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OK so i have seen this issue prolonged and still perpetuating on this based... i just want to verify some misconceptions by our follower members with the AMATERASU ISSUE AND TSUNADE.


people are saying that Tsunade has no chance against the black flames because it incinerates anything to cinders when contacted with anything the user cast it on, well i hate to break it to you uchiha lovers and undecided base THIS IS NOT TRUE.... people are actually forgetting how the jutsu operates and i will remind those of who knew and elucidate coherently to those who are not aware.

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so here zestu of the akatsuki heard that Itachi's technique works that way, my guess he found out when Itachi and Kisame tried to attack Jiraiya--the mount sage.

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Here zestu goes more in details by elucidating how the tech operates.
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to make a long story short, the black flames will attack from different angles and meet at a central spot where the user cases the jutsu on his/her opponent. Its inextinguishable until for 7 days and it disperses after its target has being eradicated.

Now lets take a look at Tsunade's fundamental ability

she explains her technique right here to orochimaru, stating to him that NO MATTER WHAT SHE CANT BE KILLED. , we all know that, thats if she's vital however, this phrase has been repeated on numerous occasions throughout the manga, which makes it evidently clear that her jutsu isn't a fluke.

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Above Shizune also commented that if she speeds up the process she shortens her life expectancy.

Now what Itachi's Amaterasu indicating is contradictory to Tsunade's creation rebirth/strength of a hundred technique, but what we can do is relay both technique together by deducing what have exhibit this entire time within the manga.

we haven't seen this transpire as yet but by observing keenly and reading the manga its evidently clear that Tsunade survives black flames if she should be ignited.
How? and why?
Amaterasu eradicates anything to cinders that it touches according to zestu's, statement.
Now if we apply that to Tsunade's REGEN... It will disintegrates her top layer or first layer of cells, (when cast on the skin) as it rots away her cells, she's creating new enzymes rapidly that will transform into new cells and replace the damage ones. In other words her duplication of cells serves as a substitution.

The Amaterasu will now eradicate her first sets of cells then disperses to another near by target as its first task has been executed, which was disintegrating what it was cast on, which was her first sets of cells or top layer.

Now that new ones as served as a replacement, uchiha Itachi or Sasuke would need to apply more black flames on Tsunade to disintegrate her new layer and so the process perpetuate until she's out of chackra and collapses.

Tsunade also has an alternative option, that is, if being ignited she can use there own jutsu against them, with Sasuke its a bit different, he could undo the job if she gets too close and spread the fire on him.

Also this all makes sense because MANGA HAS PROVED THAT HER IMMORTALITY DEPENDS ON HER CHACKRA DURABILITY and i foresee Tsunade being into a worse condition than currently bisected in half, she even admits to the slug that she's fine and she doesn't needs the slug agglutinating ability to stick her together. She will regrow her legs as soon as that makuton is removed.

So there you have it, this Tsunade cant surviving black flames talk is trash if we follow what kishimoto is demonstrating this entire time.
I'm aware if both brother teams up its a sure victory with the aftermath of one dying or both severely injured but as a single unit absolutely no. Tsunade Senju would impede Itachi/Sasuke's ass.
 
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Nicely analyzed. :) You have a point ^_^
 

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So basically she would kill herself?
 

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Look at my sig. You have my answer to this thread.
 

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ok, thank you

well not necessarily but i guess.

i dont comprehend your Sig sir, but i do know what that symbol is. Hopefully you dont mean something disdainful

It's sarcasm.
 

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Amaterasu doesn't only burn the top layer of her skin, it disintegrates her entire body. Not only does it burn much faster than she can regenerate as we've seen the damage done to edo-nagato is such short periods of time, it burns longer than she can regenerate.

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The user himself determines the the degree of the burns, as we've Itachi only producing sufficient to incapacitate sasuke via putting a stop to the flames himself; common distribution of Ketai Henka over the technique Tsunade wouldn't survive full forced amaterasu even with her Yin-seal given the is noticeable slower than Amaterasu burns.

Too add, Tsunade would only perform the technique after amaterasu is in contact, giving it a head start.
 
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Amaterasu doesn't only burn the top layer of her skin, it disintegrates her entire body. Not only does it burn much faster than she can regenerate as we've seen the damage done to edo-nagato is such short periods of time, it burns longer than she can regenerate.

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The user himself determines the the degree of the burns, as we've Itachi only producing sufficient to incapacitate sasuke via putting a stop to the flames himself; common distribution of Ketai Henka over the technique Tsunade wouldn't survive full forced amaterasu even with her Yin-seal given the is noticeable slower than Amaterasu burns.

the black flames was cast on Nagato for a good amount of time before he body shinra tensei that away.
i think your not realizing her regenerative speed, Sauke was capable to escape Amaterasu before it enclosed his entire body by using a transformation technique, which means the ignition of the flames are really slow or slower that Tsunade's regen mode, if you take into account that Itachi was fueling the flame while it spread across Sasuke endlessly in the process.
 

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the black flames was cast on Nagato for a good amount of time before he body shinra tensei that away.
i think your not realizing her regenerative speed, Sauke was capable to escape Amaterasu before it enclosed his entire body by using a transformation technique, which means the ignition of the flames are really slow or slower that Tsunade's regen mode, if you take into account that Itachi was fueling the flame while it spread across Sasuke endlessly in the process.

This is what will happen to tsunade on contact with Amatearasu:
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While enduring excruciating pain on her entire body its highly unlikely that she would be able to even perform the technique as it isn't an automatic response to stimuli but an actual jutsu. Even if she's able to perform the technique, amatearsu has ahead start and will continually burn for some 168hours. It is highly debatable whether or not Tsunade possesses enough chakra and stamina to maintain it continuously for his time and greater factors being the number of times each specific cell is able to regenerate, she would either burn to death or exhaust her own life span.
 

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As far as Chakra is concerned...... Tsunade >>> Itachi o.o. Even when she uses her regeneration technique.
 

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This is what will happen to tsunade on contact with Amatearasu:
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While enduring excruciating pain on her entire body its highly unlikely that she would be able to even perform the technique as it isn't an automatic response to stimuli but an actual jutsu. Even if she's able to perform the technique, amatearsu has ahead start and will continually burn for some 168hours. It is highly debatable whether or not Tsunade possesses enough chakra and stamina to maintain it continuously for his time and greater factors being the number of times each specific cell is able to regenerate, she would either burn to death or exhaust her own life span.


good point but the flames didn't eradicate the samori's clothing as expected in an instant it took a considerable amount of time to get the job done which leads us to a conclusion that it is indeed slow on burning materials away, its the intensity of the heat that causes a foe to yell or scream in agony.
here Tsunade herself displayed that she can endure the strongest sets of burns and attacks, while the tech is active
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keep in mind that in this picture below she is capable to tank and block a katon before any of the other kages could even react to the attack, which indicates that her speed is good enough to evade the black flames, also she felt the burn at first but her technique nullified the effect of the heat, resulting in a partial recovery due to end or expiry of the jutsu.
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Also i think your forgotten that Byakugou doesn't needs hand signs to work and if comes in contact with any damage it heals instantaneously, how would the flames has the upper hand when the jutsu doesn't require hand signs...
 

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As far as Chakra is concerned...... Tsunade >>> Itachi o.o. Even when she uses her regeneration technique.

he wont subdue so easily, but her stamina far beats his... its good to enlighten him, i dont see how this can stop her at all, not trying to be a fan or anything, but just concluding based on what I've seen.
 

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good point but the flames didn't eradicate the samori's clothing as expected in an instant it took a considerable amount of time to get the job done which leads us to a conclusion that it is indeed slow on burning materials away, its the intensity of the heat that causes a foe to yell or scream in agony.
here Tsunade herself displayed that she can endure the strongest sets of burns and attacks, while the tech is active
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keep in mind that in this picture below she is capable to tank and block a katon before any of the other kages could even react to the attack, which indicates that her speed is good enough to evade the black flames, also she felt the burn at first but her technique nullified the effect of the heat, resulting in a partial recovery due to end or expiry of the jutsu.
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Also i think your forgotten that Byakugou doesn't needs hand signs to work and if comes in contact with any damage it heals instantaneously, how would the flames has the upper hand when the jutsu doesn't require hand signs...

Your points are valid though Armour is much more durable than actual flesh and Amatearsu is hotter than any normal katon, however i did think you were referring to her Yin-release seal not byakugo. In any case you haven't proven that she could regenerate damage using either Byakugo or Yin-release for 7 continuous days which is the down fall to your theory.
 

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We've already seen when Amaterasu is focused it desintegrated the person, like what Sasuke did to Danzo.
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Your points are valid though Armour is much more durable than actual flesh and Amatearsu is hotter than any normal katon, however i did think you were referring to her Yin-release seal not byakugo. In any case you haven't proven that she could regenerate damage using either Byakugo or Yin-release for 7 continuous days which is the down fall to your theory.

thats true i dont think that she herself could out last 7 days despite contributing to onoki's power, which could have preserve her to day 3 but what i do know is that being the number 1 medical ninja Tsunade has experience a lot of problems to heal people better yet keep them alive, not only that she's a senju and the senju's are the uchihas number 1 rivals, so during that outbreak it can also conclude or assumed that she went up against an uchiha or many to know the effects of Amaterasu, even Sasori displayed his inferior acknowledgement to Tsunade being the outstanding doctor.

PS after the fire has removed her first cells it would move on to another target its in the info i posted.
 

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We've already seen when Amaterasu is focused it desintegrated the person, like what Sasuke did to Danzo.
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we know it rots away an individual, but the speed at which it burns a material is slow, its the intensity that creates an excruciating feeling.
 

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thats true i dont think that she herself could out last 7 days despite contributing to onoki's power, which could have preserve her to day 3 but what i do know is that being the number 1 medical ninja Tsunade has experience a lot of problems to heal people better yet keep them alive, not only that she's a senju and the senju's are the uchihas number 1 rivals, so during that outbreak it can also conclude or assumed that she went up against an uchiha or many to know the effects of Amaterasu, even Sasori displayed his inferior acknowledgement to Tsunade being the outstanding doctor.

PS after the fire has removed her first cells it would move on to another target its in the info i posted.

As implied priorly, Tsunade is the over all target and will continually until nothing is left.
 

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we know it rots away an individual, but the speed at which it burns a material is slow, its the intensity that creates an excruciating feeling.

We know when focused it decimates the person instantly, like in scan I've shown. When not focused it doesn't burn as fast, nonetheless Tsunade will still be killed.
 

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As implied priorly, Tsunade is the over all target and will continually until nothing is left.
It isn't surprising because Gaara was able to stop it by infusing his chackra in his sand, and basically Tsunade is all about chackra control, so its still outstanding to this point that she can stop it, or heal from the damaged.

just so you know we are focusing on the cells not Tsunade the cells are the overall entity and not Tsunade in general, Think of her enzymes and cells has people who give birth to children when they are destroyed and those children quickly becomes adults to reproduced new ones. so when the flame is cast on the first generation and eradicate it, then it moves on to something else, because its job is finished, A new sets of flame would need to be cast to decimate the second generation of cells/people. I hope you understand what I'm saying.
 
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