Jubidara Vs Rinnegan Sasuke (CQC)

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Scenario 2: Madara has access to Limbo, Sasuke has access to shadow clones

I've seen a lot of places mention that Jubidara would have the upper hand in a CQC exchange with Sasuke. Madara might have superior speed/reactions but aren't Sasuke's speed/reations in the same rough ballpark? How does he not get carved by Kenjutsu?
 

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Lmao. I'm gonna assume this is Adult Sasuke since Teen Sasuke gets neg diffed and go ahead and say that Madara wins Scenario 1 and shit stomps Scenario 2.

If Sasuke really does equal Naruto in speed then Madara would win because of his durability, regeneration, stamina and the fact that his staff is a far better weapon than Sasuke's sword and if they were to clash Sasuke's sword would be destroyed leaving him weaponless. If Sasuke doesn't equal Naruto in speed (I say this because Kishimoto had no involvement with the choreography of the Momoshiki fight. He let the animation studio handle that) then he gets stomped obviously.

Scenario 2 is a stomp regardless. Limbo>>>Shadow Clones. Limbo don't poof with one hit. Shadow Clones do. Sasuke can't even hurt Limbo w/o Ninjutsu so that alone is why he gets raped.
 
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Lmao. I'm gonna assume this is Adult Sasuke since Teen Sasuke gets neg diffed and go ahead and say that Madara wins Scenario 1 and shit stomps Scenario 2.

If Sasuke really does equal Naruto in speed then Madara would win because of his durability, regeneration, stamina and the fact that his staff is a far better weapon than Sasuke's sword and if they were to clash Sasuke's sword would be destroyed leaving him weaponless. If Sasuke doesn't equal Naruto in speed (I say this because Kishimoto had no involvement with the choreography of the Momoshiki fight. He let the animation studio handle that) then he gets stomped obviously.

Scenario 2 is a stomp regardless. Limbo>>>Shadow Clones. Limbo don't poof with one hit. Shadow Clones do. Sasuke can't even hurt Limbo w/o Ninjutsu so that alone is why he gets raped.
I know Sasuke can't kill him under these circumstances, I'm interested in how they compare. Like how the would hang with each other in an exchange. (Even if Madara ultimately can't be killed here). So lets say the fight is judged by an observer.

Couldn't Sasuke just make a Chidori saber? ( since its a CQC technique). And wouldn't Sasuke have passive usage of some form of Senjutsu? Since the saber canonically harmed Madara and is made of purely of Sasukes chakra it shouldn't be erased after contact with the staff
 

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I know Sasuke can't kill him under these circumstances, I'm interested in how they compare. Like how the would hang with each other in an exchange. (Even if Madara ultimately can't be killed here). So lets say the fight is judged by an observer.

Couldn't Sasuke just make a Chidori saber? ( since its a CQC technique). And wouldn't Sasuke have passive usage of some form of Senjutsu? Since the saber canonically harmed Madara and is made of purely of Sasukes chakra it shouldn't be erased after contact with the staff
Key word: harmed, madara wasn't harmed once in that fight which is what people don't understand, he can regenerate almost any attack even night guy didnt kill him pre shinju absorption. Nothing you do to his physical body will harm him thats why sasuke cut him in half because madara didnt care to dodge not taking speed away from sasuke but its painful obvious madara saw it coming and didnt try to dodge at all.
Also, madara can fly, that ruins sasuke's ability to pre cog a lot of attacks since he has to keep up with tracking madara like he did JJ obito and madara is just leagues above JJ obito in skill. Sasuke's only move to help him is amen, without it madara kills him in under 30 seconds guarantee

If you judged this like a boxing match sasuke would lose every round 10-3 at best he cant touch madara especially with the superior limbo clones
 

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I know Sasuke can't kill him under these circumstances, I'm interested in how they compare. Like how the would hang with each other in an exchange. (Even if Madara ultimately can't be killed here). So lets say the fight is judged by an observer.

Couldn't Sasuke just make a Chidori saber? ( since its a CQC technique). And wouldn't Sasuke have passive usage of some form of Senjutsu? Since the saber canonically harmed Madara and is made of purely of Sasukes chakra it shouldn't be erased after contact with the staff
If you allow him Chidori then sure he can, but he still loses regardless. The battle itself will be pretty even if Sasuke can match Naruto, but Madara would take less damage from Sasuke's hits because Madara is superior to Sasuke in durability.
 

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Scenario 1 Madara takes this, Sasuke has no way to put him down in taijutsu, not even Yagai could.
Scenario 2, Madara shits, Limbo kicked back all 9 Bijuu.
 

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I'd consider Sasuke to be superior in CBC but Madara still wins

He has his Limbo's which are superior to shadow clones and JJ gives him better physical perks.
 

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Lmao. I'm gonna assume this is Adult Sasuke since Teen Sasuke gets neg diffed and go ahead and say that Madara wins Scenario 1 and shit stomps Scenario 2.

If Sasuke really does equal Naruto in speed then Madara would win because of his durability, regeneration, stamina and the fact that his staff is a far better weapon than Sasuke's sword and if they were to clash Sasuke's sword would be destroyed leaving him weaponless. If Sasuke doesn't equal Naruto in speed (I say this because Kishimoto had no involvement with the choreography of the Momoshiki fight. He let the animation studio handle that) then he gets stomped obviously.

Scenario 2 is a stomp regardless. Limbo>>>Shadow Clones. Limbo don't poof with one hit. Shadow Clones do. Sasuke can't even hurt Limbo w/o Ninjutsu so that alone is why he gets raped.
Didn't Teen Naruto stalemate Madara and CQC? Limbo's >>>> Shadow clones? Based on? Nothing they fail to beat shadow clones in canon plus limbo last for about 5 seconds.


Teen Sasuke stalemates or lose due to Madara durability

The Last Sasuke wrecks

Adult Sasuke no diffs.
 

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Didn't Teen Naruto stalemate Madara and CQC? Limbo's >>>> Shadow clones? Based on? Nothing they fail to beat shadow clones in canon plus limbo last for about 5 seconds.


Teen Sasuke stalemates or lose due to Madara durability

The Last Sasuke wrecks

Adult Sasuke no diffs.
And Adult Sasuke matches a Naruto who didn't train for 13 years. Your point? Not to mention Naruto never stalemated Madara in Taijutsu. His clones were using Rasengan and all that shit against Madara's Limbo.

Teen Sasuke gets raped with zero difficulty.

The Last Sasuke gets shitted on too.

Adult Sasuke loses with mid-high difficulty.
 

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And Adult Sasuke matches a Naruto who didn't train for 13 years. Your point? Not to mention Naruto never stalemated Madara in Taijutsu. His clones were using Rasengan and all that shit against Madara's Limbo.

Teen Sasuke gets raped with zero difficulty.

The Last Sasuke gets shitted on too.

Adult Sasuke loses with mid-high difficulty.
still a Stalemate 1 clone using Rasengan does not mean nothing when they we're other clones not using it. Scans shows them countering each other attacks effortlessly implying their equal with or without rasengan.

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raped with zero diff lol cause RSM naruto would rape Rinnegan Sasuke with 0 diff in taijutsu smh!

13 years of not training stop it said Naruto was rusty not that he did not train at all lol.

Your point is still faulty because Adult Sasuke is 13 years better than his Last counter part who is better than his teen self Naruto cqc at that time was no where near that much above Sasuke's
 

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still a Stalemate 1 clone using Rasengan does not mean nothing when they we're other clones not using it. Scans shows them countering each other attacks effortlessly implying their equal with or without rasengan.

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raped with zero diff lol cause RSM naruto would rape Rinnegan Sasuke with 0 diff in taijutsu smh!

13 years of not training stop it said Naruto was rusty not that he did not train at all lol.

Your point is still faulty because Adult Sasuke is 13 years better than his Last counter part who is better than his teen self Naruto cqc at that time was no where near that much above Sasuke's
Yes. RSM Naruto would destroy any version of Sasuke that isn't Adult Sasuke in Taijutsu with little difficulty. Better reflexes, more durable, stronger, faster and equal in skill. I can go on about how Sasuke has no advantages in a Taijutsu fight with Naruto. :lol You keep talking about The Last Sasuke but I've yet to see you post anything relating to his powers that helps your point.

Regardless, Naruto is rusty and his actual skills are inferior to what they were in The Last and in the Manga. That is the main point. Matching Adult Naruto isn't proof he stomps Madara. Makes zero sense. And no, my point is not faulty. Adult Sasuke being better than someone who Naruto would obliterate in hand to hand doesn't put him far above Naruto and Madara's level.
 

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Yes. RSM Naruto would destroy any version of Sasuke that isn't Adult Sasuke in Taijutsu with little difficulty. Better reflexes, more durable, stronger, faster and equal in skill.
Having more durability means nothing just harder to put down. Better reflexes nope If Kaguya would have reached for Naruto first he would have been caught to looking how surprised he was.

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Naruto physical strength is a non factor as he's not able to toss Sasuke way with his punches. Faster lol no the only time he's been faster than Sasuke is with his shun-shin they have equal striking speed.

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Regardless, Naruto is rusty and his actual skills are inferior to what they were in The Last and in the Manga. That is the main point. Matching Adult Naruto isn't proof he stomps Madara. Makes zero sense. And no, my point is not faulty. Adult Sasuke being better than someone who Naruto would obliterate in hand to hand doesn't put him far above Naruto and Madara's level.
Stop his fight against Momo they're we're clearly moving at a much faster pace then the Toneri fight thats obvious as hell Kinshiki alone was much faster than Toneri so your wrong as phuck. Yes it is Because Adult Naruto Babyshakes his teenage self.
 

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Having more durability means nothing just harder to put down. Better reflexes nope If Kaguya would have reached for Naruto first he would have been caught to looking how surprised he was.

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Based on nothing at all. Kaguya and Zetsu saw Naruto and Sasuke's speed yet they only complimented Naruto. Naruto's reflexive feats take a dump on anything Sasuke has ever done. Pre power up Sasuke was only able to match BSM Naruto while using Naruto's cloak. Give them both a half of Hagoromo's powers and the difference remains the same.

Naruto has the feats and the hype for his speed. Sasuke literally has nothing that puts him on par with Naruto. Literally nothing. The fact you posted this nonsense as some kind of substitute for a real feat tells the whole story.

Naruto physical strength is a non factor as he's not able to toss Sasuke way with his punches. Faster lol no the only time he's been faster than Sasuke is with his shun-shin they have equal striking speed.

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Lmao not being able to toss someone away with their punches doesn't matter when the objective is to do damage, and Sasuke isn't blocking or taking hits from RSM Naruto and surviving, and equal striking speed is irrelevant when Naruto's reflexes are superior to Sasuke's.




Stop his fight against Momo they're we're clearly moving at a much faster pace then the Toneri fight thats obvious as hell Kinshiki alone was much faster than Toneri so your wrong as phuck. Yes it is Because Adult Naruto Babyshakes his teenage self.
Who cares about The Last? Naruto used BSM in The Last. He used RSM in Boruto. Terrible comparison as usual. Adult Naruto doesn't babyshake shit.
 

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Based on nothing at all. Kaguya and Zetsu saw Naruto and Sasuke's speed yet they only complimented Naruto. Naruto's reflexive feats take a dump on anything Sasuke has ever done. Pre power up Sasuke was only able to match BSM Naruto while using Naruto's cloak. Give them both a half of Hagoromo's powers and the difference remains the same.
They only complimented on Naruto's because he dodged and the only reason he dodged is because he knew it was coming unlike Sasuke if that was Sasuke he saw Naruto get grabbed his guard would have been up against the same tactic like Naruto's was. When she reached for them at the same time Naruto and Sasuke both was caught with equal reaction to the attack better reflexes these nuts lol. Half of Hagoromo's chakra means jackshit when Naruto standard Rasengan started obliterating Asteroids then we talk. Also the same implies Naruto only in BSM speed with Kurama's would have been matched by Sasuke ps speed the only reason the cloak was relevant because he was using v3.


Naruto has the feats and the hype for his speed. Sasuke literally has nothing that puts him on par with Naruto. Literally nothing. The fact you posted this nonsense as some kind of substitute for a real feat tells the whole story.
Naruto has no hype stop crying kid. Sasuke feats match up with Naruto's evenly so your have no point lol. The fact all you can do is complain about it without backing it up with actual feats shows how lackluster in salty you is.

Lmao not being able to toss someone away with their punches doesn't matter when the objective is to do damage, and Sasuke isn't blocking or taking hits from RSM Naruto and surviving, and equal striking speed is irrelevant when Naruto's reflexes are superior to Sasuke's.
He's not doing damage because skill wise Sasuke has a big gap Naruto thus equaling out the strength. Sasuke can't block or anything? Lol so why in their Avatar forms which does not slow them down they we're throwing blows evenly? Already proved my point on the reflexes.

Who cares about The Last? Naruto used BSM in The Last. He used RSM in Boruto. Terrible comparison as usual. Adult Naruto doesn't babyshake shit.
Becuase BSM can fly and use touch Gudu damas get out of town lol. He also had full Kurama which is more evidence that he was overall stronger than he was from VOTE2 .
 

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They only complimented on Naruto's because he dodged and the only reason he dodged is because he knew it was coming unlike Sasuke if that was Sasuke he saw Naruto get grabbed his guard would have been up against the same tactic like Naruto's was. When she reached for them at the same time Naruto and Sasuke both was caught with equal reaction to the attack better reflexes these nuts lol. Half of Hagoromo's chakra means jackshit when Naruto standard Rasengan started obliterating Asteroids then we talk. Also the same implies Naruto only in BSM speed with Kurama's would have been matched by Sasuke ps speed the only reason the cloak was relevant because he was using v3.
That's irrelevant. The point is they've seen both their speeds on multiple occasions and only Naruto's speed was good enough to garner a compliment from them. That's a fact. And now them turning around at the same time means that they are equal in speed? Lmao you're gonna have to do better than this if you want to prove your point. I can get you scans of Kakashi and KCM Minato doing something at the same time as well, does that mean that they are equal in reaction speed? No, it doesn't.

And wtf does the bold even mean? How hard is it for you to form coherent sentences? Naruto was far faster than Sasuke in terms of reflexes before the power up thus it'll be the same when you give them both an equal power up. Either that or you argue that Naruto's speed boost is bigger because he has a form of Sage Mode while Sasuke doesn't. Whichever one floats your boat son. :lol The Last Sasuke and The Last Naruto are irrelevant. Manga Naruto and Manga Sasuke's Chidori have already been shown to be equal.

And the underlined makes no sense. Sasuke wasn't using "just V3", he was using a V3 dramatically superior to the V3 he can manifest on his own. Sasuke w/ a cloak matched Naruto's reaction speed, thus Sasuke w/o a cloak is inferior. Using Perfect Susanoo doesn't increase his own personal reaction speed so why are you mentioning it here? :lol

Naruto has no hype stop crying kid. Sasuke feats match up with Naruto's evenly so your have no point lol. The fact all you can do is complain about it without backing it up with actual feats shows how lackluster in salty you is.
Who's crying? Lmao. Everything I've stated is supported by the Manga. As usual all you can do is bitch when I don't agree with your BS instead of actually proving me wrong.

-Sasuke has no feats that match up to Naruto's. None whatsoever. That's why you haven't posted them yet.
-Naruto's reflexes are hyped in the databook, stated to be equal or greater than that of Madara's. Where are Sasuke's feats and hype that support him being on par with Naruto? Lmao. Oh wait, they don't exist.
-Sasuke needed a distraction + a fireball to tag Naruto w/ Ameno and even then Naruto was able to partially react to the attack. Yet somehow Sasuke is just as fast as Naruto. :lol You kids man.

He's not doing damage because skill wise Sasuke has a big gap Naruto thus equaling out the strength. Sasuke can't block or anything? Lol so why in their Avatar forms which does not slow them down they we're throwing blows evenly? Already proved my point on the reflexes.
No he doesn't. Lmao. They both have 3.5s in Taijutsu. You'd know this if you actually read the source material instead of making shit up and thinking you'll get away with it. "Big skill gap" lmao in what universe?

And how does PS and Kurama being able to trade blows evenly mean that Sasuke can block Naruto's strikes and not take any damage? Oh wait, it doesn't. As usual what you are saying is incoherent and makes no sense. Their Avatars are equal in movement speed and physical strength which is why they can trade blows equally. Naruto himself is superior to Sasuke in speed and he's far stronger, thus they will not trade blows evenly.

Becuase BSM can fly and use touch Gudu damas get out of town lol. He also had full Kurama which is more evidence that he was overall stronger than he was from VOTE2 .
Naruto never touched a Gudo Dama in that mode. :lol Having Full Kurama isn't evidence of anything. BSM and RSM are not on the same tier when it comes to power. A Full Kurama BSM isn't shit compared to Half Kurama RSM. Naruto used BSM. RSM has no pigmentation around the eyes. What he used in The Last does. Fact. Fact and more fact. You need to stop arguing against fact sonny boy cause all you are doing is wasting your time.
 

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Didn't Teen Naruto stalemate Madara and CQC? Limbo's >>>> Shadow clones? Based on? Nothing they fail to beat shadow clones in canon plus limbo last for about 5 seconds.


Teen Sasuke stalemates or lose due to Madara durability

The Last Sasuke wrecks

Adult Sasuke no diffs.
Post full of garbage.

Bold :

- Based on Sasuke own words that physical damage dont work on limbo.

- Normal clone poofs if its hit by regular punch


Tell me exactly :

1. How does Sasuke bypass Jubidara durability , regeneration and way superior chakra pool.

2. Madara showed greater skills in CQC . Ems Sasuke with sword wasnt able to beat blind ,weaponless Madara.

Hagoromo power increased Sasuke speed,reflexes, gave him Rinnegan and all that.

But did all that increase his actual CQC skills. Just because he is faster doesnt mean he is more skilled.

Juubidara reflexes and shunshin speed is in same league as Rinnegan Sasuke.

So what manga feats suggest that Sasuke has superior CQC skills than Madara ?

No version of Sasuke can bypass Juubidara chakra pool and regeneration power .
 
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Madara wins low mid diff scenario 1 and low diffs scenario 2 cuz it wont take limbo some minutes to deal with the kage bunshins and they turn to rape sasuke (btw madaras limbo beat narutos rsm clones offscreen).
Madara is superior in every category, superior in
- speed
- stamina
- physical strength
- durability etc
 
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