JJ Madara with IT Chakra boost

[Tarinth]

Well, we can't really say for sure whether Madara is capable of handling all the chakra of the IT victims.

Lmao. We are SURE that Madara could never absorb that much chakra. He didn't bloat because Kaguya was taking over. He was
bloating because he couldn't handle it. It's because he couldn't handle it that Kaguya could come out. Madara absorbing that chakra
himself without BZ himself would result in Kaguya coming out again. There is no "maybe".

Only a portion of the chakra of the IT victims did that to him, so it's hilarious you're suggesting he could even begin to absorb ALL of the chakra.

You can argue that his PS might be able to handle it, and Madara himself might be able to absorb a TINY amount of it, but really it's a boost that could only help his PS not him.

His PS might be able to absorb an additional Juubi (his Juubi that is) amount of chakra, so it'd be like a double Juubi powered PS as
his full power if I were to guess.

 

[Scryed]

Not really man, if Sasuke could manipulate the Bijuu's chakra and put it in his PS I don't see why Madara can't do the same when it's his own technique that is draining the IT victim's chakra.

Sasuke sealed the Bijuu directly into his PS by using it as a replacement for the Gedo.

Madara would have to seal all the IT victims into his PS. The chakra of the victims alone Is absorbed by the user of the RinneSharingan and then they are free to use that chakra however they like on top of getting an increase in their speed, power, etc. based on how much chakra they have. Madara would still have to absorb that chakra into himself to use it but he can't handle too much extra chakra.

You must remember that sealing and absorbing are two different things.

 

[Jokule67]

JJ Madara can't even handle Weakest form of kaguya chakra

and Madara's control broke because he couldn't handle the volume of chakra

which BZ had made him absorb

so IT victims chakra out of question

Its probably because Kaguya took control of his movements same as when she paralyzed Sasuke and Naruto. Difference being she came OUT of Madara by force and unstable mass of chakra. Its understandable to see him not being able to move. Soon as BZ struck him he was paralyzed too.

 

[Jokule67]

Sasuke sealed the Bijuu directly into his PS by using it as a replacement for the Gedo.

Madara would have to seal all the IT victims into his PS. The chakra of the victims alone Is absorbed by the user of the RinneSharingan and then they are free to use that chakra however they like on top of getting an increase in their speed, power, etc. based on how much chakra they have. Madara would still have to absorb that chakra into himself to use it but he can't handle too much extra chakra.

You must remember that sealing and absorbing are two different things.

It does not seal chakra. The chakra literally comes out of the ground same as how sasuke took the bijuus chakra

 

[VongolaX]

Not enough to reach Kaguya. Madara was bloating because he wasn't able to handle all that chakra.

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

Lmao. We are SURE that Madara could never absorb that much chakra. He didn't bloat because Kaguya was taking over. He was
bloating because he couldn't handle it. It's because he couldn't handle it that Kaguya could come out. Madara absorbing that chakra
himself without BZ himself would result in Kaguya coming out again. There is no "maybe".

Only a portion of the chakra of the IT victims did that to him, so it's hilarious you're suggesting he could even begin to absorb ALL of the chakra.

You can argue that his PS might be able to handle it, and Madara himself might be able to absorb a TINY amount of it, but really it's a boost that could only help his PS not him.

His PS might be able to absorb an additional Juubi (his Juubi that is) amount of chakra, so it'd be like a double Juubi powered PS as
his full power if I were to guess.

Since when did I say Madara can absorb all the chakra into himself?

 

[SatanicGod]

Its hard to answer.

Now I would like to say that we don´t know what exactly BZ did to Madara :

-Madara could not move so that wasn´t regular stab

- Zetsu forcibly made Madara to absorb that chakra .

- Madara should simply explode yet Kaguya took his body so that wasn´t simply absorbation something else was involved.

So real question that we can´t answer is :

If Madara absorbed that chakra on his own would he be able to handle it ?

And his susanoo can handle as much as his size allows it so if we accept that his susanoo have similar size as Sasuke PS than his Susanoo can store same amount of chakra.

Tldr: When a Madara fan can't accept that their fave cannot handle the chakra.

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

Sasuke sealed the Bijuu directly into his PS by using it as a replacement for the Gedo.

Madara would have to seal all the IT victims into his PS. The chakra of the victims alone Is absorbed by the user of the RinneSharingan and then they are free to use that chakra however they like on top of getting an increase in their speed, power, etc. based on how much chakra they have. Madara would still have to absorb that chakra into himself to use it but he can't handle too much extra chakra.

You must remember that sealing and absorbing are two different things.

@Bold that's the same method Madara would use to absorb the chakra into his PS.

Except Kaguya didn't seal the IT chakra she absorbed it. while we don't know what method Kaguya Used to absorb the chakra fact of the matter is Rinnegan users already showed the ability to manipulate chakra (Sasuke and Outer path) so Madara can still absorb the chakra using his PS. Either way since it's Madara's own technique (Shin: Jukai Kōtan) that is absorbing the IT victim's chakra it would be the same as taking in the Shinju if he wanted to directly absorb it.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Lmao. We are SURE that Madara could never absorb that much chakra. He didn't bloat because Kaguya was taking over. He was
bloating because he couldn't handle it. It's because he couldn't handle it that Kaguya could come out. Madara absorbing that chakra
himself without BZ himself would result in Kaguya coming out again. There is no "maybe".

Only a portion of the chakra of the IT victims did that to him, so it's hilarious you're suggesting he could even begin to absorb ALL of the chakra.

You can argue that his PS might be able to handle it, and Madara himself might be able to absorb a TINY amount of it, but really it's a boost that could only help his PS not him.

His PS might be able to absorb an additional Juubi (his Juubi that is) amount of chakra, so it'd be like a double Juubi powered PS as
his full power if I were to guess.

Are you sure you quoted the right person?

 

[Scryed]

@Bold that's the same method Madara would use to absorb the chakra into his PS.

Except Kaguya didn't seal the IT chakra she absorbed it. while we don't know what method Kaguya Used to absorb the chakra fact of the matter is Rinnegan users already showed the ability to manipulate chakra (Sasuke and Outer path) so Madara can still absorb the chakra using his PS. Either way since it's Madara's own technique (Shin: Jukai Kōtan) that is absorbing the IT victim's chakra it would be the same as taking in the Shinju if he wanted to directly absorb it.

Didn't Sasuke seal the Bijuu into his PS though rather than just take their chakra? Problem here is that I imagine you are all saying that Madara will seal all those people into his PS. Madara absorbed the Shinju since it was already a part of his power. Obito was the one who let it out and Madara simply took it back into himself. Those people on the other hand aren't part of the Juubi or Madara so I doubt he can just absorb them.

IT is what allows the RinneSharingan user to absorb chakra from the victims. It's part of the technique or so I understood from the Databook. Kaguya did it from earth and needed to go to the Genesis dimension afterwards since it was connected to all other dimensions including earth. The chakra erupted from the ground when BZ forced that chakra into Madara but it was still the victims' chakra who were connected to those trees that were coming from the ground.

Not to mention, Madara and Sasuke's PS is still their own chakra. Won't they have to be able to handle all that chakra anyways if they were able to add it to their PS anyways? Since sealing a Bijuu into someone would mean they'd have two sources of chakra while absorbing chakra means adding it to your own which would increase your own reserves or capacity. Through IT, Madara was forced to absorb that chakra which caused him to bloat.



Are you guys arguing he can seal those people into his PS? Since absorbing their chakra Into his PS is still increasing his own capacity since it'd be added to his own chakra (PS is his chakra) while sealing the Bijuu into it for example means having seperate sources of chakra that isn't exactly their own.

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

Didn't Sasuke seal the Bijuu into his PS though rather than just take their chakra? Problem here is that I imagine you are all saying that Madara will seal all those people into his PS. Madara absorbed the Shinju since it was already a part of his power. Obito was the one who let it out and Madara simply took it back into himself. Those people on the other hand aren't part of the Juubi or Madara so I doubt he can just absorb them.

@bold No one said he was going to absorb it directly to himself, I was referring to using PS as a vessel.
@Underlined The chakra of Shinju wasn't either it was from the Shinobi Alliance but he was able to take it in, the Bijuu chakra weren't apart of Sasuke yet he was able to absorb it.

IT is what allows the RinneSharingan user to absorb chakra from the victims. It's part of the technique or so I understood from the Databook. Kaguya did it from earth and needed to go to the Genesis dimension afterwards since it was connected to all other dimensions including earth. The chakra erupted from the ground when BZ forced that chakra into Madara but it was still the victims' chakra who were connected to those trees that were coming from the ground.

No, IT is not what allows the chakra absorption, Shin: Jukai Kōtan does. IT placed everyone under genjutsu while the latter absorbs their chakra which works exactly like the Shinju but on a larger scale.

Not to mention, Madara and Sasuke's PS is still their own chakra. Won't they have to be able to handle all that chakra anyways if they were able to add it to their PS anyways? Since sealing a Bijuu into someone would mean they'd have two sources of chakra while absorbing chakra means adding it to your own which would increase your own reserves or capacity. Through IT, Madara was forced to absorb that chakra which caused him to bloat.

Sasuke used his PS as a replacement for the Gedo, he didn't take in the chakra directly he used it like a container which allowed him to use it as if it was his own so in this case it would be the same for Madara.
@Bold Already agreed that Madara himself cannot handle all that chakra if he were to absorb it directly.

Are you guys arguing he can seal those people into his PS? Since absorbing their chakra Into his PS is still increasing his own capacity since it'd be added to his own chakra (PS is his chakra) while sealing the Bijuu into it for example means having seperate sources of chakra that isn't exactly their own.

Addressed.

 

[Scryed]

@bold No one said he was going to absorb it directly to himself, I was referring to using PS as a vessel.
@Underlined The chakra of Shinju wasn't either it was from the Shinobi Alliance but he was able to take it in, the Bijuu chakra weren't apart of Sasuke yet he was able to absorb it.



No, IT is not what allows the chakra absorption, Shin: Jukai Kōtan does. IT placed everyone under genjutsu while the latter absorbs their chakra which works exactly like the Shinju but on a larger scale.


Sasuke used his PS as a replacement for the Gedo, he didn't take in the chakra directly he used it like a container which allowed him to use it as if it was his own so in this case it would be the same for Madara.
@Bold Already agreed that Madara himself cannot handle all that chakra if he were to absorb it directly.



Addressed.

Sasuke didn't absorb but rather sealed the Bijuu into his PS. Madara was able to absorb the Shinjuu just like that because he was the Juubi Jin. The Shinju is a part of the Juubi. Obito let it out during his time as a Jin and Madara simply took it back when he became the Jin. Sealing and Absorbing are two different things.

One could seal something into something else. Sasuke sealing the Bijuu into his PS/Minato sealing Kurama into Naruto/Itachi sealing Orochimaru into Totsuka. Absorbing involves becoming one with something else (adding it to yourself). In this case, Madara was able to absorb the Shinjuu since it was already part of the Juubi (they became one again). Absorbing chakra involves going into the user's body since that's what absorbing is and then they use it however they desire since it's now their chakra.

When Madara absorbed the Shinju, he didn't become "one" with it. It became "one" with the Juubi that was sealed inside him (Kurama still existed as a seperate being inside of Naruto since he was sealed which is why I mentioned two seperate sources of chakra). Being sealed inside of Madara meant that Madara could use the power and chakra of that creature sealed inside him. Sasuke sealing the Bijuu into his PS still allowed him to use the power and chakra of the Bijuu sealed inside his PS (though only his PS since it was used as the vessel for all 9 Bijuu) Regardless, they still exist as seperate beings. Absorbing something involves that something becoming a part of you.

This is why even if a different technique was used to absorb that chakra, that chakra would still go into the user first since that is what absorbing does.



That's why I highly doubt Madara could use the chakra of the IT victims until he absorbs that chakra. That chakra first has to go into himself before he could use it. He has to absorb it if that's what the technique does.





The only thing I'm certain that Madara could do is either release the Juubi (or Bijuu) and seal it into his PS or replenish his chakra constantly after every use by absorbing the chakra of the IT victims.



Sorry for the long response if you read this far.

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

Sasuke didn't absorb but rather sealed the Bijuu into his PS. Madara was able to absorb the Shinjuu just like that because he was the Juubi Jin. The Shinju is a part of the Juubi. Obito let it out during his time as a Jin and Madara simply took it back when he became the Jin. Sealing and Absorbing are two different things.

One could seal something into something else. Sasuke sealing the Bijuu into his PS/Minato sealing Kurama into Naruto/Itachi sealing Orochimaru into Totsuka. Absorbing involves becoming one with something else (adding it to yourself). In this case, Madara was able to absorb the Shinjuu since it was already part of the Juubi (they became one again). Absorbing chakra involves going into the user's body since that's what absorbing is and then they use it however they desire since it's now their chakra.

When Madara absorbed the Shinju, he didn't become "one" with it. It became "one" with the Juubi that was sealed inside him (Kurama still existed as a seperate being inside of Naruto since he was sealed which is why I mentioned two seperate sources of chakra). Being sealed inside of Madara meant that Madara could use the power and chakra of that creature sealed inside him. Sasuke sealing the Bijuu into his PS still allowed him to use the power and chakra of the Bijuu sealed inside his PS (though only his PS since it was used as the vessel for all 9 Bijuu) Regardless, they still exist as seperate beings. Absorbing something involves that something becoming a part of you.

Sealing or Absorbing is terms loosely used here either way Madara is storing the chakra in his PS.
No one said he was going to absorb the chakra into himself.

This is why even if a different technique was used to absorb that chakra, that chakra would still go into the user first since that is what absorbing does.

That's why I highly doubt Madara could use the chakra of the IT victims until he absorbs that chakra. That chakra first has to go into himself before he could use it. He has to absorb it if that's what the technique does.

Again, He doesn't need to absorb anything. He's only storing chakra in his PS.

The only thing I'm certain that Madara could do is either release the Juubi (or Bijuu) and seal it into his PS or replenish his chakra constantly after every use by absorbing the chakra of the IT victims.

@Bold That's more far-fetched then what I'm implying.

Sorry for the long response if you read this far.

Don't apologize, I don't mind.

 

[Scryed]

Sealing or Absorbing is terms loosely used here either way Madara is storing the chakra in his PS.
No one said he was going to absorb the chakra into himself.




Again, He doesn't need to absorb anything. He's only storing chakra in his PS.



@Bold That's more far-fetched then what I'm implying.



Don't apologize, I don't mind.

I'll look up more information about the technique you mentioned. I was under the assumption that the technique involved absorbing chakra since that's all she was shown doing. I'll post another response later.