Just name 1 person!!!!!

[OnPoint]

So what you're essentially saying is, the Hashirama we saw was on the same level as the one which fought Madara and the Kyuubi.

 

[MickNerks]

I thought Oro perfected it? At the people who said it was incomplete... ^^^

Oro did perfect it. People are in denile. kabuto even said oro perfected it.

Jiraiya, Gaara and Tsunade, maybe Kakashi

jiraiya, tsunade, kakashi, and gaara from part one all would have died.

Yes, he can.
Why not if an old man could? :shrug:

because that old man has all 5's in the databook (except for speed, stamina, and strength) which has gone down from age.
Hiruzen is stronger then people realize.

 

[MickNerks]

So what you're essentially saying is, the Hashirama we saw was on the same level as the one which fought Madara and the Kyuubi.

No, what i am saying is that neither hashirama nor Hiruzen were at their best. But Hashirama and Tobimara were still defeated by a older less effecient hiruzen.

Nagato was fully controlled and he still was able to bring naruto and killer B to there knees.

 

[OnPoint]

No, what i am saying is that neither hashirama nor Hiruzen were at their best. But Hashirama and Tobimara were still defeated by a older less effecient hiruzen.

Nagato was fully controlled and he still was able to bring naruto and killer B to there knees.

Right, so now that we've concluded that it was fodderama rather than Hashirama, why are you trying to use this feat as a means of gloryfiying Hiruzen's godliness (when in truth, it proves nothing)? Nagato was still nerfed even though he was spanking both Naruto and Bee, since I have VIZ scans showing Kabuto was not 100% sure what he was doing with regards to Nagato's skillset. Further, Nagato benefitted from Shippuden power levels and was in a situation where he was being used to kill his opponents; IIRC, Orochimaru was toying with Hiruzen.

 

[Hipster Madara]

Oro did perfect it. People are in denile. kabuto even said oro perfected it.



jiraiya, tsunade, kakashi, and gaara from part one all would have died.



because that old man has all 5's in the databook (except for speed, stamina, and strength) which has gone down from age.
Hiruzen is stronger then people realize.

Data book means nothing anymore.

 

[iHawk]

jiraiya, tsunade, kakashi, and gaara from part one all would have died.

I thought you meant only characters from part 1, not that their abilities were restricted to what was shown then too.

 

[MickNerks]

Right, so now that we've concluded that it was fodderama rather than Hashirama, why are you trying to use this feat as a means of gloryfiying Hiruzen's godliness (when in truth, it proves nothing)? Nagato was still nerfed even though he was spanking both Naruto and Bee, since I have VIZ scans showing Kabuto was not 100% sure what he was doing with regards to Nagato's skillset. Further, Nagato benefitted from Shippuden power levels and was in a situation where he was being used to kill his opponents; IIRC, Orochimaru was toying with Hiruzen.

fodderama was fighting fodderuzen.lol

Data book means nothing anymore.

why not

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

obito could. kabuto could. current naruto with frog song. nagato. thats about it

agree with you, however I'd note that Orochimaru didn't have the control over edo tensei as Kabuto has right now, the 1st and 2nd were definitely not used to their full potential

they were. its just fanboys of hashi who refuse to accept their hero could be made to loook so weak by a god

So what you're essentially saying is, the Hashirama we saw was on the same level as the one which fought Madara and the Kyuubi.

or close to it

 

[MickNerks]

obito could. kabuto could. current naruto with frog song. nagato. thats about it
they were. its just fanboys of hashi who refuse to accept their hero could be made to loook so weak by a god

or close to it

I agree with everything you say.lol

 

[FizzyDrink]

You're point makes plenty of nonsense....

Did you read that battle in the manga? Did it look like Hiruzen was in control of the fight at all??? No. Oro wasn't even TRYING, and he still totally dominated.

The truth is, if Oro's only purpose in that fight was to kill Hiruzen, he would have done it far more quickly and far more easily. He could have STARTED with Bringer of Darkness, and then just stabbed Hiruzen through the heart. Easy. When Hiruzen was in Bringer of Darkness in the actual battle, he could have been killed a million times and more.

Did he survive because he's such a powerful ninja, as you might imply?

No. He didn't. He stayed alive because Oro wanted to keep him alive until he was broken.

The ONLY thing Hiruzen showed in that battle was a strong will. He was out matched.

And to answer your question, no characters in part 1 would have been able to defeat Orochimaru and that combo if he were actually trying.

 

[FizzyDrink]

obito could. kabuto could. current naruto with frog song. nagato. thats about it
they were. its just fanboys of hashi who refuse to accept their hero could be made to loook so weak by a god

or close to it

ReadSo your saying the way Hiruzen fought that fight was...godly? :sy:

Read my previous post and tell me how in the world you can think Hiruzen is stronger than Oro, Hashi, and Tobirama combined based on the facts I provided.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

So your saying the way Hiruzen fought that fight was...godly?

no. im saying neither hashi nor hiruzen are godly feats wise

Did it look like Hiruzen was in control of the fight at all??? No. Oro wasn't even TRYING, and he still totally dominated.

considering what hiruzen is up against and his age, that is expected. but him toying is his fault and led to him having to retreat. remember enma said "this isnt like you, whats wrong?". hiruzen just couldnt bring himself to hurt his student till the end.

He could have STARTED with Bringer of Darkness, and then just stabbed Hiruzen through the heart. Easy. When Hiruzen was in Bringer of Darkness in the actual battle, he could have been killed a million times and more.

yeah and hiruzen could START with death god. he didnt because he wanted to verify edos are immortal

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

in part one kishi told us that hiruzen (at his prime) was the the strongest shinobi ever lived, in part two he said FORGET WHAT I JUST SAID hashirama is the strongest shinobi ever lived. you can't really blame anyone coz its not clear in the manga itself U_U

 

[ltachi Uchiha]

Hiruzen is the strongest Kage

id like to see sasuke beat orochimaru at 70

 

[FizzyDrink]

no. im saying neither hashi nor hiruzen are godly feats wise

You said, and I quote "its just fanboys of hashi who refuse to accept their hero could be made to loook so weak by a god". That is quite clearly YOU saying that Hiruzen was a god in that battle. Which he wasn't.

considering what hiruzen is up against and his age, that is expected. but him toying is his fault and led to him having to retreat. remember enma said "this isnt like you, whats wrong?". hiruzen just couldnt bring himself to hurt his student till the end.

But that doesn't at all translate into Hiruzen being more powerful than Hashirama and Tobirama and Orochimaru at the same time. The truth is he isn't. You're honestly not proving anything in relation to the point I made, and are just arguing points for no reason.

yeah and hiruzen could START with death god. he didnt because he wanted to verify edos are immortal

Once again, you veer from the point I am trying to make. Honestly, nothing you are saying is defending that Hiruzen is stronger than Hashi, Oro, and Tobirama combined. The best you could come up with is "well if he commits suicide at the very beginning he at least gets a tie". Same goes for Deidara, but you and I both should know that this isn't the case in a battle.

I don't even see the point of you responding to my post. You didn't disprove me at all.

 

[FizzyDrink]

Hiruzen is the strongest Kage

id like to see sasuke beat orochimaru at 70

Read my post and stop being ignorant.

 

[shogun973]

itachi

 

[Kokuo]

Naruto was still in its infancy, Kishi didn't know back then the jutsu's he would create later and just how strong he would end up making Madara and Hashi out to be, and as it was already said Orochi didn't have full control over the Edo they weren't used to their full potential, And I actually like Hiruzen btw I just don't believe he was above Hashirama equal maybe but not above.

 

[Talal]

Once again, you veer from the point I am trying to make. Honestly, nothing you are saying is defending that Hiruzen is stronger than Hashi, Oro, and Tobirama combined. The best you could come up with is "well if he commits suicide at the very beginning he at least gets a tie". Same goes for Deidara, but you and I both should know that this isn't the case in a battle.

I don't even see the point of you responding to my post. You didn't disprove me at all.

LOL no. Deidara's suicide jutsu couldn't even kill 3 tomoe Sasuke. Hiruzen took down 2 edo Kages and Orochimaru's arms. Don't compare them. And yes his argument is true he could have started with the Death Seal God and killed Orochimaru "instantly" just as much as Orochimaru could have killed him "instantly".

 

[Sn0rkack]

Why did you make this thread if every time someone says a name you just say no? How can you even say Hiruzen would be able to do what Jiraiya could not at that point and time? And you say "Minato wasn't in part 1" well he was dead in part 2, now wasn't he? So since his "memory" was only shown in part 2 that makes him only eligible for forum fights after Naruto returns from his training trip?