Just how OP Susano'o is ?

[SeveN797]

I was thinking just how OP Susanoo is, when this jutsu basically solos 90% of NV(Look at Madara vs SA and 5 kages). Madara was holding 5 KAGES at the same time with just V3(he later resorted to mokuton, katon and preta path, but most of the time he was fighting with V3) and kages only managed to break it, once they combined their attacks.

Yet it can be recreated at any time as long as you have chakra for it, and it's activation is super fast. Itachi's Susanoo protected him from Kirin, one of the fastest techniques that exists

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Now what's more interesting, about Madara vs SA, I realized that they didn't even break it in the end, instead they had to pull him out for FRS?

Is Rasenshuriken not enough to destroy V3?
Oodama Rasengan is obviously not enough, Madara tanked it low diff with just a ribcage.

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Now let's see :

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And there's still V4, which was used like 5 times in the entire manga ?!

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I like how Itach, Naruto and Killer B are standing outside of it in Anime

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or maybe even 3 times? Since in MS Sasuke vs Kakashi, Sasuke activated it, but didn't do shit(arrow was fired with V3) and Itachi used V4 only for Totsuka stab. He ripped of Nagato's arm and fired Yasaka Magatama with V2 and V3, but it was shown that his V3 can hold yata as well

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so I guess Totsuka blade as well, it's like Kishi drew V4 there only to remind us, that it exists. Also in in Sasuke's case he used it against fodder white zetsu and Kishi never wanted to use it in serious fights, just because how OP it is.

Itachi&Sasuke were fighting Kabuto with V3's as well, because they didn't want to rekt him so badly

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Last words : I didn't mention PS specially, because it's more like god/rikudou level technique, and thread is about lower forms of Susanoo, which theoretically every average Uchiha with 2 MS could use.

Now when I think about it, if FRS isn't enough to destroy V3, then I see why Kishi used V4 so rarely, it was basically unbeatable in it's time(early-mid shippuuden), Sasuke's PS was introduced at the end of manga, where the power level was so high - Juubi Jin Madara, Kaguya and RSM Naruto, so his PS could be matched.

 

[ChicagoJhawk]

One of the best looking jutsu too.

 

[Jokule67]

Susano'o is uber strong for NOOO REASON lmao. I guess thats what Kishi meant by the Sages powerful spiritual energy. All the sheer power of their eyes unleashed. Its completely overwhelming.

And the fact that it inflicts pain in everycell just proves that the power is meant to be used with the Sages Chakra. They were literally peaking into the power of a diety.

 

[Uchihauzamakibarrage]

Susanoo wrecks, note if you are an Uchiha, when in doubt use Susanoo. It saved Sasuke's life, Itachi's life, it's incredibly strong. Back when Sage's chakra wasn't given to Sasuke and Naruto, it was a last line of defense move and it was a strong jutsu that came with an even stronger price, blindness. It makes sense to give the Uchiha that kind of power when they will eventuay go blind from
overuse, but now with Sage's chakra and stuff, it's spammable and OP

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

I'm pretty sure FRS can destroy it.

Are you saying FRS is weaker than one of Tsuande's punches?

 

[SeveN797]

Also look how restricted V4 was in the beginning, it's only user had to die, and next went blind in the same day he awakened it. Obviously it requires a lot of chakra to maintain, so when there was a real potential to use it, at the beginning of war arc - EMS Sasuke and Edo Itachi, they still didn't use it.

Susano'o is uber strong for NOOO REASON lmao. I guess thats what Kishi meant by the Sages powerful spiritual energy. All the sheer power of their eyes unleashed. Its completely overwhelming.

And the fact that it inflicts pain in everycell just proves that the power is meant to be used with the Sages Chakra. They were literally peaking into the power of a diety.

Yes Susanoo is as strong as it's user chakra, Madara is a perfect example of it, his V4 was the same size as full Kyuubi, as for Itachi and Sasuke, one got OP weapons, the other could add Enton to his weapons.

 

[SeveN797]

I'm pretty sure FRS can destroy it.

Are you saying FRS is weaker than one of Tsuande's punches?

It's not my opinion, but a manga fact, look at what Gaara said and did.
As for Tsuande's punch, if you're referring to this

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It was only a clone and it still doesn't look like it broke, she simply slammed it to ground.

 

[Sasuke The Solo God]

Well the evidence is right there. In order to use futuon rs they needed to pull him out implying it wouldnt be enough. Not sure if it was senpo or not but if It was then that makes susanno even more op. Seriouls you need god like strength(tsunade bykugo enhenced ces. Kamui/ameno. and kirin which are all high level techs.

But as Itachi states, every justu has its weakness and susannos is the fact that you can bypass it from beanth their feet. meanning kimmimaros bone forest, garras sand, and kakashis earth mole digger technique should be able to exploit that weakness nicely.

 

[Styles]

Well it is as strong as the bijuu's. Even though you don't need Susano'o to rek one.

 

[Detonator99]

It depends the user madara was able to block chou odama rasengan with his ribcage but there is no guarantee that it will have the same effects with the others.

 

[UnknownJin]

enough to tank rasengan

 

[SeveN797]

It depends the user madara was able to block chou odama rasengan with his ribcage but there is no guarantee that it will have the same effects with the others.

Maybe, but here's another interesting thing, they were fighting with Madara's V3, when Gaara was reffering to Sasuke's Susanoo in this scan

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yet Gaara witnessed only Sasuke's unarmored skeleton, which is V2 when it blocked 4 jutsus

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This could imply that Sasuke's V2 was as durable as Madara's V3? :bdpf:

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Indeed PS is OP but then Kishi made Kaguya OP

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Sadly the only way they could defeat her was via sealing

and not a complex one but just touching her

 

[Detonator99]

Maybe, but here's another interesting thing, they were fighting with Madara's V3, when Gaara was reffering to Sasuke's Susanoo in this scan

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yet Gaara witnessed only Sasuke's unarmored skeleton, which is V2 when it blocked 4 jutsus

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This could imply that Sasuke's V2 was as durable as Madara's V3? :bdpf:

I think he just ment that both are susanoo's and not that sasuke V2 is as powerfull as madara's v3 susanoo.:kk:

 

[SeveN797]

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That's why I said

Sasuke's PS was introduced at the end of manga, where the power level was so high - Juubi Jin Madara, Kaguya and RSM Naruto, so his PS could be matched.

His PS was destroyed by a strongest person in the manga, what a shame right ?

 

[Reviewing Logic]

That's why I said

I wanted to post it with text but accidentally posted it with just the image
the full post is above

 

[SeveN797]

I wanted to post it with text but accidentally posted it with just the image
the full post is above

Yeah sorry, didn't see ur edit.
BTW. I quoted myself in the previous post and got a notification of it XD

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Yeah sorry, didn't see ur edit.
BTW. I quoted myself in the previous post and got a notification of it XD

lol

It seems though Kishi really doesn't know how to do power scaling and when a new power increase occurs he leaves it to the readers to find out how and why.

Unlike Part 1 when descriptions were more frequent.

I believe the problem is that early on Kishi relied on characters to explain things and some times that leads to rules as who would know such things and why they would they say it.

Also other rules such as having the informative character being present in the battle or having the character who is doing the move to do the power/technique explanation but when random power ups occur, without the consent of the character using it, then it becomes even harder to do this or instead if you do try to explain it via the character that is using the said power you get BS like Bleach.



The solution to this was having a Narrator for this series. A outside source who can explain such things in detail, therefore saving us time.

 

[kiiro]

You cant compare FRS with Tsunade`s punch.

¿Why? Well the power of the FRS is different, it isnt just power, also it has a effect on the opponet, it cuts the cells. That is why FRS is powerfull because it is celular.

And Tsunade punch is a power attack.

And yes, Susano is very strong. Defense and Attack. But still not the best defense or attack

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

In some cases you can argue it's rikudou level and in some cases it doesn't come close. It all depends if the user uses rikudou chakra or not.