Just lost all respect for Sasuke

[AnonymousShinobi]

Man, the last page on the latest chapter got me really pissed. :devil: You have your only daughter who you neglected when she was a newborn and she comes searching for you after so long and this is how you treat her, by drawing your fuking sword as if you're gonna slit her throat or something? I mean wtf Kishi? :|

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My view on Sasuke throughout the series
Sorry guys but I never really appreciated Sasuke's character. Funny thing is, I started to develop hatred towards Sasuke since part 1. I always wanted Naruto to kick his ass. [

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] There was just something about Sasuke I did not like. It was mostly his personality that used to piss me off. My hatred began to increase towards him after he received the curse mark from Oro and he transformed into some deformed Snake creature with wings bullshit. [

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] It was only until after his fight against Itachi when I really began to understand his character a little and start to feel some sympathy for him. Then as soon as he awakened MS, he became one of my faves. [

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] He stayed that way until he turned on Naruto again after Kaguya's defeat. [

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] He started to piss me off again and now it's like Kishi just hit the final pressure point. U_U

I will never admire Sasuke's douchy character ever again and it will probably remain that way. So far I think of him as a more annoying, a$$hole version of Madara. This is because even Madara did not harm females who cared for him and actually had good intentions overall. :eww: Heck I even think the new villains like Shin and the hooded guy are cooler. :yeah: Although I can understand if some of you guys like him, I mean he is a deuteragonist afterall so it's only logical for him to have a relatively large fanbase. But I guess, I'm just not that naive. :hmm:

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[Universal Enlightenment]

Dude he's not even sure who that is he has no clue of there intention that's why his blade is pulled, You expect someone who seen there whole family/kin killed to grow up and become a gentle giant? I'm not gonna lie some of the things Sasuke said and done i didn't like but he brings excitement to the story and was well written until the valley of end fight part 2, He's a well written character in my opinion well it came to surprises & mysteries.

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

It's not particularly the difference in opinion, but rather the ability to determine what makes a character good or bad. I guess it's a little easy for me as I can be a tad bit pessimistic. That means I can tend to concentrate on more cons than the pros, so I can safely tell you that Sasuke has many cons. His personality, intelligence and character development are worse than Itachi's and he's even more annoying than Sakura, in all honesty. I can even compare another character from a different manga such as HxH and grab someone like Kurapika and say that he is a better version of Sasuke.

Lmao, hold on. You want to call Sasuke a bad character? Who do you deem as a good character?

 

[sumbul]

Naruto stays in the village to protect it and sasuke's stay out of it only for the safety of the village and their families.
Sasuke loves his family and his village and its protection is his main duty because naruto is hokage and he has to stay in the village. It is for this reason that he stays out of the village . He havent seen sarada since her birth because he is gone protecting her and her village. He pointed his sword at her as a precaution because shin had attacked him . He is infact the best dad ever. Deal with it.
Keep calm and love sasuke

 

[Conspirator.]

Although I can understand if some of you guys like him, I mean he is a deuteragonist afterall so it's only logical for him to have a relatively large fanbase. But I guess, I'm just not that naive. :hmm:

Dumb and daft thread is a dumb and daft thread. A character doesn't need to have a perfect moral compass for them to be well liked. Why? Because it's a fictional manga. A character doing immoral and dirty things on our everyday standards does not mean that they cannot be liked. In this case, liking Sasuke does not mean you yourself would like or agree to such actions. People may, to give but one example, like him for the way his unpredictable and mercurial action drives the plot.

Oh, and a part of your thread is built on assumptions in any case. He has just found out that there's a bunch of yahoos going around with the Sharingan, and he meets someone with the Sharingan, who also found his hiding spot which, as far as he knew, he only told Naruto. How do you expect him to react? Especially since he may not even know that Sarada is his daughter in the first place. Albeit, this part about him not knowing he has a daughter is probably his fault mostly, but still, he's not as bad as what are you're trying to portray him to be in this thread.

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

I have no idea how so many people have failed to read and understand the final line of the chapter. He's hunting down and involved with weirdos all wielding Sharingans.

Of course he associates them together, might not even know about Sarada- nevermind recognise her.

That gives him no right to draw his sword like he's actually going to physically harm her. That is just stupid and imprudent. U_U He could've just used a genjutsu on her in order to mentally subdue her while preventing her from moving a muscle, maybe similar to what he did to Sakura prior to his fight with Naruto. [

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] That is what someone like Itachi would have done and that is the obvious difference between the two brothers. One is more smarter than the other and it's no wonder he was renowned for his intelligence.

If u want my thought on this chapter then i think that Kishi forced a dramatic situation. Sasuke was just attacked, by someone using his clan's eyes and wearing his clan's crest. That is the kind of thing that would seriously get to Sasuke. Sasuke hasn't seen his daughter in 12 years so it would make sense that he wouldn't be thinking about what she'd looked like now. But Kishi had her awaken Sharingan just so Sasuke would mistaken as being one of Shin's cohorts.

The last thing on Sasuke's mind, or anyone else's in this situation would be that their daughter, who should be all the way back in konoha would be in that god forsaken wasteland that Sasuke was sure that even his enemies would have a hard time finding

I get y ppl would dislike Sasuke for not seeing his daughter after so long, but what happened in this latest chapter could only be described as the most unfortunate of coincidences.

Same response as above^ Not seeing his daughter after so long is one mistake, but withdrawing his sword irrationally as if he is too kill her is another. U_U

OP, you make me wanna puke. I don't give the slightest shit about your moronic opinion and I made this post just to feel better about myself.

Cool, maybe you should go ahead and stick a blowtorch up your a$$hole as well. That would probably make me feel better about myself too. U_U

Sigh, yet another brave member trying to appeal to the (non-existing) rational side of the Sausage fapbase. Why do you guys even bother?

I guess zealous people like me have not given up yet so easily.

lol, we don't even know why he raised his sword against his baby girl. You're taking things at face value, and making negative assumptions.

How many times do you have to see something look bad then it turns out to be good, or atleast differently from what you expected - before you stop taking things at face value?

How many stories do you have to read before you stop doing this? It happens all the time.

Things look bad - then they turn out not bad.

You need to maybe read my OP again. I explained quiet eloquently I should add, the flaws in Sasuke's character. He has always been an impetuous and imprudent fool, and that is some of the reasons why he was depressed and falling down most of the time. His actions at the end of the latest chapter as well as others overall have done no justice to his character except only make him out to become an even bigger a$$hole. But then again, I suppose it was intentional on Kishi's part because he's trying to portray how "dark" single parents can be while neglecting their children. :hmm:

Dude he's not even sure who that is he has no clue of there intention that's why his blade is pulled, You expect someone who seen there whole family/kin killed to grow up and become a gentle giant? I'm not gonna lie some of the things Sasuke said and done i didn't like but he brings excitement to the story and was well written until the valley of end fight part 2, He's a well written character in my opinion well it came to surprises & mysteries.

I honestly don't think so. He has been a complete irrational fool compared to his brother and so not the intelligent and calm type. Sure, maybe at times he has been quite good with judgement but then the worst part was that he would continue to revert back to his amateurish and idiotic actions as if he had never grown up. :eww: This is probably the most annoying thing about him and Kishi never sustains his development. He is almost like a failure of an Uchiha, who is just lucky enough to get the most spotlight compared to other characters. Sorry but these are facts I gathered from analyzing the manga. U_U

You've also stole my sig. Please change it before you get reported. :|

Lmao, hold on. You want to call Sasuke a bad character? Who do you deem as a good character?

Are you serious? :lol There are so many to mention - Naruto, Hashirama, Tobirama, Kakashi, Jiraiya, Tsunade, Minato, Hinata and even Itachi and Obito to some extent. :yeah:

Naruto stays in the village to protect it and sasuke's stay out of it only for the safety of the village and their families.
Sasuke loves his family and his village and its protection is his main duty because naruto is hokage and he has to stay in the village. It is for this reason that he stays out of the village . He havent seen sarada since her birth because he is gone protecting her and her village. He pointed his sword at her as a precaution because shin had attacked him . He is infact the best dad ever. Deal with it.
Keep calm and love sasuke

So according to you, it's more important to look after other people and the place you live from the outside rather than spending time with your family and only child? :| I will feel sorry for your children and family, brah. It also doesn't look like Sasuke is doing a good job at protecting his village from the outside as it seems he just let an "intruder" escape, who could potentially be dangerous and jeopardize the safety of the villagers. :eww:

Dumb and daft thread is a dumb and daft thread. A character doesn't need to have a perfect moral compass for them to be well liked. Why? Because it's a fictional manga. A character doing immoral and dirty things on our everyday standards does not mean that they cannot be liked. In this case, liking Sasuke does not mean you yourself would like or agree to such actions. People may, to give but one example, like him for the way his unpredictable and mercurial action drives the plot.

Oh, and a part of your thread is built on assumptions in any case. He has just found out that there's a bunch of yahoos going around with the Sharingan, and he meets someone with the Sharingan, who also found his hiding spot which, as far as he knew, he only told Naruto. How do you expect him to react? Especially since he may not even know that Sarada is his daughter in the first place. Albeit, this part about him not knowing he has a daughter is probably his fault mostly, but still, he's not as bad as what are you're trying to portray him to be in this thread.

So according to what you wrote in the first part, it seems like you don't understand anything about morals and how they work. That gives me the impression that you must be some "psychopath-in-the-making" who doesn't really give a shit about lives and would prefer to consider killing no different than loving? :eww: You need to understand that there are morals everywhere, in the real world as well as the fictional world. That is how you can determine if someone/something is either good or bad. And if it is good, then it would bring benefits in some way while if it is bad, then it would be likely to bring problems in some way.

Again, your interpretation of his actions is no different than what probably most Sasuke fanboys stated on this thread. That doesn't justify anything and still makes Sasuke seem like an impetuous a$$hole. As for everything else, just read my earlier posts. I hate to repeat myself. U_U

 

[DroGGz0r]

Cool, maybe you should go ahead and stick a blowtorch up your a$$hole as well. That would probably make me feel better about myself too. U_U

My, my... so savage.

 

[Sageflash]

Sasuke has always been an unlikable d-bag for me apart from Land of Waves and Chuunin Exam Arcs. He went from an enigmatic anti-hero to a menstruating pre-teen in like 3 chapters. Quest for revenge became butthurt and ridiculous angst, hypocrisy rolled through (see Five Kage Arc), and his dialogue was largely trash.

He's got some cool fights, but Sasuke as a character is a straight up cunt. This whole "terrible parent" notion is just icing on the cake.

 

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

I never liked Sasuke either, tbh, and the Gaiden is doing nothing but make me hate him more.

FOR ONCE I want someone to call Sasuke out on his bs and I don't want it handwaved seconds later, that's one of my main gripes with the ending.

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

That gives him no right to draw his sword like he's actually going to physically harm her. That is just stupid and imprudent. U_U He could've just used a genjutsu on her in order to mentally subdue her while preventing her from moving a muscle, maybe similar to what he did to Sakura prior to his fight with Naruto. [

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] That is what someone like Itachi would have done and that is the obvious difference between the two brothers. One is more smarter than the other and it's no wonder he was renowned for his intelligence.



Same response as above^ Not seeing his daughter after so long is one mistake, but withdrawing his sword irrationally as if he is too kill her is another. U_U



Cool, maybe you should go ahead and stick a blowtorch up your a$$hole as well. That would probably make me feel better about myself too. U_U



I guess zealous people like me have not given up yet so easily.



You need to maybe read my OP again. I explained quiet eloquently I should add, the flaws in Sasuke's character. He has always been an impetuous and imprudent fool, and that is some of the reasons why he was depressed and falling down most of the time. His actions at the end of the latest chapter as well as others overall have done no justice to his character except only make him out to become an even bigger a$$hole. But then again, I suppose it was intentional on Kishi's part because he's trying to portray how "dark" single parents can be while neglecting their children. :hmm:



I honestly don't think so. He has been a complete irrational fool compared to his brother and so not the intelligent and calm type. Sure, maybe at times he has been quite good with judgement but then the worst part was that he would continue to revert back to his amateurish and idiotic actions as if he had never grown up. :eww: This is probably the most annoying thing about him and Kishi never sustains his development. He is almost like a failure of an Uchiha, who is just lucky enough to get the most spotlight compared to other characters. Sorry but these are facts I gathered from analyzing the manga. U_U

You've also stole my sig. Please change it before you get reported. :|



Are you serious? :lol There are so many to mention - Naruto, Hashirama, Tobirama, Kakashi, Jiraiya, Tsunade, Minato, Hinata and even Itachi and Obito to some extent. :yeah:



So according to you, it's more important to look after other people and the place you live from the outside rather than spending time with your family and only child? :| I will feel sorry for your children and family, brah. It also doesn't look like Sasuke is doing a good job at protecting his village from the outside as it seems he just let an "intruder" escape, who could potentially be dangerous and jeopardize the safety of the villagers. :eww:



So according to what you wrote in the first part, it seems like you don't understand anything about morals and how they work. That gives me the impression that you must be some "psychopath-in-the-making" who doesn't really give a shit about lives and would prefer to consider killing no different than loving? :eww: You need to understand that there are morals everywhere, in the real world as well as the fictional world. That is how you can determine if someone/something is either good or bad. And if it is good, then it would bring benefits in some way while if it is bad, then it would be likely to bring problems in some way.

Again, your interpretation of his actions is no different than what probably most Sasuke fanboys stated on this thread. That doesn't justify anything and still makes Sasuke seem like an impetuous a$$hole. As for everything else, just read my earlier posts. I hate to repeat myself. U_U

That is all I needed. You call Sasuke a bad character then go on to say Naruto is a good one? Your judgement is obviously flawed.

 

[King Of Pop]

i can feel the hatred in some of thiis posts. lol dat sasuke

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

My, my... so savage.

Can't say you weren't asking for it, troll. U_U

Sasuke has always been an unlikable d-bag for me apart from Land of Waves and Chuunin Exam Arcs. He went from an enigmatic anti-hero to a menstruating pre-teen in like 3 chapters. Quest for revenge became butthurt and ridiculous angst, hypocrisy rolled through (see Five Kage Arc), and his dialogue was largely trash.

He's got some cool fights, but Sasuke as a character is a straight up cunt. This whole "terrible parent" notion is just icing on the cake.

I never liked Sasuke either, tbh, and the Gaiden is doing nothing but make me hate him more.

FOR ONCE I want someone to call Sasuke out on his bs and I don't want it handwaved seconds later, that's one of my main gripes with the ending.

Thanks for understanding guys. I'm glad to see this thread isn't just full of stuck-up sausage fanboys. :eww: I also agree with y'all.

That is all I needed. You call Sasuke a bad character then go on to say Naruto is a good one? Your judgement is obviously flawed.

It appears as though you lack the ability to effectively determine between which characters are considered good and which are considered bad? :| Yah, and my judgement is flawed? :eww:

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

I honestly don't think so. He has been a complete irrational fool compared to his brother and so not the intelligent and calm type. Sure, maybe at times he has been quite good with judgement but then the worst part was that he would continue to revert back to his amateurish and idiotic actions as if he had never grown up. :eww: This is probably the most annoying thing about him and Kishi never sustains his development. He is almost like a failure of an Uchiha, who is just lucky enough to get the most spotlight compared to other characters. Sorry but these are facts I gathered from analyzing the manga. U_U

You've also stole my sig. Please change it before you get reported. :|

When comparing his character to Itachi of being calm type of course , Kishimoto hasn't given alot of these characters good substantiated development on a worst scale.

Really how you gonna report for a sig footage from naruto revolution video game lmao

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

Can't say you weren't asking for it, troll. U_U





Thanks for understanding guys. I'm glad to see this thread isn't just full of stuck-up sausage fanboys. :eww: I also agree with y'all.



It appears as though you lack the ability to effectively determine between which characters are considered good and which are considered bad? :| Yah, and my judgement is flawed? :eww:

Im just going to scratch the surface. I won't bother getting into this with you cause you will obviously find some retarded way to defend Naruto.

Naruto: the most cliche character I have ever read. Has no face to him besides being that "ideal everyone looks up to him character." But how can anyone even relate to him/look up to him? Naruto finds the person who kills his family, destroyed his village, and generally does some more ****ed up things. But all in a space of a couple days he forgives him and even considers him a cool guy. No one is that happy. Naruto is borderline insane.

Sasuke: Sasuke had his family killed in front of his eyes at a young age by his brother. What, is he suppose to live his life as if that shit didn't just happen? Being happy and smiling everyday? Of course Sasukes character is that quiet, I can do everything by myself character. You can't even begin to imagine the pain someone will go through witnessing what Sasuke witnessed. Atleast he has a personality. As opposed to Naruto who even after being shunned by his whole village for all his years, the things I mentioned above, and other things, always managed to stay happy. That is not someone to look up to.

 

[DarkStar1]

Sasuke sucks, he's an objectively flawed character and has been since mid Shippuden.

 

[Mikasa Hagaromo]

Man, the last page on the latest chapter got me really pissed. :devil: You have your only daughter who you neglected when she was a newborn and she comes searching for you after so long and this is how you treat her, by drawing your fuking sword as if you're gonna slit her throat or something? I mean wtf Kishi? :|

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Sorry guys but I never really appreciated Sasuke's character. Funny thing is, I started to develop hatred towards Sasuke since part 1. I always wanted Naruto to kick his ass. [

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] There was just something about Sasuke I did not like. It was mostly his personality that used to piss me off. My hatred began to increase towards him after he received the curse mark from Oro and he transformed into some deformed Snake creature with wings bullshit. [

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] It was only until after his fight against Itachi when I really began to understand his character a little and start to feel some sympathy for him. Then as soon as he awakened MS, he became one of my faves. [

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] He stayed that way until he turned on Naruto again after Kaguya's defeat. [

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] He started to piss me off again and now it's like Kishi just hit the final pressure point. U_U

I will never admire Sasuke's douchy character ever again and it will probably remain that way. So far I think of him as a more annoying, a$$hole version of Madara. This is because even Madara did not harm females who cared for him and actually had good intentions overall. :eww: Heck I even think the new villains like Shin and the hooded guy are cooler. :yeah: Although I can understand if some of you guys like him, I mean he is a deuteragonist afterall so it's only logical for him to have a relatively large fanbase. But I guess, I'm just not that naive. :hmm:

OMG wtf is wrong with you ppl. He probably doesn't even know about his daughter, but even if he does he sure as hell wouldn't expect her to find him there when she's supposed to be in konoha. He was just attacked by some kid with the sharingan in the woods and is naturally on guard. Why is he being faulted for thinking she was the enemy? He didn't ****ing know who she is. Jesus.

 

[Ovan]

Sasuke is constantly on missions. Old person, young person, baby.. His mind is set to the point that if a child appeared to him, it's possible that it could be a threat placed upon his life. He was not expecting to see her there either. Only person that was supposed to come was Naruto but the plans were changed up and he was not informed. I am sure he was go into some type of awkward mood once Naruto introduces him to his lovely little girl.

 

[Dantee]

I can definitely see how Sasuke's "negligence" at taking care and speaking to his daughter will ruin his character.( not really), but I will attempt to see why. You can skip to the conclusion if you don't want to read it all, but I suggest you read before you criticize.


Before Chapter 700:

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Sasuke's story begins when Itachi massacres his entire family and is told by the person he admires the most to avenge his clan. Sasuke defeats Naruto at the valley, but spares the life of his best friend representing the sanity/feelings he held on for Team 7. After defeating ITachi he finds out the truth that the person he hated was only trying to protect him. Sasukes character makes a dramatic change after unlocking his MS and goes on a rampage to avenge his brother.

He then meets his brother once more confirming the truth but know Sasuke seeks out a deeper meaning to shinobi. He speaks to the kages and decides the world strongly needs change. After fighting Naruto he goes on a journey to revise his plan for peace. He learns his shinobi way by the end of 699 which is self sacrifice and peace for all humanity.

P.S I know there is a lot more to this story but it was just a rough summary.

A lot of the complaints of Sasukes character is After 700:

Expectations and Fanfic vs Reality and actual Story

Expectations and fanfic can't be used to say his character was ruined just because he didn't live up to fantasies you envisioned. Instead use what's is actually said/ depicted inside the story to judge his character.


Expectations & fanfic

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< Gaiden Sasuke and Sakura are married (not sure if confirmed or not)or at least togther now, they should have lots of SS moments like naruto/ hinata did in the last .

< Sasuke comes home every now and then to take of his child/mate with Sakura

< Insert more lovely dovey stuff..

< Sasuke is messing around with Karin that's why he has been away from the village for so long.

< Sasuke pointing his sword at his daughter makes him a bad parent off the bat

< Etc bs , Etc bs, Etc bs

Reality & the actual story

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< Gaiden Sasuke has been traveling the world trying to make it a better place.

< He hasn't been representing the leaf( concealed headband proves it), but he still works with Naruto. Probably works with other nations as well to help ensure peace on the new lands that are discovered.

< Attacked by a random sharigan kid who bears the Uchiha crest on his back. So it's only natural he would think anyone who approaches him at such a remote location would be a possibly enemy.

< Still unknown if Sasuke has any clue Sarada exists. Sasuke side regarding his daughter and his relationship with Sakura is still unheard.

Conclusion:

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Sasuke character revolves around his complex childhood and his resolve to maintain peace in NV. Sasukes character being ruined by the mere fact he hasn't met his daughter yet is quite laughable imo. It's not as if he has been lollygaging and taking vacations in the palms. In fact Sasuke seems like he is the one who worked harder than anyone to ensure the peace mankind has been enjoying.

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

Im just going to scratch the surface. I won't bother getting into this with you cause you will obviously find some retarded way to defend Naruto.

Naruto: the most cliche character I have ever read. Has no face to him besides being that "ideal everyone looks up to him character." But how can anyone even relate to him/look up to him? Naruto finds the person who kills his family, destroyed his village, and generally does some more ****ed up things. But all in a space of a couple days he forgives him and even considers him a cool guy. No one is that happy. Naruto is borderline insane.

Sasuke: Sasuke had his family killed in front of his eyes at a young age by his brother. What, is he suppose to live his life as if that shit didn't just happen? Being happy and smiling everyday? Of course Sasukes character is that quiet, I can do everything by myself character. You can't even begin to imagine the pain someone will go through witnessing what Sasuke witnessed. Atleast he has a personality. As opposed to Naruto who even after being shunned by his whole village for all his years, the things I mentioned above, and other things, always managed to stay happy. That is not someone to look up to.

Just by reading the first sentence I can tell that you have a clouded judgement that's really bad. You believe the main character who has been praised for his actions and words is a bad character, while you believe someone who was an immature, irrational kid infamous for being a global criminal is a good character. :|

It seems like you hate Naruto mainly because he forgave Obito for all his crimes and everything he did. What do you expect he was going to do kill him by committing the same crime and allow the cycle of hatred to repeat? See this is your failure in understanding this manga. Naruto's character is that of a person who promotes love and peace, he strives to break this cycle of hatred and desires for people to live together in harmanoy. How? By adopting a merciful attitude and forgiving even the greatest foes. Now Obito was truly sincere when he accepted all his crimes and wanted to work with Naruto to defeat Madara and Kaguya, so much so that he was willing to give up his life in the process. This is why Naruto was in turn willing to give him a chance and allow him to prove himself. Because that is essentially the better thing to do. Besides, Naruto was intelligent enough to think that maybe Obito's powers could come in handy. You forgot to realize without Obito, Sasuke would be eternally trapped in that Desert dimension, Naruto and Kakashi would be killed by Kaguya's bone ash jutsu and Sakura would've been killed by Madara. People with your mentality piss me off because your ignorantly show no gratitude of everything. U_U

As for Sasuke, sure his character is somewhat justifiable during part 1 since he was younger then and not very experienced, however during Shippuden he should've gotten over it just like Naruto did. This is the difference in character, one can forgive while the other can not and this is why Karin described him as "cold" as ever. He was just an egoistic a$$hole who had a rough time during puberty and failed to mature. :eww:

OMG wtf is wrong with you ppl. He probably doesn't even know about his daughter, but even if he does he sure as hell wouldn't expect her to find him there when she's supposed to be in konoha. He was just attacked by some kid with the sharingan in the woods and is naturally on guard. Why is he being faulted for thinking she was the enemy? He didn't ****ing know who she is. Jesus.

Like I already said in the earlier posts, Sasuke's first mistake was neglecting his only child and the other was to prepare to slice her head off when he drew his sword. There is something called "genjutsu" which he could've used to firstly interrogate and question Sarada before attempting to head in for the kill. This is the difference between the two brothers. One(Itachi) is intelligent, able to effectively interrogate and question people using genjutsu like he did with Naruto [

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Sasuke is constantly on missions. Old person, young person, baby.. His mind is set to the point that if a child appeared to him, it's possible that it could be a threat placed upon his life. He was not expecting to see her there either. Only person that was supposed to come was Naruto but the plans were changed up and he was not informed. I am sure he was go into some type of awkward mood once Naruto introduces him to his lovely little girl.

Well, let's hope so. :hmm:

I can definitely see how Sasuke's "negligence" at taking care and speaking to his daughter will ruin his character.( not really), but I will attempt to see why. You can skip to the conclusion if you don't want to read it all, but I suggest you read before you criticize.


Before Chapter 700:

Spoiler

Sasuke's story begins when Itachi massacres his entire family and is told by the person he admires the most to avenge his clan. Sasuke defeats Naruto at the valley, but spares the life of his best friend representing the sanity/feelings he held on for Team 7. After defeating ITachi he finds out the truth that the person he hated was only trying to protect him. Sasukes character makes a dramatic change after unlocking his MS and goes on a rampage to avenge his brother.

He then meets his brother once more confirming the truth but know Sasuke seeks out a deeper meaning to shinobi. He speaks to the kages and decides the world strongly needs change. After fighting Naruto he goes on a journey to revise his plan for peace. He learns his shinobi way by the end of 699 which is self sacrifice and peace for all humanity.

P.S I know there is a lot more to this story but it was just a rough summary.

A lot of the complaints of Sasukes character is After 700:

Expectations and Fanfic vs Reality and actual Story

Expectations and fanfic can't be used to say his character was ruined just because he didn't live up to fantasies you envisioned. Instead use what's is actually said/ depicted inside the story to judge his character.


Expectations & fanfic

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< Gaiden Sasuke and Sakura are married (not sure if confirmed or not)or at least togther now, they should have lots of SS moments like naruto/ hinata did in the last .

< Sasuke comes home every now and then to take of his child/mate with Sakura

< Insert more lovely dovey stuff..

< Sasuke is messing around with Karin that's why he has been away from the village for so long.

< Sasuke pointing his sword at his daughter makes him a bad parent off the bat

< Etc bs , Etc bs, Etc bs

Reality & the actual story

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< Gaiden Sasuke has been traveling the world trying to make it a better place.

< He hasn't been representing the leaf( concealed headband proves it), but he still works with Naruto. Probably works with other nations as well to help ensure peace on the new lands that are discovered.

< Attacked by a random sharigan kid who bears the Uchiha crest on his back. So it's only natural he would think anyone who approaches him at such a remote location would be a possibly enemy.

< Still unknown if Sasuke has any clue Sarada exists. Sasuke side regarding his daughter and his relationship with Sakura is still unheard.

Conclusion:

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Sasuke character revolves around his complex childhood and his resolve to maintain peace in NV. Sasukes character being ruined by the mere fact he hasn't met his daughter yet is quite laughable imo. It's not as if he has been lollygaging and taking vacations in the palms. In fact Sasuke seems like he is the one who worked harder than anyone to ensure the peace mankind has been enjoying.

I read it all, and your points are not bad. Although the only part that bothers me most about Sasuke is the fact he hasn't matured in terms of making wise judgements like his brother. This is my quote from what I said earlier on about Sasuke in case you missed it,

"He has been a complete irrational fool compared to his brother and so not the intelligent and calm type. Sure, maybe at times he has been quite good with judgement but then the worst part was that he would continue to revert back to his amateurish and idiotic actions as if he had never grown up. U_U This is probably the most annoying thing about him and Kishi never sustains his development. He is almost like a failure of an Uchiha, who is just lucky enough to get the most spotlight compared to other characters. Sorry but these are facts I gathered from analyzing the manga."

He is the opposite to his brother in terms of all that. At some point it's also like as if he hasn't even grown. I mean, he is officially an adult now seeing as how he has a wife and kid. This is his job to set a better example but at the moment he seems to be failing in all of this. :eww: Also regarding him trying to protect the village, he is no different than Danzo and I've always wanted to say this. This is because Sasuke also seems to be cold and willing to do just about anything to protect the village right even if it means to kill someone. Danzo was no different than all of that and was pretty much hated for it. The funny thing though is that Sasuke is just like him but it seems like the fanbase doesn't seem to care, maybe because he is an Uchiha? :| In one of the earlier posts, I also came up with another short theory that all of this could all be Kishi's plan. Maybe he's trying to put Sasuke's character in the "dark" side again but this time portraying him from an adult's perspective, and while connecting his character to the real world. Because check this right, there are many adults in today's societies who also negelct their children and leave their children to be single parented from a premature age and obviously it's not a good thing. So maybe this hatred towards Sasuke in gaiden is deliberate from Kishi part and to see where he could go from here. :eww: