[Discussion] Just finished Sabaody Archipelago Arc and..

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Sabaody Archipelago arc was one of the better arcs i have seen so far. The corruption within the world goverment has been displayed in an amazing way, wished they had killed those damn nobles though.

But I don't like how the strawhats are dealing with these issues, everytime they crash with the marines it's because they are either hunted down or are trying to save/help a nakama. They see whats going on but they don't discuss the issue or form a opinion on the matter which is both childish and a lost opportunity to develop the characters IMO. I though that burning the flag in Enies lobby was a symbol and that they would oppose the current world power. But I guess I was wrong to think that.

So I was wondering, are they going to adress the issue in later arcs or are they still focused on their/friends well being?
 

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UMMM U do know you don't have to provide us with the updates of your ONE PIECE achievements.!!

but anyways...

it gets better now.!!

finally a girl who is romantically Interested in luffy.!!

that's girl just happens to be the PIRATE PRINCESS, is Hancock.!!

personally I like this woman island or whatever this arc is called pretty fascinating.!!

ohh btw spoilers.!!

Not only did you fail to read my question you also spoiled some stuff -_-

Not that I care for Luffy's love life, Sanji getting getting a woman would be funny though, bet he would forget about the all blue :heh:
 

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thats messed up you should warn people before they read if it has spoilers
 

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have someone read the thread who is up to date if you can to warn you of spoilers

but man, u have no idea of where this manga takes you
 

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Ya it was indeed a good arc,next arc's are alot better than this.
 

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In saboady archipelago they already discussed about what to do, that is separate and hide, they all knew what to do. That's a great thing about SH pirates...They all know what luffys decision without asking him and that reduces the need of serious discussion although they do discuss strategies in some of the coming arcs and you will love it
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Luffy burning the flag in Enies Lobby was meant to persuade robin to join him,if you look at it that's the part where luffy asks robin to join his crew earlier robin joined the crew just by her own choice...Anyways the point is that luffy didn't mean an all out war on WG but he showed robin he don't fu*king care about robins enemies
 

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If I am not mistaken the next arc is the precursor to impel down and marineford (the best 2 completed arcs in the series)
[I won't spoil you] The issues you speak off are not delved into great detail but are touched on in the following 3 arcs.

But the issues regarding the world government are much larger than you think and they will be dealt with gradually (in the new world). I am sure you are familiar with the Revolutionary army and it seems they will play a big role in the coming arcs (in the manga) and the strawhats might play a part in that (but i am unsure what Oda intends to do).

There will be big revelations to look forward to though. You are in for a hell of a ride.
 

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they are basically pirates not heroes.
They do what they want, they can even steal food from poor little hungry kids if they feel like.

Luffy punched that dude not because he is corrupt or evil because he f*ked with his friends. One simply doesn't F8ck with his friends.
If you would have noticed luffy has only been after those people who have hurt him any possible way.

Whether luffy deals with such political issues is for you to decide by reading ahead in the manga. For me,even in this case luffy didn't deal with any political issue, he was just minding his own business and clearing out people who were getting in his way.

Lastly, pirates aren't nice people, they steal,they kill and lot of other bad stuff.
This would be explained in more detail in war arc where we will know something more about roger.

In fact, pirate king is one of the most hated person in history of mankind (in one piece).AS i said, this will be more clear to you as you read on further.
 

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Sabaody Archipelago arc was one of the better arcs i have seen so far. The corruption within the world goverment has been displayed in an amazing way, wished they had killed those damn nobles though.

But I don't like how the strawhats are dealing with these issues, everytime they crash with the marines it's because they are either hunted down or are trying to save/help a nakama. They see whats going on but they don't discuss the issue or form a opinion on the matter which is both childish and a lost opportunity to develop the characters IMO. I though that burning the flag in Enies lobby was a symbol and that they would oppose the current world power. But I guess I was wrong to think that.

So I was wondering, are they going to adress the issue in later arcs or are they still focused on their/friends well being?
Luffy said that he understands Robin's enemy very well. He just saw a glimpse of their power by Ao Kiji. World Government shouldn't be taken just seriously. It's a matter of life and death against them.

It's not something anyone could think about it to take down World Government. Dragon alone is a threat to the Government, but he still have way up ahead to take down World Government little by little.

StrawHats Pirates are strong, but there are limits to their will and power. A bunch of 9 people won't do anything to World Government. World Government's day will come, in a great world war I would say. A war for humanity.

Peace-Main Pirates:
Roger
Whitebeard
Shanks
Ace
Luffy
 

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Not only did you fail to read my question you also spoiled some stuff -_-

Not that I care for Luffy's love life, Sanji getting getting a woman would be funny though, bet he would forget about the all blue :heh:

don't worry the princess is 11 years (or so older) and a complete b???h

No the SH's don't explicitly discuss the corruption in the WG but they do get annoyed and disgusted by it, the corruption is ofc there and I think the discussion will come once Luffy meets his dad (don't know how much Luffy will say on the opinion but Oda will definitely write about it), which would be the most fitting time to do so, either that ore once Robin finds all the poneglyphs, which would be the 2nd opportunity for it

one way or the other the SHs are too weak to do anything atm anyway and protecting their friends is the one thing they intend to do, up to Sabaody they only opposed the WG because of their friends, the conflict is new for them and they are only beginning to see the corruption, their primary goal is still OP, which imo also contains the true history, Oda already said there will be a final war, it would only be logical that in that war WG is opposed due to their corruption and what we eventually find out is the true history

where exactly in the story are you?

ignore Reizon, he is just an idiot who intentionally spoils all over the base, everyone just report him
 
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I agree with Algalon.

Luffy and the Strawhats are an active-neutral party (ooh, let me explain). They do not meddle with political issues, economy, corruption, hunger, etc. Any problem a person or a country, or even the whole Government and world, are not their Business. Luffy is in the pirate business in order to get as much freedom as possible (refer to Luffy and Rayleigh convo, in the Sabaody Archipelago). And that is a clear distinction between a Pirate and a Revolutionary. The pirates are selfish and work for their own good, and freedom, whereas the Revolutionaries work directly to overthrow the Government and fix the World.

Now, of course Luffy is a good person, and so are the Straw Hats. They make friends, and some of those friends do insert themselves in those types of situations. Vivi was the princess of Alabasta, so, in order to help her, Luffy meddled into Alabasta's business. It has been this way for a long time, and will be like this up until the very latest Manga chapter (and will most likely continue). Further on, in the Fishman Island Arc, Luffy will spout a very interesting analogy that sums this up, you'll know what it is when you read it.

There is a progression, though. The last arcs have been quite different from the norm. But true change won't happen, in my opinion, until they meet Dragon, who will explain to them what the Revolutionaries fight for, or when Robin herself explains what's happening, after discovering the Ryo Phoneglyph and the True History of the Void Century. That's when Luffy will snap out of the good-hearted but "selfish" mind he that only helps when his friends are need (trust, he does have a huge amount of them, and every country he steps in comes out better when he steps out).

Then again, he doesn't like scaredy cats. He doesn't help people that show no will to fight, no determination, no anything. And most of the world does live in ignorance and a sense of apathy that doesn't go well with Luffy. I think that would be something interesting to see when he finds out the truth about History, or when Dragon shows him the Revs. He looks and sees people with no determination, even if pleading, and will choose not to help them. And that is quite powerful, people can't expect everything to work out, if they don't work towards it. Luffy would have never helped Alabasta if only he had seen was people dying of thirst. He helped because Luffy poured her heart out in helping her country and was repelled, and the old man from the oasis worked his whole life to revive the oasis and had it taken away by Crocodile once again. Those are the kinds of acts that make Luffy become friends with them, and makes him help them in return. And, to be honest, that is something I really agree with in One Piece. And all this, despite being said in a very childish way in the beginning of One Piece (refer to Luffy's convo with Coby, in the very first arc of One Piece), but has been felt throughout the whole story, and, only if you stop to think about it, will you find the maturity of the motto behind the childishness.

Tl;dr : Anything can be has childish or as mature as the reader of the work.
 

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honestly I am very interested in how Luffy feels towards the WG since a certain incident at MF

I would have liked to hear a bit more about that entire incident, maybe a discussion with the rest of the crew, I know it wouldn't exactly fit Luffy's character to talk all that much but I would very much like to see that
 

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honestly I am very interested in how Luffy feels towards the WG since a certain incident at MF

I would have liked to hear a bit more about that entire incident, maybe a discussion with the rest of the crew, I know it wouldn't exactly fit Luffy's character to talk all that much but I would very much like to see that

I'm not sure what your talking about, but I feel the same way. It's not that I want them to declare an open war at this point, they just got solo'd there is no way they can fight WG head on but I want the SH to talk about their options.

It's weird to me that the mangaka introduced heavy topics in his story such as slavery, discrimination, corruption ect. And not have the main characters react on the matters for 400 episodes :erm: If Luffy/other crew members are not the talking type than we should atleast hear their internal dialogue IMO.

@ Frikid, lol what have they done so far that would make them pirates insted of heroes? Nami was the only pirate and even she stopped being one after a while. SH are the heroes of this story that much is obvious.
 

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I'm not sure what your talking about, but I feel the same way. It's not that I want them to declare an open war at this point, they just got solo'd there is no way they can fight WG head on but I want the SH to talk about their options.

It's weird to me that the mangaka introduced heavy topics in his story such as slavery, discrimination, corruption ect. And not have the main characters react on the matters for 400 episodes :erm: If Luffy/other crew members are not the talking type than we should atleast hear their internal dialogue IMO.

@ Frikid, lol what have they done so far that would make them pirates insted of heroes? Nami was the only pirate and even she stopped being one after a while. SH are the heroes of this story that much is obvious.

actually that's not what I meant, you'll see once you watch MF arc

I actually don't find it weird at all that the SHs don't talk about corruption that much, I mean they are disgusted by it (that's seen throughout the arcs) but what's the point of Oda forcing a conversation they can't yet do anything about? ... yet

that will have to wait, it was never their goal to battle corruption, their goals are clear and the government has nothing to do with them (well not at the core), but through the course of achieving those dreams the gradually learn about the truth and the real history is most likely inscribed at Raftel, the big story of that history and the government has so far only had few little moments in the manga (WB's speech for example, you will see it once you reach MF), the other such instances are for example even Alabasta with the rebellion and it's ties to the WG, the structure of the WG is slowly being explained, the world powers are moving and at the moment the biggest opposition to the WG is Luffy's father

WB's speech:
it does not spoil what happens, it's only the speech Edward Newgate gives, read at your own risk!!

''it's not you, the man Roger is waiting for is definitely not you. There are those who inherited Roger's will. And one day someone will appear who will inherit ???????'s will. As long as that bloodline survives their flames will never die. That will has been passed down from long ago. And in the future ... someday, a man will appear bearing the weight of centuries of history on hi shoulders, to challenge the world. Sengoku, your world government is afraid. Afraid of the coming war that will engulf the world! When someone finds that treasure the world will be shaken to it's core! And somebody will find it, that day will come!''

so yes, you can see, what you want is gonna happen in the story, we are slowly getting there, the theme from your question is going to be the very finale of One Piece

that would be the the answer to the question of why don't the SHs discuss those kind of matter by the time of Sabaody
 
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Luffy does not oppose the World Government. He only acts against them when he is involved.
He does not care for the political issues of countries and will only take action
when he himself or a nakama is involved.
The opposition in this Manga are the Revolutionaries and not the Straw Hat Crew.
But near the end of the series when the Crew finds out about the "Void Century"
and all the hidden secrets about the WG
I can see that Luffy will turn from his neutral state to an opposing one.

EDIT: Well Lili-chwan made it very detailed. Pretty much what she said.
 
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Luffy does not oppose the World Government. He only acts against them when he is involved.
He does not care for the political issues of countries and will only take action
when he himself or a nakama is involved.
The opposition in this Manga are the Revolutionaries and not the Straw Hat Crew.
But near the end of the series when the Crew finds out about the "Void Century"
and all the hidden secrets about the WG
I can see that Luffy will turn from his neutral state to an opposing one.

EDIT: Well Lili-chwan made it very detailed. Pretty much what she said.

Thanks for noticing, thought I had wasted my typing, no one commented :(
 

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Saboady is my favorite arc in One Piece for several reasons.
First off we have the Supernova being introduced, then we have introduction as the corrupt f*cking nobles, Borsalino appearance, introduction of pirate kings first mate and the SHs getting split up by Kuma.
About your issue of them not taking too much involvement with the issues of the WG being corrupt, this is what defines the SHs from Dragons army. Dragons bounty is so high because he does exactly what the SHs don't. He directly f*cks with the WG whereas the SHs just occasionally kinda get involved. The only serious events where they f*cked with the WG was Enies Lobby and ID (and that's just Luffy).
 

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Thanks for noticing, thought I had wasted my typing, no one commented :(

nah you didn't waste anything, I read it and agreed, so I didn't reply because I had nothing to add ;)
 

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The Strawhats do not give a shit about addressing issues, they do stuff on a whim and they don't let anybody stand in their way, they simply do what they feel is right, no questions asked.
 
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