'o? We were just shown madara using susano'o without any eyes, but somehow obito can't use it with just 1 even though his other eye has MS unlocked? In fact, the eyes are still linked considering kakashi and obito can see out of each other's eye. No matter how you slice it, using susano'o without eyes is definitely a plothole. The increased Yin potential of the sharingan(which allows for chakra based constructs to be formed) is gone. The requirement of susano'o that 'MS must be unlocked in both eyes' is now gone because you have no eyes. There's no completion of the circuit by the eyes. There's nothing connected to that chakra sprouted in your brain to complete the requirement.


You completely missed the point. The point is that in both cases the eyes are locked.missing eye, blind, sealed eyes(izanagi/izanami), in all those cases the eyes are no longer usable. If susano'o, the best MS technique, can still be used after the eyes are rendered useless, wtf is the point? logically speaking madara doesn't even need a damn EMS because he can simply bring out PS and sense the general direction of his opponent. You're using a visual jutsu without visual prowess.

Tobirama said a special chakra sprouts and changes the uchihas eyes

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Sasuke went blind because he wa using that chakra too much but getting another ms made him not blind anymore
Madara still has that special chakra he just doesn't have his eyes

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

It's also funny when people try to justify plot holes from the rest of the arc as well,personally I believe Kishi is just trying wrap up the arc as fast as possible.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Tobirama said a special chakra sprouts and changes the uchihas eyes

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Sasuke went blind because he wa using that chakra too much but getting another ms made him not blind anymore
Madara still has that special chakra he just doesn't have his eyes

That does'nt explain how Madara can use a MStechnique without his eyes,would you be doing these mental gymnastics if Neji or Hinata still retained their 360 degree vision despite having no Byakugan?

 

[shelke]

Finally, someone else saw this. This manga literally doesn't make much of any sense any more. This was yet another stupid plothole. Tobirama's FTG seal working on Obito was another one.

 

[Tobby17]

Finally, someone else saw this. This manga literally doesn't make much of any sense any more. This was yet another stupid plothole. Tobirama's FTG seal working on Obito was another one.

how so?. Tobirama placed the seal after Obito had transformed, I don't see it as a plot hole.

 

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

Whats wrong with you guys, there is NO plothole, according to your logic Sasuke should have Itachis Susanoo, beacause he has his eyes... Thread FAIL. Kishi has many plotholes in his manga, but this is not one of them. Susanoo is independent of MS or EMS, period.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Whats wrong with you guys, there is NO plothole, according to your logic Sasuke should have Itachis Susanoo, beacause he has his eyes... Thread FAIL. Kishi has many plotholes in his manga, but this is not one of them. Susanoo is independent of MS or EMS, period.

Scans please.....and technically Sasuke's Susanoo did change after transplanting Itachi's eyes.Post your proof that Susanoo can be used without EMS/MS despite being a MS technique.

 

[-Spoiler-]

Whats wrong with you guys, there is NO plothole, according to your logic Sasuke should have Itachis Susanoo, beacause he has his eyes... Thread FAIL. Kishi has many plotholes in his manga, but this is not one of them. Susanoo is independent of MS or EMS, period.

dont bother with this garbage using a dojutsu without any eyes is a plothole, if it was any other character people would be calling foul, but because its madara everyone is trying to explain that its "logical"

 

[Xāvî1]

no need to do that people make mistakes and overcome from those mistakes

 

[shelke]

[/quote]how so?. Tobirama placed the seal after Obito had transformed, I don't see it as a plot hole. [/quote]

It's precisely why it's a plothole as Obito is fully capable of negating ninjutsu. If Minato's disappeared, then Tobirama's should have as well.

 

[Tobby17]

how so?. Tobirama placed the seal after Obito had transformed, I don't see it as a plot hole. [/quote]

It's precisely why it's a plothole as Obito is fully capable of negating ninjutsu. If Minato's disappeared, then Tobirama's should have as well.[/QUOTE]

lol. Obito's body doesn't negate ninjustu, it's the black thing that comes out of his HAND that does, the only reason Minato's seal disappeared is bcoz Obito transformed

 

[Anorien16]

then you dont have to kill your fellow uchiha clansmen for their eyes just pop in some randoms eyes you still activated susanoo already right?

Well yeah lets just use a normal eye when the entire Uchiha Clan fighting style is dependent on Sharingan ability of movement prediction, chakra perception etc ...... I am sure that wont create a problem.

PS Grave robbing is also an option, or asking for a donation is also an option.

OT: Such things been happening for a long time .... For example: Madara had a spare eye from a random Uchiha when he first met Obito, yet he was able to control the Black Rods which is seemingly be a Rinnegan power .... So apparently it a more complex thing, Tobirama explained that the special chakra in the brain causes the Sharingan transformation, so apparent the brain is the source of Sharingan's power (So limited acess to the powers should be avaiable) and the eyes is the medium of channeling that power (This also explains EMS .... The Original owner already transforms the eye and then the special brain chakra of the person who gets d implants tries to change it again creating a double pattern eye .... seemingly the similarity of blood creates a resonance effect which makes it immune to effects of sight deterioration). Also it is seen that Susanoo responds to the user's feelings and thus mental state while Amaterasu or Tsukiomy doesnt ... so its more likely that the origin of Susanoo lies in the brain not the eyes.

U guys never looking at things unless they bite you in the rear and announce its presence?

 

[vasu 32]

Why do deluded Kishi (Naruto, Madara?) fans try to justify Kishi's mistakes, why is it whenever there is a plot hole people try to dismiss it or look for a way to make it seem like it wasn't a plot hole, and when you complain, you are told to stop reading the manga if you don't like it.

In the last chapter Madara used Susanoo without eyes

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Now I know there's been lots of threads to complain about this obvious PLOT HOLE, and quite honestly I do NOT care about this, logic is not the reason why I read/watch Naruto, if they can fly and shoot bombs from their mouths and shzt, then I don't think we should be expecting any ''logic'' in the manga. However there are some things that are obvious plot holes, and people just need to accept it as what they are, PLOT HOLES!. Like Madara using Susanoo without eyes, but some people want to justify it by saying maybe you don't need eyes to use Susanoo once you activate it or it's the same thing as using justus without handseals.. WTF?, nowhere in the manga before now has it ever been implied that Susanoo can be used without the eyes, and I'm sure if someone had said that before now, or used something like that in a vs thread, people will call him a troll and what not, but once Kishi makes Madara use Susanoo without eyes, everybody wanna break down the shxt, talking bout how it's in the uchiha dna and shxt. Are you fxcking kidding me??. If you can use susanoo without eyes, then surely you can use amaterasu, and genjustu etc without eyes too, seeing as you might only need the eyes to 'activate' the justus for the first time, and that makes ZERO sense.

If you can still use all your justus without eyes as an Uchiha, then why was going blind such a big deal amongst the Uchihas???, why would Madara want to take Sasuske's sharigan until he got his rinnegan back??, seeing as he was dong just fine without them??..

Madara using susanoo without eyes was nothing more than a plot hole and people need to admit it not try to look for some farfetched explanation for it..

Cause Kishimoto is the author and can change the facts however he likes. It's called plot-twist,not plot hole,as the manga still is going on......

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Cause Kishimoto is the author and can change the facts however he likes. It's called plot-twist,not plot hole,as the manga still is going on......

Lol,you have obviously never written a story before if you think a author can just change the facts of the story whenever he/she feels like it.If you have to change certain elements of your story or alter the established lore/setting then you are a crappy writer.

 

[Anorien16]

Lol,you have obviously never written a story before if you think a author can just change the facts of the story whenever he/she feels like it.If you have to change certain elements of your story or alter the established lore/setting then you are a crappy writer.

Simply you havent passed the Little Red Riding Hood grade story stage ... There are countless popular stories/animes/movies with twists that changed the story: Darth Vader, Professor Snape etc to just name the popular one's that you might know. Not to mention there is plenty of evidence of current revelations, so actually no lore settings is changed .... only what people 'thought' was changed.

 

[Tobby17]

Cause Kishimoto is the author and can change the facts however he likes. It's called plot-twist,not plot hole,as the manga still is going on......

ofcourse some things can be changed in the manga, when they make fxcking sense!!

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Simply you havent passed the Little Red Riding Hood grade story stage ... There are countless popular stories/animes/movies with twists that changed the story: Darth Vader, Professor Snape etc to just name the popular one's that you might know. Not to mention there is plenty of evidence of current revelations, so actually no lore settings is changed .... only what people 'thought' was changed.

I am writing a story that covers over 50 chapters with a considerable reader base so nice try with the subtle insult.Of course there are twists in a story but that does'nt excuse something happening that has no logic or breaks one of the established rules of the setting.

 

[iSpyder]

Maybe the same way Madara used Susanoo with Rinnegan, he could use it while Blind?
Don't give me that "well it's the Rinnegan he can do whatever he likes"
If so, why didn't he use it to make the six paths and revive himself somehow

Gai > Madara