Jiraiya vs. Itachi

[Bogard]

End of Days it's useless to educate them. Notice how the only one who support the idea Orochimaru > Jiraya are Itachi fanboys. It's only their way to cling on something that doesn't exist. The truth is Jiraya was close to defeat a superior opponent than Itachi himself. Funny how they ignore that

 

[Strict]

Close to defeat a stronger opponent? If Jiraiya faced all six Path's at one, he would be destroyed easily. It's also funny that you ascribe us to use ABC logic when saying Itachi > Jman as Oro > Jman and Itachi > Oro while in the next breath using ABC logic on Jman, Itachi and Pain.

You are so biased. Talking with you is completely useless.

 

[Bogard]

"If Jiraya faced all 6paths of pain" Lol, it's the manga that said Jiraya would have win. The Manga. No matter how you people will try to refuse it, the manga has already spoken. It's that same manga that puts Jiraya above Itachi, no matter how much you want to twist. Funny that every Jiraya hype gets twisted by Itachi fanboys here. Stay mad?

Btw, i didn't even want to use the ABC logic when talking about Pain. The only reason i pointed that out is because you people started that first. I'm only using your logic against you. You're the one trying to say Itachi is stronger than Jiraya because he defeated Orochimaru, so Jiraya is stronger than Itachi because he is on a level of someone above Itachi

 

[Strict]

The Manga never stated Jiraiya's superiority. The Manga only said that Jman could have won, if he learned Pain's secret earlier. But why would Jiraiya have won? Would he suddenly grow stronger and overpower Pain as he knew that the bodies were controlled by someone else? Bullshit. He would have gone for Nagato. The only fact is, that Pain killed Jiraiya without his full power. Chikushodo alone was enough to apply pressure.

Almost defeating a stronger opponent. Lol. Jiraiya himself stated that Itachi is on a whole different level and said that the distance between them would be the only reason Naruto would be safe from Itachi, what means that he admits that not even he could stop Itachi. Itachi > Jiraiya as stated by Jiraiya himself.

 

[Bogard]

Looks like i'll have to repeat myself again

^Selective reading of course Lol. Not to mention it's not what he says in the viz

Jiraiya: How did they get out?...And what are these black flames?

Jiraiya: Humph. If you go now, you'll just be killed...There's too much of a gap between you and them. I mean, it even took me a huge effort just now...To distance them from you.

Naruto: Are you saying that I have to keep running and hiding from them for the rest of my life?! Live each day shivering in fear?!!
Jiraiya: Shut your mouth.

This is exactly what Jiraya said. He says "they" are too strong for Naruto. Notice how he says "for Naruto". That shows even together, he thinks he can handle them if anything.

Jiraya never showed fear against Akatsuki people. If anything it's the contrary. He always thought he couldn't lose to them. The dude even went on his own in his assault against Akatsuki despite knowing nothing about them, despite being in a territorial disadvantage, despite knowing nothing about their leaders

 

[Bronze]

Tsukuyomi one shots low diff.​

 

[Strict]

Why are you using Viz scans? I remember how you by yourself degraded the legitimacy of the statements in the Viz scans and came up with a personal translation which translated a certain statement more literally. You always take the scans which suit you best. Even the Viz isn't always translating literally, that's true, and that was said by yourself as well.

Itachi didn't fear Jiraiya either, he remained completely calm. And as he said, even the strongest heroes have their weakness. I recall that Kisame said it wouldn't be necessary for Itachi to flee. It was revealed that Itachi never invaded Konoha to fight or kill someone. He wanted to look after Sasuke in the first place and covered his attention with the desire to search after Naruto and test his powers. So there was no reason to face Jiraiya and provoke a battle anyway. So your argument of Itachi fearing Jiraiya and thus keeping him away with a woman is completely irrelevant.

 

[Bogard]

Completely calm? After he used Amaterasu, what did he say? What did he do?

1- He said, using Amaterasu took a lot out of him and needed his body to rest
2- He had to deactivate his Sharingan and we talk about someone who rarely does so. That shows the amount of chakra/effort he pulled just to get out of one of Jiraya's basic jutsu

I used viz because it's what made the most sense. Not to mention i didn't want to waste my time to show how the interpretation of your scan was wrong as well. The simple fact he went on his own to assault Akatsuki despite knowing nothing about their territory, powers and leaders shows how little concern Jiraya always had concerning Akatsuki members. We talk about a dude who wanted to end Akatsuki on his own

 

[End of Days]

Itachi didn't fear Jiraiya either, he remained completely calm. And as he said, even the strongest heroes have their weakness.

so you admit that when itachi says this line, he is referring of jiraya?

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[Strict]

That shows the amount of chakra/effort he pulled just to get out of one of Jiraya's basic jutsu

But your Viz scan just stated that it took Jiraiya a huge effort to distance them from Naruto. hmm And that Itachi needed a rest doesn't describe that Itachi was at his limit. He needed a rest, he was tired, but that wasn't his limit, as he was shown to use even more against Sasuke. Why are you assume that Jiraiya would survive three usages of the MS anyway? Jiraiya isn't surviving a combination of Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu.

A fight where Jiraiya will counter all Genjutsu and Amaterasu with the mere usage of clones and avoid of eye contact won't happen, that's just bullshit. It's like saying that Itachi will avoid all of Jiraiya's techniques with Bunshin and avoid Swamp of the Underworld by flowing Chakra into his feet and jump away with Shunshin. It's just the same logic that can be used for Itachi. If Jiraiya counters anything with Bunshin and through avoiding eye contact, Itachi will just counter anything Jiraiya uses by the same method.

 

[Strict]

so you admit that when itachi says this line, he is referring of jiraya?

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But they weren't talking about Jiraiya before, but Naruto. They talked about his power, then they said that it was great to find him at the ramen shop and switched to his babysitter Jiraiya. They never talked about Jiraiya to begin with. It's rather your interpretation. Nothing that is stated.

 

[Inert Brian]

Itachi lied about the whole inferiority thing to scare Kisame.

By that logic:

-Part 1 Kakashi > Kisame

-Jiraiya > Itachi AND Kisame

-Itachi came to the leaf for the 9 tails

 

[LuckyMan]

Why does what the characters think about each other matter in this fight? I see it as just a way to distract people from the real point here and that is that Jman kills Itachi. All fights in the versus colosseum are non-plot and it was just plot that both of them said that about one another because in the databook they were tied with the higest scores so it makes sense they would both call each other strong then be tied with stats.

However..... I have read this whole thread and Jman has the best arguments. Amaterasu seems to be the only thing the Itachi supporters are clinging too after these five pages and Jman certainly counters that easy.

How about everyone stick the jutsu they have to offer and how they utilize them and not plot talk.

 

[Transcendence]

Totsuka blitz gg

 

[Apêx1]

Totsuka blitz gg

Oooohh kill'em.

 

[EKSITE]

"If Jiraya faced all 6paths of pain" Lol, it's the manga that said Jiraya would have win. The Manga. No matter how you people will try to refuse it, the manga has already spoken. It's that same manga that puts Jiraya above Itachi, no matter how much you want to twist. Funny that every Jiraya hype gets twisted by Itachi fanboys here. Stay mad?

Btw, i didn't even want to use the ABC logic when talking about Pain. The only reason i pointed that out is because you people started that first. I'm only using your logic against you. You're the one trying to say Itachi is stronger than Jiraya because he defeated Orochimaru, so Jiraya is stronger than Itachi because he is on a level of someone above Itachi

Did you just say if he faced all six path he would of one he wouldn't get pass Deva lmao

 

[xcoyote]

Yomi Numa GG

 

[Gein]

Based on these:

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Jiraiya was roaming the world for a long while.

 

[Phonas]

Now I'm going to shut this thread down with 3 scans:

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^ The only thing Itachi was afraid of was casting genjutsu on Jiraiya, because if he had done so, The Pervy Sage would've been in a comatose state, which would have given Kisame the opening to kill Jiraiiya with the Samehada.

 

[Haizaki]

Now I'm going to shut this thread down with 3 scans:

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^ The only thing Itachi was afraid of was casting genjutsu on Jiraiya, because if he had done so, The Pervy Sage would've been in a comatose state, which would have given Kisame the opening to kill Jiraiiya with the Samehada.

And what does this prove?

Lmao Itachi put Kakashi in a genjutsu as well so stop